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		<title>By: Arturo Toscanini</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2005/05/14/where-is-the-outrage/#comment-152121</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Arturo Toscanini]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What you call the &quot;torture&quot; that went on in the Iraqi prisons goes on daily on fraternity and sorority houses everywhere in the US under the guise of hazing. Grow up.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What you call the &#8220;torture&#8221; that went on in the Iraqi prisons goes on daily on fraternity and sorority houses everywhere in the US under the guise of hazing. Grow up.</p>
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		<title>By: Minerva</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2005/05/14/where-is-the-outrage/#comment-152122</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Minerva]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So that makes it okay? What?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So that makes it okay? What?</p>
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		<title>By: Arturo Toscanini</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2005/05/14/where-is-the-outrage/#comment-152123</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Arturo Toscanini]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It shows that the &#8220;abuse&#8221; in the Iraqi prison is trivial, and it renders the claim that it is torture sensationalistic to the point of being ridiculous.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It shows that the &ldquo;abuse&rdquo; in the Iraqi prison is trivial, and it renders the claim that it is torture sensationalistic to the point of being ridiculous.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Russell</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2005/05/14/where-is-the-outrage/#comment-152124</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I like to be educated about something before I get outraged about it. Are you referring to the famous abuses of a year ago or current, every day occurrences?

If youâ€™re talking about the prisoner abuse scandal we all know about, I think we were outraged. It got the cover of nearly all the major national magazines. Those involved are in trial and will receive jail time.

If youâ€™re talking about something else, what? All the google searches I do on the subject lead me to that one particular incident. Can you provide us with any sources we can go to to learn more about what exactly is going on?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like to be educated about something before I get outraged about it. Are you referring to the famous abuses of a year ago or current, every day occurrences?</p>
<p>If youâ€™re talking about the prisoner abuse scandal we all know about, I think we were outraged. It got the cover of nearly all the major national magazines. Those involved are in trial and will receive jail time.</p>
<p>If youâ€™re talking about something else, what? All the google searches I do on the subject lead me to that one particular incident. Can you provide us with any sources we can go to to learn more about what exactly is going on?</p>
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		<title>By: a random John</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2005/05/14/where-is-the-outrage/#comment-152125</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[a random John]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If we are outraged, isn&#039;t this post about a year late?

Personally, I&#039;m more concerned with the US government disappearing people to be held secretly in other countries.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If we are outraged, isn&#8217;t this post about a year late?</p>
<p>Personally, I&#8217;m more concerned with the US government disappearing people to be held secretly in other countries.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Stone</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2005/05/14/where-is-the-outrage/#comment-152126</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jonathan Stone]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I, like Eric Russel and most people I talked to about it, was outraged by the Abu Ghraib abuses.  Am am glad that the perpetrators are being punished.  But I also believe that their actions were not representative of how our civilization treats prisoners.  The actions of the military police reservists at Abu Ghraib is even more outrageous because we all recognize it as being alien to our concept of how prisoners should be treated.

I think Thomas Jefferson was speaking not of how a few errant individuals might treat prisoners, but how the whole society does so.  I think the fact that almost all Americans were outraged at what occurred reflects well on our level of civilization, especially when compared to how prisoners (or captured civilians) are treated in the Middle East.  Yet we also have a short attention span; the controversy is months in the past, the perpetrators are being tried and convicted, and the 24-hour news networks have moved on.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I, like Eric Russel and most people I talked to about it, was outraged by the Abu Ghraib abuses.  Am am glad that the perpetrators are being punished.  But I also believe that their actions were not representative of how our civilization treats prisoners.  The actions of the military police reservists at Abu Ghraib is even more outrageous because we all recognize it as being alien to our concept of how prisoners should be treated.</p>
<p>I think Thomas Jefferson was speaking not of how a few errant individuals might treat prisoners, but how the whole society does so.  I think the fact that almost all Americans were outraged at what occurred reflects well on our level of civilization, especially when compared to how prisoners (or captured civilians) are treated in the Middle East.  Yet we also have a short attention span; the controversy is months in the past, the perpetrators are being tried and convicted, and the 24-hour news networks have moved on.</p>
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		<title>By: John H</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2005/05/14/where-is-the-outrage/#comment-152127</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John H]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Grow up.&quot;

I&#039;ve found that anyone who needs to tell someone else to grow up generally is the one that needs to do it themselves. But hey, what else should we expect from AT and his proud, &quot;I can do no wrong; courtesy on blogs be damned since everyone should be uber thick-skinned like me; I get banned from other sites and wear it as a badge of honor,&quot; attitude. I&#039;m sure you&#039;ll be ready with your usual witty retort, AT, and I know I await it anxiously. But in the meantime, if you can&#039;t treat posters with respect, feel free to post elsewhere where your kind are welcome, and even encouraged.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Grow up.&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve found that anyone who needs to tell someone else to grow up generally is the one that needs to do it themselves. But hey, what else should we expect from AT and his proud, &#8220;I can do no wrong; courtesy on blogs be damned since everyone should be uber thick-skinned like me; I get banned from other sites and wear it as a badge of honor,&#8221; attitude. I&#8217;m sure you&#8217;ll be ready with your usual witty retort, AT, and I know I await it anxiously. But in the meantime, if you can&#8217;t treat posters with respect, feel free to post elsewhere where your kind are welcome, and even encouraged.</p>
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		<title>By: John H</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2005/05/14/where-is-the-outrage/#comment-152128</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John H]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is a touchy subject, but I&#039;m glad you brought it up, Laurie. Since this is a Mormon blog, my own feelings tend to stem from my concern about religion&#039;s influence in this area. I definitely think outrage is warranted.

I&#039;m concerned that many (but certainly not all) people of faith have a narrow definition of morality. In other words, deaths in Iraq aren&#039;t a moral issue but the death of a single woman in Florida is. Torture, or outsourcing it to Uzbekistan, doesn&#039;t create outrage, but stem cells do. Gay marriage, we&#039;re told, will lead to the destruction of society, but we turn a blind eye to AIDS in Africa.

Even though I don&#039;t agree with the Pope on a lot of issues, I admire the consistency that is admittedly lacking in my own beliefs. He preaches a true culture of life, unlike a lot of religious people in our own society: No abortion, no death penalty, no war, etc.

I don&#039;t mind that people value some moral issues over others - that&#039;s only natural and I&#039;m as guilty as the next guy. What troubles me is the ability of some to portray their issues as the only moral issues. If you pitch a fit about gay marriage, at least acknowledge that you&#039;re picking and choosing your moral outrages and that there are others worthy of attention.

I&#039;m not trying to fan the flames of an already heated debate. I can see Steve in the corner twitching nervously :) I promise to do my best to play nice.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a touchy subject, but I&#8217;m glad you brought it up, Laurie. Since this is a Mormon blog, my own feelings tend to stem from my concern about religion&#8217;s influence in this area. I definitely think outrage is warranted.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m concerned that many (but certainly not all) people of faith have a narrow definition of morality. In other words, deaths in Iraq aren&#8217;t a moral issue but the death of a single woman in Florida is. Torture, or outsourcing it to Uzbekistan, doesn&#8217;t create outrage, but stem cells do. Gay marriage, we&#8217;re told, will lead to the destruction of society, but we turn a blind eye to AIDS in Africa.</p>
<p>Even though I don&#8217;t agree with the Pope on a lot of issues, I admire the consistency that is admittedly lacking in my own beliefs. He preaches a true culture of life, unlike a lot of religious people in our own society: No abortion, no death penalty, no war, etc.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t mind that people value some moral issues over others &#8211; that&#8217;s only natural and I&#8217;m as guilty as the next guy. What troubles me is the ability of some to portray their issues as the only moral issues. If you pitch a fit about gay marriage, at least acknowledge that you&#8217;re picking and choosing your moral outrages and that there are others worthy of attention.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not trying to fan the flames of an already heated debate. I can see Steve in the corner twitching nervously :) I promise to do my best to play nice.</p>
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		<title>By: Arturo Toscanini</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2005/05/14/where-is-the-outrage/#comment-152129</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Arturo Toscanini]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;John H:&lt;/b&gt; &lt;i&gt;But hey, what else should we expect from AT and his proud, &#8220;I can do no wrong; courtesy on blogs be damned since everyone should be uber thick-skinned like me; I get banned from other sites and wear it as a badge of honor,&#8221; attitude.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I&#8217;m confused. What&#8217;s the point in making fun of me if you already know it won&#8217;t hurt my feelings?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;John H:&lt;/b&gt; &lt;i&gt;I&#8217;m sure you&#8217;ll be ready with your usual witty retort, AT&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;What? And steel the spotlight from you? You&#8217;re on a roll, John! Who am I to stand in your way?&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>John H:</b> <i>But hey, what else should we expect from AT and his proud, &ldquo;I can do no wrong; courtesy on blogs be damned since everyone should be uber thick-skinned like me; I get banned from other sites and wear it as a badge of honor,&rdquo; attitude.</i></p>
<p>I&rsquo;m confused. What&rsquo;s the point in making fun of me if you already know it won&rsquo;t hurt my feelings?</p>
<p><b>John H:</b> <i>I&rsquo;m sure you&rsquo;ll be ready with your usual witty retort, AT</i></p>
<p>What? And steel the spotlight from you? You&rsquo;re on a roll, John! Who am I to stand in your way?</p>
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		<title>By: Laurie DiPadova-Stocks</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2005/05/14/where-is-the-outrage/#comment-152130</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Laurie DiPadova-Stocks]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jonathan, the perpetrators are being punished??  Prisoner abuse is an ongoing pattern in several places--not only Iraqi prisons, and it is by no means an isolated incident. The more current evidence is yet to be made public, but from reports, it is more of the same. And while we may have a few scapegoats, the real perpetrators are those officials who framed the permissive policy exempting the &quot;detainees&quot; from the Geneva Conventions.  These real perpetrators are by no means being held accountable by the U.S. government.

Multiple issues are being raised in tonight&#039;s responses, and these merit thoughtful consideration--especially by Mormons, it seems to me. What I mean by this is that we have a responsibility not to avoid debating (even if heated) the critical issues of our times, and how to embrace the task of framing a Christian response.

Of course, on this (as with other issues), reasonable people can differ.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jonathan, the perpetrators are being punished??  Prisoner abuse is an ongoing pattern in several places&#8211;not only Iraqi prisons, and it is by no means an isolated incident. The more current evidence is yet to be made public, but from reports, it is more of the same. And while we may have a few scapegoats, the real perpetrators are those officials who framed the permissive policy exempting the &#8220;detainees&#8221; from the Geneva Conventions.  These real perpetrators are by no means being held accountable by the U.S. government.</p>
<p>Multiple issues are being raised in tonight&#8217;s responses, and these merit thoughtful consideration&#8211;especially by Mormons, it seems to me. What I mean by this is that we have a responsibility not to avoid debating (even if heated) the critical issues of our times, and how to embrace the task of framing a Christian response.</p>
<p>Of course, on this (as with other issues), reasonable people can differ.</p>
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