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		<title>By: a random John</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2005/06/23/getting-married-later-is-better/#comment-60853</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Quick!  Someone have Frank break out the statistics on divorce and age at which you marry!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quick!  Someone have Frank break out the statistics on divorce and age at which you marry!</p>
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		<title>By: quinn mccoy</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2005/06/23/getting-married-later-is-better/#comment-60854</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[you make a good point, however, you only mention 2 problems with early marriages: divorce and lack of world knowlegde.  i dont think that that is solid evidence since plenty of people that get married later on in life get divorced.  also, even when people are older that doesnt mean that theyre gonna have any more world experience.  i did get married at 25 and my wife at 27, so i am for it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you make a good point, however, you only mention 2 problems with early marriages: divorce and lack of world knowlegde.  i dont think that that is solid evidence since plenty of people that get married later on in life get divorced.  also, even when people are older that doesnt mean that theyre gonna have any more world experience.  i did get married at 25 and my wife at 27, so i am for it.</p>
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		<title>By: RoastedTomatoes</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2005/06/23/getting-married-later-is-better/#comment-60855</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The definitions of &quot;early&quot; and &quot;late&quot; in marriage vary by cultural context, of course.  When my wife and I got married, we were both 23.  In Utah, that would probably have counted as marrying reasonably late (!).  In the San Francisco area where we live, however, (non-Mormon) people acted as if we were far too young to even consider being married.  We were even told that we should really just live together for a while, maybe a decade, first and make sure we&#039;re right for each other!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The definitions of &#8220;early&#8221; and &#8220;late&#8221; in marriage vary by cultural context, of course.  When my wife and I got married, we were both 23.  In Utah, that would probably have counted as marrying reasonably late (!).  In the San Francisco area where we live, however, (non-Mormon) people acted as if we were far too young to even consider being married.  We were even told that we should really just live together for a while, maybe a decade, first and make sure we&#8217;re right for each other!</p>
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		<title>By: maria</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2005/06/23/getting-married-later-is-better/#comment-60856</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My father is a psychologist/marriage therapist in UT, and, according to his experience, the biggest indicator of future divorce for LDS couples is not necessarily age, but how long the couple has known each other before they marry.  His favorite bit of advice:  &quot;I don&#039;t care if an angel tells you that you&#039;re supposed to marry him/her, if you haven&#039;t known your fiance for at least 6 months before marriage, wait until you have--it will only make your marriage better.&quot;

Again, that is just his professional experience. I know that there are plenty of people out there who married after only knowing each other 6 weeks and still have great marriages.  Heck, even a lot of people with arranged marriages end up with great marriages.

But seeing all these LDS couples with marital problems, day in and day out (for about 20 years now), he just feels that the longer you can possibly wait before getting married, so that you learn about all the &quot;nasty little surprises&quot; before you&#039;re eternally wed, the better off you are.  He maintains that all people, no matter who they are, have &quot;nasty little surprises&quot; about their pasts, personalities, extended families, etc., and it&#039;s a whole lot less painful to find out about those things before you get married than after.  And the only way to find out those things is to give it some time, say, like, at least 6 months!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My father is a psychologist/marriage therapist in UT, and, according to his experience, the biggest indicator of future divorce for LDS couples is not necessarily age, but how long the couple has known each other before they marry.  His favorite bit of advice:  &#8220;I don&#8217;t care if an angel tells you that you&#8217;re supposed to marry him/her, if you haven&#8217;t known your fiance for at least 6 months before marriage, wait until you have&#8211;it will only make your marriage better.&#8221;</p>
<p>Again, that is just his professional experience. I know that there are plenty of people out there who married after only knowing each other 6 weeks and still have great marriages.  Heck, even a lot of people with arranged marriages end up with great marriages.</p>
<p>But seeing all these LDS couples with marital problems, day in and day out (for about 20 years now), he just feels that the longer you can possibly wait before getting married, so that you learn about all the &#8220;nasty little surprises&#8221; before you&#8217;re eternally wed, the better off you are.  He maintains that all people, no matter who they are, have &#8220;nasty little surprises&#8221; about their pasts, personalities, extended families, etc., and it&#8217;s a whole lot less painful to find out about those things before you get married than after.  And the only way to find out those things is to give it some time, say, like, at least 6 months!</p>
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		<title>By: maria</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I was just thinking about how ridiculous my father&#039;s little &quot;6 month rule&quot; would seem to anyone who wasn&#039;t LDS.  Six months really isn&#039;t a lot of time, in the eyes of the world.  Yet he has come under attack many times within LDS circles for promoting such &quot;lengthy&quot; engagements.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was just thinking about how ridiculous my father&#8217;s little &#8220;6 month rule&#8221; would seem to anyone who wasn&#8217;t LDS.  Six months really isn&#8217;t a lot of time, in the eyes of the world.  Yet he has come under attack many times within LDS circles for promoting such &#8220;lengthy&#8221; engagements.</p>
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		<title>By: Susan M</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2005/06/23/getting-married-later-is-better/#comment-60858</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Susan M]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My husband and I got married after dating for 6 months. I was 18 and he was 19. We&#039;ve been married 16 years and still going strong.

I look at kids that age now though and can&#039;t believe we did that. What were we thinking?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My husband and I got married after dating for 6 months. I was 18 and he was 19. We&#8217;ve been married 16 years and still going strong.</p>
<p>I look at kids that age now though and can&#8217;t believe we did that. What were we thinking?</p>
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		<title>By: John Mansfield</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2005/06/23/getting-married-later-is-better/#comment-60859</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John Mansfield]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There is an interesting graph &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.isteve.com/04DecA.htm#shotdown&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; here&lt;/a&gt; showing how marriage ages took off after legalization of abortion.  There is also a Brookings Institution &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.brook.edu/comm/policybriefs/pb05.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; brief&lt;/a&gt; with a &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.brook.edu/rios/data/sources/image/558937848919ff3b501830c70a141465.jpg&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;table&lt;/a&gt; connecting abortion with the demise of the shotgun wedding.  Its a very sad story, so many lives and relationships between lovers and their children that would have been at least a bit better.  Less than ideal marriages still do a lot of good for the people in them and the community.

To the degree that the saints have kept themselves aloof from national changes in nonmarital sex and the option of aborting any conceptions produced thereby, the associated national increase in marriage age would not be expected among us.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is an interesting graph <a href="http://www.isteve.com/04DecA.htm#shotdown" rel="nofollow"> here</a> showing how marriage ages took off after legalization of abortion.  There is also a Brookings Institution <a href="http://www.brook.edu/comm/policybriefs/pb05.htm" rel="nofollow"> brief</a> with a <a href="http://www.brook.edu/rios/data/sources/image/558937848919ff3b501830c70a141465.jpg" rel="nofollow">table</a> connecting abortion with the demise of the shotgun wedding.  Its a very sad story, so many lives and relationships between lovers and their children that would have been at least a bit better.  Less than ideal marriages still do a lot of good for the people in them and the community.</p>
<p>To the degree that the saints have kept themselves aloof from national changes in nonmarital sex and the option of aborting any conceptions produced thereby, the associated national increase in marriage age would not be expected among us.</p>
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		<title>By: a random John</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[John Mansfield,

I was told recently that the drop in violent crime that began during the Clinton administration can also be attributed to Roe v Wade.  The idea being that unwanted babies that would be more likely to become criminals were less likely to be born.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John Mansfield,</p>
<p>I was told recently that the drop in violent crime that began during the Clinton administration can also be attributed to Roe v Wade.  The idea being that unwanted babies that would be more likely to become criminals were less likely to be born.</p>
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		<title>By: J. Stapley</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2005/06/23/getting-married-later-is-better/#comment-60861</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[J. Stapley]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I know that this post was pretty week on reasoning and devoid of evidence.  Mostly, it was just to highlight the experiences.

Maria, six months is better than nothing.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know that this post was pretty week on reasoning and devoid of evidence.  Mostly, it was just to highlight the experiences.</p>
<p>Maria, six months is better than nothing.</p>
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		<title>By: Christina</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2005/06/23/getting-married-later-is-better/#comment-60862</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Christina]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Random John, that analysis was put forth by the economist Steven D. Levitt a few years back and I believe also included in his current book, Freakonomics.

But I suggest steering a little away from the abortion red herring.  I would argue that because of the good ways in which our expectations of marriage have changed over the last two generations in the U.S., and not because of abortion or birth control, it is better to know one&#039;s spouse before marrying.  That is, because we now expect not only romantic love in the beginning of courtship but actual partnership and deep friendship (along with romantic/sexual love and compatibility) throughout the entire marriage, absolute fidelity, often equally shared money-earning, child-rearing and housekeeping roles etc. ... a good marriage today is a lot different (and I would say better, at least for what I want out of life) than a good marriage several decades ago.  I call that progress, but it does mean we are pickier and work harder at our marriages now, and if you just marry the first RM who winks your way, you probably have less of an opportunity for that type of highly evolved relationship.

Please don&#039;t misread me - there are so many kinds of marriages in which people can be happy in this world, that I can&#039;t possibly say one must marry older or with a longer courtship or with any courtship at all.  But, in the kind of society we live in today, I do think it is helpful to know who you are marrying and really love your partner for the right reasons. Those who know me know I joke that I should have married my husband after six weeks instead of fighting it for 2+ years.  We both would have been happier, I think! But, I was only 21 when we met, and I&#039;m glad that by the time we married, I KNEW it was the right decision for me.  I would hate to marry and then question that most important of decisions because I didn&#039;t have enough information going into it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Random John, that analysis was put forth by the economist Steven D. Levitt a few years back and I believe also included in his current book, Freakonomics.</p>
<p>But I suggest steering a little away from the abortion red herring.  I would argue that because of the good ways in which our expectations of marriage have changed over the last two generations in the U.S., and not because of abortion or birth control, it is better to know one&#8217;s spouse before marrying.  That is, because we now expect not only romantic love in the beginning of courtship but actual partnership and deep friendship (along with romantic/sexual love and compatibility) throughout the entire marriage, absolute fidelity, often equally shared money-earning, child-rearing and housekeeping roles etc. &#8230; a good marriage today is a lot different (and I would say better, at least for what I want out of life) than a good marriage several decades ago.  I call that progress, but it does mean we are pickier and work harder at our marriages now, and if you just marry the first RM who winks your way, you probably have less of an opportunity for that type of highly evolved relationship.</p>
<p>Please don&#8217;t misread me &#8211; there are so many kinds of marriages in which people can be happy in this world, that I can&#8217;t possibly say one must marry older or with a longer courtship or with any courtship at all.  But, in the kind of society we live in today, I do think it is helpful to know who you are marrying and really love your partner for the right reasons. Those who know me know I joke that I should have married my husband after six weeks instead of fighting it for 2+ years.  We both would have been happier, I think! But, I was only 21 when we met, and I&#8217;m glad that by the time we married, I KNEW it was the right decision for me.  I would hate to marry and then question that most important of decisions because I didn&#8217;t have enough information going into it.</p>
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