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	<title>Comments on: B is for Body Piercing</title>
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		<title>By: Susan M</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2005/09/07/b-is-for-body-piercing/#comment-117762</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Susan M]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think that judging people based on appearances is way too prevalent in the church, and I try to shoot it down whenever I see it happening in front of me. But I have no problem at all with these kinds of instructions from church leaders. Particularly as a mother of teenage children. It&#039;s a *lot* easier to discourage them from the trendy, fashionable practises of getting a tattoo or body piercing when it&#039;s being reinforced by church leaders.

My husband has a tattoo. At one time he had his nose pierced, as well (through the center of his nose--like a bull). He&#039;s a lot more vocal about how stupid tattoos and piercings are than I am.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that judging people based on appearances is way too prevalent in the church, and I try to shoot it down whenever I see it happening in front of me. But I have no problem at all with these kinds of instructions from church leaders. Particularly as a mother of teenage children. It&#8217;s a *lot* easier to discourage them from the trendy, fashionable practises of getting a tattoo or body piercing when it&#8217;s being reinforced by church leaders.</p>
<p>My husband has a tattoo. At one time he had his nose pierced, as well (through the center of his nose&#8211;like a bull). He&#8217;s a lot more vocal about how stupid tattoos and piercings are than I am.</p>
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		<title>By: J. Stapley</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2005/09/07/b-is-for-body-piercing/#comment-117763</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[J. Stapley]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I still think the principle of respecting the body as a stewardship holds up well...it is simply culturally relative.  In a sense, as long as the society in general views a certain piercing as respectful, it is.  I&#039;m a little sketchy on my mosaic law, but even that ultra strict conduct code (even proclaiming dress standards) did not proscribe nose rings.

As far as morality goes, I think obesity is far more questionable and that is obviously not proscribed.  So comparing the two, we see that the cultural trumps.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I still think the principle of respecting the body as a stewardship holds up well&#8230;it is simply culturally relative.  In a sense, as long as the society in general views a certain piercing as respectful, it is.  I&#8217;m a little sketchy on my mosaic law, but even that ultra strict conduct code (even proclaiming dress standards) did not proscribe nose rings.</p>
<p>As far as morality goes, I think obesity is far more questionable and that is obviously not proscribed.  So comparing the two, we see that the cultural trumps.</p>
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		<title>By: Julie in Austin</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2005/09/07/b-is-for-body-piercing/#comment-117764</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Julie in Austin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Another data point, this from a devotional by Elder Bednar:

&quot; Sister Bednar and I are acquainted with a returned missionary who had dated a special young woman for a period of time. This young man cared for the young woman very much, and he was desirous of making his relationship with her more serious. He was considering and hoping for engagement and marriage. Now this relationship was developing during the time that President Hinckley counseled the Relief Society sisters and young women of the Church to wear only one earring in each ear.

The young man waited patiently over a period of time for the young woman to remove her extra earrings, but she did not take them out. This was a valuable piece of information for this young man, and he felt unsettled about her nonresponsiveness to a prophetâ€™s pleading. For this and other reasons, he ultimately stopped dating the young woman, because he was looking for an eternal companion who had the courage to promptly and quietly obey the counsel of the prophet in all things and at all times. The young man was quick to observe that the young woman was not quick to observe.

Now before I continue, I presume that some of you might have difficulty with my last example. In fact, this particular illustration of the young man being quick to observe may even fan the flames of controversy on campus, resulting in letters of disagreement to the Daily Universe! You may believe the young man was too judgmental or that basing an eternally important decision, even in part, upon such a supposedly minor issue is silly or fanatical. Perhaps you are bothered because the example focuses upon a young woman who failed to respond to prophetic counsel instead of upon a young man. I simply invite you to consider and ponder the power of being quick to observe and what was actually observed in the case I just described. The issue was not (italicized in original) earrings! &quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another data point, this from a devotional by Elder Bednar:</p>
<p>&#8221; Sister Bednar and I are acquainted with a returned missionary who had dated a special young woman for a period of time. This young man cared for the young woman very much, and he was desirous of making his relationship with her more serious. He was considering and hoping for engagement and marriage. Now this relationship was developing during the time that President Hinckley counseled the Relief Society sisters and young women of the Church to wear only one earring in each ear.</p>
<p>The young man waited patiently over a period of time for the young woman to remove her extra earrings, but she did not take them out. This was a valuable piece of information for this young man, and he felt unsettled about her nonresponsiveness to a prophetâ€™s pleading. For this and other reasons, he ultimately stopped dating the young woman, because he was looking for an eternal companion who had the courage to promptly and quietly obey the counsel of the prophet in all things and at all times. The young man was quick to observe that the young woman was not quick to observe.</p>
<p>Now before I continue, I presume that some of you might have difficulty with my last example. In fact, this particular illustration of the young man being quick to observe may even fan the flames of controversy on campus, resulting in letters of disagreement to the Daily Universe! You may believe the young man was too judgmental or that basing an eternally important decision, even in part, upon such a supposedly minor issue is silly or fanatical. Perhaps you are bothered because the example focuses upon a young woman who failed to respond to prophetic counsel instead of upon a young man. I simply invite you to consider and ponder the power of being quick to observe and what was actually observed in the case I just described. The issue was not (italicized in original) earrings! &#8220;</p>
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		<title>By: Tess</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2005/09/07/b-is-for-body-piercing/#comment-117765</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve always wanted to get a tattoo.  I think discouraging (prohibiting?) tattoos is so much about cultural norms rather than doctrine, but the Jewish religion apparently takes tattoos seriously. I watched an episode of &quot;Curb Your Enthusiasm&quot; where Larry David&#039;s mother couldn&#039;t be buried in the Jewish cemetary because she had a tattoo. So, it&#039;s not just Mormons.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve always wanted to get a tattoo.  I think discouraging (prohibiting?) tattoos is so much about cultural norms rather than doctrine, but the Jewish religion apparently takes tattoos seriously. I watched an episode of &#8220;Curb Your Enthusiasm&#8221; where Larry David&#8217;s mother couldn&#8217;t be buried in the Jewish cemetary because she had a tattoo. So, it&#8217;s not just Mormons.</p>
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		<title>By: Cyl</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2005/09/07/b-is-for-body-piercing/#comment-117766</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Cyl]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m glad my dh didn&#039;t decline marrying me because I have a tattoo.  I don&#039;t like that example of Elder Bednar&#039;s.

I am happy to counsel my children to avoid the pain and possible infection of tattoos and excessive piercings.  I think the Church &quot;grandmothered&quot; earrings because we are so weird already--why make it worse?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m glad my dh didn&#8217;t decline marrying me because I have a tattoo.  I don&#8217;t like that example of Elder Bednar&#8217;s.</p>
<p>I am happy to counsel my children to avoid the pain and possible infection of tattoos and excessive piercings.  I think the Church &#8220;grandmothered&#8221; earrings because we are so weird already&#8211;why make it worse?</p>
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		<title>By: Ronan</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2005/09/07/b-is-for-body-piercing/#comment-117767</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ronan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[True story, not a hint of melodrama, I swear:

When I first met Rebecca she sported a set of rather cool earrings in her upper ear. It was at a CES satellite broadcast, so I knew she was a good Mormon girl, but the earrings told me that she was well, cooler than the other &quot;nice&quot; girls. So we chatted.

A year later we were married in the Preston temple.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>True story, not a hint of melodrama, I swear:</p>
<p>When I first met Rebecca she sported a set of rather cool earrings in her upper ear. It was at a CES satellite broadcast, so I knew she was a good Mormon girl, but the earrings told me that she was well, cooler than the other &#8220;nice&#8221; girls. So we chatted.</p>
<p>A year later we were married in the Preston temple.</p>
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		<title>By: Ronan</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2005/09/07/b-is-for-body-piercing/#comment-117768</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ronan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oh yeah, and she has a tiny, cute tattoo of a daisy on her shoulder blade. But that was after we met.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh yeah, and she has a tiny, cute tattoo of a daisy on her shoulder blade. But that was after we met.</p>
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		<title>By: John Mansfield</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2005/09/07/b-is-for-body-piercing/#comment-117769</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John Mansfield]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[At least within the Church, those who feel a need to be a bit shocking still have tattoos and piercing available.  You have to feel a little sorry for the John Waters types of the world who have to keep reaching farther into the absurd as  past deviances become normalized.  Sometimes it can be unkind not to at least pretend something disturbs us.  Forty years ago Mrs. Howell could present the Skipper with a gold earring and it was a funny little joke.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At least within the Church, those who feel a need to be a bit shocking still have tattoos and piercing available.  You have to feel a little sorry for the John Waters types of the world who have to keep reaching farther into the absurd as  past deviances become normalized.  Sometimes it can be unkind not to at least pretend something disturbs us.  Forty years ago Mrs. Howell could present the Skipper with a gold earring and it was a funny little joke.</p>
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		<title>By: devilsadvocate</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2005/09/07/b-is-for-body-piercing/#comment-117770</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[what about breast implants? There seems to be an epidemic of stacked proportion amongst our &#039;peculiar&#039; religion! Seems like there&#039;s a new set every week, along with the new family in the ward.

I am not trying to be sarcastic, rude or offensive. This is something that I really wonder about. Is it ok to do something that is clearly going to attract more carnal, sexual attention? Seems so much worse than a few more holes in the ears.

Would love to hear your thoughts.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>what about breast implants? There seems to be an epidemic of stacked proportion amongst our &#8216;peculiar&#8217; religion! Seems like there&#8217;s a new set every week, along with the new family in the ward.</p>
<p>I am not trying to be sarcastic, rude or offensive. This is something that I really wonder about. Is it ok to do something that is clearly going to attract more carnal, sexual attention? Seems so much worse than a few more holes in the ears.</p>
<p>Would love to hear your thoughts.</p>
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		<title>By: Rusty</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2005/09/07/b-is-for-body-piercing/#comment-117771</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rusty]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Advocate of the Devil,
There was a discussion regarding your question &lt;a href=&quot;http://bannerofheaven.weblogs.us/archives/90#more-90&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.

Ronan,
Great story. The earring thing, if nothing else, reveals personalities.

I&#039;m not a huge fan of Elder Bednar&#039;s example either, mostly because it sounds like the guy didn&#039;t even discuss it with her, he just assumed. Better that she didn&#039;t marry him because it would be insufferable to live with someone that assumes rather than communicates.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Advocate of the Devil,<br />
There was a discussion regarding your question <a href="http://bannerofheaven.weblogs.us/archives/90#more-90" rel="nofollow">here</a>.</p>
<p>Ronan,<br />
Great story. The earring thing, if nothing else, reveals personalities.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not a huge fan of Elder Bednar&#8217;s example either, mostly because it sounds like the guy didn&#8217;t even discuss it with her, he just assumed. Better that she didn&#8217;t marry him because it would be insufferable to live with someone that assumes rather than communicates.</p>
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