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	<title>Comments on: &#8220;He Wouldn&#8217;t and I Couldn&#8217;t&#8221;:  Tensions over Healing in the Household of Faith</title>
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		<title>By: Andermom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andermom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lets pretend your spouse is horribly ill (high fever, sweating, not really concious, vomiting, etc.) It&#039;s the middle of the night, and you&#039;re terrified. What do you do? If you hold the priesthood, you annoint them with oil, lay your hands on their head, call upon the power of God using the authority that you hold and give them a blessing. Okay, now lets say that the horribly ill spouse is the husband; now what do you do? Call the home teachers? What if you feel that you have the &#039;gift of healing&#039; then what do you do? Say a really intense prayer? I&#039;ve never been in that situation (thankfully) but I know that if I ever was I would feel helpless and that anything I did was horribly inadequate. Do men feel that way after they give a blessing?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lets pretend your spouse is horribly ill (high fever, sweating, not really concious, vomiting, etc.) It&#8217;s the middle of the night, and you&#8217;re terrified. What do you do? If you hold the priesthood, you annoint them with oil, lay your hands on their head, call upon the power of God using the authority that you hold and give them a blessing. Okay, now lets say that the horribly ill spouse is the husband; now what do you do? Call the home teachers? What if you feel that you have the &#8216;gift of healing&#8217; then what do you do? Say a really intense prayer? I&#8217;ve never been in that situation (thankfully) but I know that if I ever was I would feel helpless and that anything I did was horribly inadequate. Do men feel that way after they give a blessing?</p>
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		<title>By: LisaB</title>
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		<dc:creator>LisaB</dc:creator>
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		<description>So how do men learn to be dependent on others, Rose?</description>
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		<title>By: Rose</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rose</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I found this to be a very interesting post, but after reading all of it and the subsquent comments, I find it to be more of an issue of marital communication and collaboration than of whether or not women should have the priesthood and the ability to &quot;lay hands&quot; upon the sick.

1) It is not contested that women have the power to heal.  That being the case, it does not matter whether that power comes from the priesthood, from our foundation of faith, or from the mercy of God accessed through prayer.  If we heal, we heal.  With that knowledge, do we need anything more?

2) If there is an issue of a blessing being given or not given, that seems to be more of an issue of a marital communication problem than anything else.  Husbands often feel that their wives overreact.  That being said, husbands also often respond very well to having the matter explained to them frankly and directly.

Communication seems to me to be 9/10ths of this issue.  We are given guidelines for a reason.  We may never have a satisfactory response as to why women don&#039;t &quot;get&quot; the priesthood handed down from the first presidency.  I personally believe that a large reason we do not all have it is so that we may learn to have to ask for help, learn to be dependent on others, especially within a marriage.  If we all had it, why would we need each other? It is one more contributor that teaches and binds our families together.  At least that&#039;s my take.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I found this to be a very interesting post, but after reading all of it and the subsquent comments, I find it to be more of an issue of marital communication and collaboration than of whether or not women should have the priesthood and the ability to &#8220;lay hands&#8221; upon the sick.</p>
<p>1) It is not contested that women have the power to heal.  That being the case, it does not matter whether that power comes from the priesthood, from our foundation of faith, or from the mercy of God accessed through prayer.  If we heal, we heal.  With that knowledge, do we need anything more?</p>
<p>2) If there is an issue of a blessing being given or not given, that seems to be more of an issue of a marital communication problem than anything else.  Husbands often feel that their wives overreact.  That being said, husbands also often respond very well to having the matter explained to them frankly and directly.</p>
<p>Communication seems to me to be 9/10ths of this issue.  We are given guidelines for a reason.  We may never have a satisfactory response as to why women don&#8217;t &#8220;get&#8221; the priesthood handed down from the first presidency.  I personally believe that a large reason we do not all have it is so that we may learn to have to ask for help, learn to be dependent on others, especially within a marriage.  If we all had it, why would we need each other? It is one more contributor that teaches and binds our families together.  At least that&#8217;s my take.</p>
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		<title>By: Caroline</title>
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		<dc:creator>Caroline</dc:creator>
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		<description>Geoff J, I understand that and agree with you about not needing the priesthood to heal.  Now.  Two years ago I wasn&#039;t as liberated from cultural Mormonism as I am currently. (Of course, I personally would like the priesthood for other reasons - not the least of which is the opportunity for women to contribute to defining policy and doctrine for the body of the church.)

  But how many Mormon men and women would also agree?  I think the very idea of a woman laying hands on and healing is threatening to average Mormons&#039; conception of priesthood responsibility.  I can&#039;t even tell you how many LDS people I know who would be horrified by the idea - even though there lots of scriptural and historical precidents.

So let&#039;s bring on the change. But how to go about that?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Geoff J, I understand that and agree with you about not needing the priesthood to heal.  Now.  Two years ago I wasn&#8217;t as liberated from cultural Mormonism as I am currently. (Of course, I personally would like the priesthood for other reasons &#8211; not the least of which is the opportunity for women to contribute to defining policy and doctrine for the body of the church.)</p>
<p>  But how many Mormon men and women would also agree?  I think the very idea of a woman laying hands on and healing is threatening to average Mormons&#8217; conception of priesthood responsibility.  I can&#8217;t even tell you how many LDS people I know who would be horrified by the idea &#8211; even though there lots of scriptural and historical precidents.</p>
<p>So let&#8217;s bring on the change. But how to go about that?</p>
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		<title>By: Caroline</title>
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		<dc:creator>Caroline</dc:creator>
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		<description>I&#039;m so embarrassed!  Triple post!  I didn&#039;t think they were going through.... sorry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m so embarrassed!  Triple post!  I didn&#8217;t think they were going through&#8230;. sorry.</p>
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		<title>By: fMhLisa</title>
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		<dc:creator>fMhLisa</dc:creator>
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		<description>Wow great post kris!  Thank you so much.</description>
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		<title>By: Geoff J</title>
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		<dc:creator>Geoff J</dc:creator>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I think it&#039;s time for the church and its members to stop ignoring/rejecting this empowering and ennobling doctrine and give women the permission to find this talant and gift within themselves.

Or we could just give women the priesthood. That would work too.&lt;/i&gt;

Caroline, our scriptures say you don&#039;t need the priesthood or the current priesthood rituals to heal.  You can be a healer today.  That is the point of my responding post I linked to in #4.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I think it&#8217;s time for the church and its members to stop ignoring/rejecting this empowering and ennobling doctrine and give women the permission to find this talant and gift within themselves.</p>
<p>Or we could just give women the priesthood. That would work too.</i></p>
<p>Caroline, our scriptures say you don&#8217;t need the priesthood or the current priesthood rituals to heal.  You can be a healer today.  That is the point of my responding post I linked to in #4.</p>
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		<title>By: Caroline</title>
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		<dc:creator>Caroline</dc:creator>
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		<description>Kris,
Thanks for a wonderful post. I can relate to the women quoted because I had a somewhat similar experience

A couple of years ago I accidently poisoned my 14 pound pug Penelope. I left the door open to my garage, and she got in and ate enough rat poison to kill a much larger dog. Luckily, I realized it right away, took her to the vet, got her stomach pumped, etc. The vets seemed to think she would make it, but I was agonized and heartsick. The dog I loved like a child had almost died because of me.

I felt strongly that she should have a priesthood blessing. I know some of you might find that ridiculous, but it was incredibly important to me that we do everything in our power to save her. I asked my husband. He wasn&#039;t comfortable with blessing an animal.

I begged my husband. I cried. I was so disgusted with him refusing that I couldn&#039;t even look at him. I was humiliated that I had to beg for this - especially when he knew how hard it is for me to ask for a priesthood blessing under any circumstance. I had never felt so powerless in my marriage before. He had something I didn&#039;t - something that I knew would help her - and he was refusing to use it. And there was nothing I could do about it.

Eventually, he reluctantly performed the blessing. I held her as he spoke. He was overcome with the Spirit and sobbed and told me later that he now knew it had been the right thing to do.

So my story ended happily. But only because he eventually gave in. Having experienced the feeling of terror and helplessness with my dog ill, I can only imagine what it would be like with a child.

This experience made me believe it is wrong to concentrate that kind of power within only one partner of the marriage. In my ideal world, both women and men would share their priesthood and bless and annoint jointly. (But if one wasn&#039;t willing, then the other could step in and do it.) However, I would be happy with smaller steps. If it was acknowledged that wives shared with husbands equal decision making power on when to bless, then I&#039;d be more comfortable. Or, if it were acknowledged that healing by faith and by the gift of healing were just as powerful as a priesthood blessing, then that would be ok as well.

As it stands now, perhaps I do have the gift to heal. But I wouldn&#039;t know it since it&#039;s such a cultural faux-pas to even entertain the idea that a woman can heal. I think it&#039;s time for the church and its members to stop ignoring/rejecting this empowering and ennobling doctrine and give women the permission to find this talant and gift within themselves.

Or we could just give women the priesthood.  That would work too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kris,<br />
Thanks for a wonderful post. I can relate to the women quoted because I had a somewhat similar experience</p>
<p>A couple of years ago I accidently poisoned my 14 pound pug Penelope. I left the door open to my garage, and she got in and ate enough rat poison to kill a much larger dog. Luckily, I realized it right away, took her to the vet, got her stomach pumped, etc. The vets seemed to think she would make it, but I was agonized and heartsick. The dog I loved like a child had almost died because of me.</p>
<p>I felt strongly that she should have a priesthood blessing. I know some of you might find that ridiculous, but it was incredibly important to me that we do everything in our power to save her. I asked my husband. He wasn&#8217;t comfortable with blessing an animal.</p>
<p>I begged my husband. I cried. I was so disgusted with him refusing that I couldn&#8217;t even look at him. I was humiliated that I had to beg for this &#8211; especially when he knew how hard it is for me to ask for a priesthood blessing under any circumstance. I had never felt so powerless in my marriage before. He had something I didn&#8217;t &#8211; something that I knew would help her &#8211; and he was refusing to use it. And there was nothing I could do about it.</p>
<p>Eventually, he reluctantly performed the blessing. I held her as he spoke. He was overcome with the Spirit and sobbed and told me later that he now knew it had been the right thing to do.</p>
<p>So my story ended happily. But only because he eventually gave in. Having experienced the feeling of terror and helplessness with my dog ill, I can only imagine what it would be like with a child.</p>
<p>This experience made me believe it is wrong to concentrate that kind of power within only one partner of the marriage. In my ideal world, both women and men would share their priesthood and bless and annoint jointly. (But if one wasn&#8217;t willing, then the other could step in and do it.) However, I would be happy with smaller steps. If it was acknowledged that wives shared with husbands equal decision making power on when to bless, then I&#8217;d be more comfortable. Or, if it were acknowledged that healing by faith and by the gift of healing were just as powerful as a priesthood blessing, then that would be ok as well.</p>
<p>As it stands now, perhaps I do have the gift to heal. But I wouldn&#8217;t know it since it&#8217;s such a cultural faux-pas to even entertain the idea that a woman can heal. I think it&#8217;s time for the church and its members to stop ignoring/rejecting this empowering and ennobling doctrine and give women the permission to find this talant and gift within themselves.</p>
<p>Or we could just give women the priesthood.  That would work too.</p>
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		<title>By: Caroline</title>
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		<dc:creator>Caroline</dc:creator>
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		<description>Kris,
Thanks for a wonderful post. I can relate to the women quoted because I had a somewhat similar experience

A couple of years ago I accidently poisoned my 14 pound pug Penelope. I left the door open to my garage, and she got in and ate enough rat poison to kill a much larger dog. Luckily, I realized it right away, took her to the vet, got her stomach pumped, etc. The vets seemed to think she would make it, but I was agonized and heartsick. The dog I loved like a child had almost died because of me.

I felt strongly that she should have a priesthood blessing. I know some of you might find that ridiculous, but it was incredibly important to me that we do everything in our power to save her. I asked my husband. He wasn&#039;t comfortable with blessing an animal.

I begged my husband. I cried. I was so disgusted with him refusing that I couldn&#039;t even look at him. I was humiliated that I had to beg for this - especially when he knew how hard it is for me to ask for a priesthood blessing under any circumstance. I had never felt so powerless in my marriage before. He had something I didn&#039;t - something that I knew would help her - and he was refusing to use it. And there was nothing I could do about it.

Eventually, he reluctantly performed the blessing. I held her as he spoke. He was overcome with the Spirit and sobbed and told me later that he now knew it had been the right thing to do.

So my story ended happily. But only because he eventually gave in. Having experienced the feeling of terror and helplessness with my dog ill, I can only imagine what it would be like with a child.

This experience made me believe it is wrong to concentrate that kind of power within only one partner of the marriage. In my ideal world, both women and men would share their priesthood and bless and annoint jointly. (But if one wasn&#039;t willing, then the other could step in and do it.) However, I would be happy with smaller steps. If it was acknowledged that wives shared with husbands equal decision making power on when to bless, then I&#039;d be more comfortable. Or, if it were acknowledged that healing by faith and by the gift of healing were just as powerful as a priesthood blessing, then that would be ok as well.

As it stands now, perhaps I do have the gift to heal. But I wouldn&#039;t know it since it&#039;s such a cultural faux-pas to even entertain the idea that a woman can heal. I think it&#039;s time for the church and its members to stop ignoring/rejecting this empowering and ennobling doctrine and give women the permission to find this talant and gift within themselves.

Or we could just give women the priesthood.  That would work too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kris,<br />
Thanks for a wonderful post. I can relate to the women quoted because I had a somewhat similar experience</p>
<p>A couple of years ago I accidently poisoned my 14 pound pug Penelope. I left the door open to my garage, and she got in and ate enough rat poison to kill a much larger dog. Luckily, I realized it right away, took her to the vet, got her stomach pumped, etc. The vets seemed to think she would make it, but I was agonized and heartsick. The dog I loved like a child had almost died because of me.</p>
<p>I felt strongly that she should have a priesthood blessing. I know some of you might find that ridiculous, but it was incredibly important to me that we do everything in our power to save her. I asked my husband. He wasn&#8217;t comfortable with blessing an animal.</p>
<p>I begged my husband. I cried. I was so disgusted with him refusing that I couldn&#8217;t even look at him. I was humiliated that I had to beg for this &#8211; especially when he knew how hard it is for me to ask for a priesthood blessing under any circumstance. I had never felt so powerless in my marriage before. He had something I didn&#8217;t &#8211; something that I knew would help her &#8211; and he was refusing to use it. And there was nothing I could do about it.</p>
<p>Eventually, he reluctantly performed the blessing. I held her as he spoke. He was overcome with the Spirit and sobbed and told me later that he now knew it had been the right thing to do.</p>
<p>So my story ended happily. But only because he eventually gave in. Having experienced the feeling of terror and helplessness with my dog ill, I can only imagine what it would be like with a child.</p>
<p>This experience made me believe it is wrong to concentrate that kind of power within only one partner of the marriage. In my ideal world, both women and men would share their priesthood and bless and annoint jointly. (But if one wasn&#8217;t willing, then the other could step in and do it.) However, I would be happy with smaller steps. If it was acknowledged that wives shared with husbands equal decision making power on when to bless, then I&#8217;d be more comfortable. Or, if it were acknowledged that healing by faith and by the gift of healing were just as powerful as a priesthood blessing, then that would be ok as well.</p>
<p>As it stands now, perhaps I do have the gift to heal. But I wouldn&#8217;t know it since it&#8217;s such a cultural faux-pas to even entertain the idea that a woman can heal. I think it&#8217;s time for the church and its members to stop ignoring/rejecting this empowering and ennobling doctrine and give women the permission to find this talant and gift within themselves.</p>
<p>Or we could just give women the priesthood.  That would work too.</p>
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		<title>By: karen8</title>
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		<dc:creator>karen8</dc:creator>
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		<description>I spent some time thinking about this post last night and then asked my husband his thoughts. He said that he would give a blessing if asked.  It is interesting to think of calling in the home teachers.  Would they say no?  I don&#039;t think they would decide if it was too soon, baby not sick enough, etc.  My husband has given blessings to many out of our family, sometimes not knowing why, except that comfort or healing is needed.  He doesn&#039;t question why.  We both feel that I may have the spirit tell me a blessing is needed as well as him.  I know the spirit speaks to us at different times in other areas of family and life, why not on this occasion?  Sometimes a blessing is his idea, sometimes we both think of it, and sometimes I suggest it.  I&#039;m grateful he respects my concerns and feelings in this area.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I spent some time thinking about this post last night and then asked my husband his thoughts. He said that he would give a blessing if asked.  It is interesting to think of calling in the home teachers.  Would they say no?  I don&#8217;t think they would decide if it was too soon, baby not sick enough, etc.  My husband has given blessings to many out of our family, sometimes not knowing why, except that comfort or healing is needed.  He doesn&#8217;t question why.  We both feel that I may have the spirit tell me a blessing is needed as well as him.  I know the spirit speaks to us at different times in other areas of family and life, why not on this occasion?  Sometimes a blessing is his idea, sometimes we both think of it, and sometimes I suggest it.  I&#8217;m grateful he respects my concerns and feelings in this area.</p>
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