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	<title>Comments on: Questions for a Catholic: Part One</title>
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		<title>By: Randal</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2005/10/25/questions-for-a-catholic-part-one/#comment-48034</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Nov 2005 06:48:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is absolutely the nicest dialogue from people from different traditions within the Christian faith that I have found, ever. Looking admiringly towards commonalities, yet curious about the genuine meaning of the differences. I myself grew up Catholic, have family that are Mormon, and am an Anglican/Episcopalian. And I agree with comment 13...Anglicans have the best religious music. Anyone whoever listened to King&#039;s College Cambridge would hear it, save the MTC. I might add that I admire greatly the sense of mission that LDS member have towards their faith, and of their good manners and kindness. God bless you all.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is absolutely the nicest dialogue from people from different traditions within the Christian faith that I have found, ever. Looking admiringly towards commonalities, yet curious about the genuine meaning of the differences. I myself grew up Catholic, have family that are Mormon, and am an Anglican/Episcopalian. And I agree with comment 13&#8230;Anglicans have the best religious music. Anyone whoever listened to King&#8217;s College Cambridge would hear it, save the MTC. I might add that I admire greatly the sense of mission that LDS member have towards their faith, and of their good manners and kindness. God bless you all.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Evans</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2005/10/25/questions-for-a-catholic-part-one/#comment-48021</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Steve Evans]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Excellent thoughts Andrew and Ronan.

Question for our resident papist:

1.  What is the future of the Catholic church, in your opinion?  Do you see further acceptance of local traditions a la Vatican II, or do you think that it will eventually have to end?

2.  At what point will the American Catholics be forced to choose a path of orthodoxy?  It seems to me that there are significant gaps between continental Catholicism (or Catholicism anywhere outside the U.S.) and the U.S. equivalent.

3.  You guys have the edge: best religious music, finest religious edifices, best hats.  Is that edge slipping?  Which religion do you see as occupying a cultural predominance?

4.  I&#039;ve thought to myself at times that if I weren&#039;t Mormon, I&#039;d be drawn to Catholicism.  What about you -- if you were to look elsewhere, what faiths appeal to you?  Why?

5.  You use the language of American protestantism pretty well (&quot;My own redemption depends on Christ&#039;s constantly being able to work amid my petty sinfulness and to transform my heart&quot; -- sounds like G.W.B.!).  What about the language of Catholicism?  Does it belong anywhere in your life?  Where do you fit in beliefs about Mary, the lives of the Saints, the ordinances and rituals?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent thoughts Andrew and Ronan.</p>
<p>Question for our resident papist:</p>
<p>1.  What is the future of the Catholic church, in your opinion?  Do you see further acceptance of local traditions a la Vatican II, or do you think that it will eventually have to end?</p>
<p>2.  At what point will the American Catholics be forced to choose a path of orthodoxy?  It seems to me that there are significant gaps between continental Catholicism (or Catholicism anywhere outside the U.S.) and the U.S. equivalent.</p>
<p>3.  You guys have the edge: best religious music, finest religious edifices, best hats.  Is that edge slipping?  Which religion do you see as occupying a cultural predominance?</p>
<p>4.  I&#8217;ve thought to myself at times that if I weren&#8217;t Mormon, I&#8217;d be drawn to Catholicism.  What about you &#8212; if you were to look elsewhere, what faiths appeal to you?  Why?</p>
<p>5.  You use the language of American protestantism pretty well (&#8220;My own redemption depends on Christ&#8217;s constantly being able to work amid my petty sinfulness and to transform my heart&#8221; &#8212; sounds like G.W.B.!).  What about the language of Catholicism?  Does it belong anywhere in your life?  Where do you fit in beliefs about Mary, the lives of the Saints, the ordinances and rituals?</p>
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		<title>By: Ronan</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2005/10/25/questions-for-a-catholic-part-one/#comment-48022</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ronan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Steve,
Good questions. But let Andrew catch his breath. (Andrew, you don&#039;t have to answer all of those. This is part one, after all.)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve,<br />
Good questions. But let Andrew catch his breath. (Andrew, you don&#8217;t have to answer all of those. This is part one, after all.)</p>
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		<title>By: Ronan</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2005/10/25/questions-for-a-catholic-part-one/#comment-48023</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ronan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Andrew,

You have done something that Mormons cannot countenance:

Admitting institutional error and asking for forgiveness (and, in your mind, getting it).

Many Mormons, who also have an authority claim, accept that their church is imperfect, but could not cope with something as awful as, say, the Inquisition. They would either deny it, or leave the church in anguish. (This, by the way, is why the Mountain Meadows Massacre remains so sensitive: if Brigham Young ordered the killing--and I&#039;m not saying he did, but many do--then this would be really problematic.)

Anyway, how representative our your views on this matter?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andrew,</p>
<p>You have done something that Mormons cannot countenance:</p>
<p>Admitting institutional error and asking for forgiveness (and, in your mind, getting it).</p>
<p>Many Mormons, who also have an authority claim, accept that their church is imperfect, but could not cope with something as awful as, say, the Inquisition. They would either deny it, or leave the church in anguish. (This, by the way, is why the Mountain Meadows Massacre remains so sensitive: if Brigham Young ordered the killing&#8211;and I&#8217;m not saying he did, but many do&#8211;then this would be really problematic.)</p>
<p>Anyway, how representative our your views on this matter?</p>
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		<title>By: J. Stapley</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2005/10/25/questions-for-a-catholic-part-one/#comment-48024</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[J. Stapley]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Way to come out swinging, Ronan.  Seriously, though, this was a great post.  Thanks for participating, Andrew.  I was pretty surprised by Andrew&#039;s language as well.  My current business partner is a devout Catholic and his family who lives close by is still in a very different place.  I don&#039;t see this as a bad thing at all, but it does show the diversity of perspective.

Like Steve, I am interested in the American vs. non-American debate.  There have been articles all around, including the &lt;i&gt;Atlantic Monthly&lt;/i&gt; that delineate a disparity of schismatic proportions.  As far as I am concerned, Roman Catholicism is &lt;i&gt;the&lt;/i&gt; world wide Christian Faith and am quite interested in this dynamic as it will have effects for all faiths.

That said, I truly wonder (all ecumenism aside), whether the Roman Catholic Church would ever stop making claims of exclusivity.  I hope not.  They would lose too much.  I think one can state in good faith that God loves his children and that he works through different cultures to bless His children, and still say that the holy sacraments are required for salvation.  Maybe that is because I am Mormon and state the Mormon variation of that.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Way to come out swinging, Ronan.  Seriously, though, this was a great post.  Thanks for participating, Andrew.  I was pretty surprised by Andrew&#8217;s language as well.  My current business partner is a devout Catholic and his family who lives close by is still in a very different place.  I don&#8217;t see this as a bad thing at all, but it does show the diversity of perspective.</p>
<p>Like Steve, I am interested in the American vs. non-American debate.  There have been articles all around, including the <i>Atlantic Monthly</i> that delineate a disparity of schismatic proportions.  As far as I am concerned, Roman Catholicism is <i>the</i> world wide Christian Faith and am quite interested in this dynamic as it will have effects for all faiths.</p>
<p>That said, I truly wonder (all ecumenism aside), whether the Roman Catholic Church would ever stop making claims of exclusivity.  I hope not.  They would lose too much.  I think one can state in good faith that God loves his children and that he works through different cultures to bless His children, and still say that the holy sacraments are required for salvation.  Maybe that is because I am Mormon and state the Mormon variation of that.</p>
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		<title>By: annegb</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2005/10/25/questions-for-a-catholic-part-one/#comment-48025</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[annegb]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Good job, Andrew and Ronan.  I wonder if maybe I was meant to be a Catholic after all.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good job, Andrew and Ronan.  I wonder if maybe I was meant to be a Catholic after all.</p>
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		<title>By: Seth Rogers</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2005/10/25/questions-for-a-catholic-part-one/#comment-48026</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Seth Rogers]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;notice the gestures because doctrine will be the last thing to change; if a change does come, it will be preceded by ecumenical gestures&quot;

I find this to be an interesting statement. I makes you look at the recent &quot;gestures&quot; from our own prophet in a little different light.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;notice the gestures because doctrine will be the last thing to change; if a change does come, it will be preceded by ecumenical gestures&#8221;</p>
<p>I find this to be an interesting statement. I makes you look at the recent &#8220;gestures&#8221; from our own prophet in a little different light.</p>
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		<title>By: Davis Bell</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2005/10/25/questions-for-a-catholic-part-one/#comment-48027</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Davis Bell]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Very interesting.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very interesting.</p>
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		<title>By: danithew</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2005/10/25/questions-for-a-catholic-part-one/#comment-48028</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[danithew]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks Ronan and Andrew for a great post.  Very interesting indeed.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Ronan and Andrew for a great post.  Very interesting indeed.</p>
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		<title>By: manaen</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2005/10/25/questions-for-a-catholic-part-one/#comment-48029</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[manaen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Andrew, Thank you very much for your patience and candor.

Re: your comment, â€œIf the sins of some clergy, no matter how egregious, shut out Christ&#039;s saving work, then what hope is there for me, who am nothing, if not a sinner?â€

This echoes my own experience of Christâ€™s atonement healing my soul.  As I posted elsewhere*, even cases in which the Church, leaders, members, or anyone else may be late or err donâ€™t concern me anymore because they do not affect the healing I enjoy and that others can have. Iâ€™ve learned that Godâ€™s love truly is the most joyous to the soul and that lesser issues donâ€™t take it from me.

* http://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php?p=2582#comment-97137]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andrew, Thank you very much for your patience and candor.</p>
<p>Re: your comment, â€œIf the sins of some clergy, no matter how egregious, shut out Christ&#8217;s saving work, then what hope is there for me, who am nothing, if not a sinner?â€</p>
<p>This echoes my own experience of Christâ€™s atonement healing my soul.  As I posted elsewhere*, even cases in which the Church, leaders, members, or anyone else may be late or err donâ€™t concern me anymore because they do not affect the healing I enjoy and that others can have. Iâ€™ve learned that Godâ€™s love truly is the most joyous to the soul and that lesser issues donâ€™t take it from me.</p>
<p>* <a href="http://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php?p=2582#comment-97137" rel="nofollow">http://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php?p=2582#comment-97137</a></p>
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