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		<title>By: smb</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2006/03/02/who-was-the-elias-of-dc-110/#comment-17645</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Dec 2006 06:12:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[re 53 JSJ seems to have understood Elias in a rather generic way, and Esaias (and indeed Isaiah himself) could easily be seen as an Elias.  I think people have been overly distracted by Elias, where JSJ meant to highlight Elijah. re: 52, most of christianity believed/believes the Baptist was a type of Elijah.  JSJ separated Elijah from Elias very deliberately.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>re 53 JSJ seems to have understood Elias in a rather generic way, and Esaias (and indeed Isaiah himself) could easily be seen as an Elias.  I think people have been overly distracted by Elias, where JSJ meant to highlight Elijah. re: 52, most of christianity believed/believes the Baptist was a type of Elijah.  JSJ separated Elijah from Elias very deliberately.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rob]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Dec 2006 20:31:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Why isn&#039;t Elias who brings the keys to the dispensation of Abraham the same Esaias who lived during the time of Abraham and is in the direct preisthood line of Moses (D&amp;C 84:12-14)?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why isn&#8217;t Elias who brings the keys to the dispensation of Abraham the same Esaias who lived during the time of Abraham and is in the direct preisthood line of Moses (D&amp;C 84:12-14)?</p>
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		<title>By: CRC</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Oct 2006 10:25:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Fellow Earth Travelers-

I have enjoyed reading you speculations.... Here is how it really is in section 110.

The &quot;Elias&quot; or forrunner that delivered the keys of the Gospel of Abraham was none other than Abraham! Dah! Think about it,  Moses personally delivered the dispensational keys that he personally held and Elijah the Prophet personally delivered the dispensational keys that he personally held... who other than Abraham would deliver the Gospel of Abraham?

Read the second chapter of Abraham very closely. Abraham was promised that he would &quot;minister&quot; (be a ministering angel) to his posterity after they go to a strange land that would be given to them as an everlasting inheritance!!!

The inspired version informs us that everyone that goes before the Lord to prepare the way is acting in the spirit of Elias. Any one of the three ministering angels that appeared at the Kirtland Temple could have been referred to as &quot;Elias&quot;.

Why did the Lord inspire Joseph to use the generic name of Elias?

To obscure what was taking place and divert peoples attention from the real issue of what was actually taking place?

Since &quot;Blindness is on Israel&quot; until the fulness of times, there are certain things that God did not want the Saints to fully understand. 2nd Thes tells us that in the last days God would send strong delusion so that the Saints who loved darkness rather than truth would believe a lie.

He wanted to obscure the reality of what was actually taking place.... you see, the Abrahamic &quot;land covenant&quot; had to do with the land of America.... not the Old World Jerusalem and the seed of Abraham has to do with America, not the bearded people with beeny caps on in the old world Jerusalem.

The Abrahamic covenant pertains to America! The seed of Abraham is gathering to America and the land promised to Abraham and his seed for an everlasting inheritance is in the land of America. Simply read section 38 and 3rd Nephi very carefully and you will realize that the abrahamic land covenant is in America.

Having cleared up that mystery, let us takle another one in this section of scripture.... the Old Testament &quot;Elijah&quot; who followed Elias (Abraham) in delivering dispensation keys is the same as &quot;he who was known as John the Baptist). Thats right, John the Baptist was the reincarnation of Elijah the Prophet from the Old testament.

We are told that no less that 5 times in the standard works even though hardly any one believes it.

Think about it, from modern revelation we have been given a more accurate rendering of Malachi 4

&quot;He will reveal the priesthood by the hand of Elijah the Prophet before the great and dreadful day of the Lord&quot;

This did not happen in the Kirtland Temple! Elijah did not confer priesthood to Joseph and Oliver in the Kirtland Temple by &quot;hand&quot;, rather he announced that the prophecy in malachi had fully been fulfilled and therefore the Great and Dreadful day of the Lord is near! Since he had completed his dispensational responsibilities he was now transfering his keys to Joseph and Oliver. (Because Joseph would need to hold those same keys) The inspired version tells us that there was to be two Elijahs in the last days: Elijah the preparer (John the Baptist) and Elijah the Restorer (Joseph Smith)

When had the priesthood previously been revealed by the laying on of hands by Elijah the prophet?

Seven years previous to section 110

Elijah the Prophet appeared to Joseph and Oliver and revealed the priesthood by the laying on of hands! Notice he did not say &quot; I am John the Baptist&quot; rather he said &quot;I am he who was known as John the Baptist&quot;.

This is why the NT tells us John was full of the Holy Ghost while in his mothers womb... most people never achieve the fulness of the holy ghost during mortality let alone before birth! The orginal version of the D&amp;C tells us that John the Baptist had been baptised BEFORE coming out of the womb.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fellow Earth Travelers-</p>
<p>I have enjoyed reading you speculations&#8230;. Here is how it really is in section 110.</p>
<p>The &#8220;Elias&#8221; or forrunner that delivered the keys of the Gospel of Abraham was none other than Abraham! Dah! Think about it,  Moses personally delivered the dispensational keys that he personally held and Elijah the Prophet personally delivered the dispensational keys that he personally held&#8230; who other than Abraham would deliver the Gospel of Abraham?</p>
<p>Read the second chapter of Abraham very closely. Abraham was promised that he would &#8220;minister&#8221; (be a ministering angel) to his posterity after they go to a strange land that would be given to them as an everlasting inheritance!!!</p>
<p>The inspired version informs us that everyone that goes before the Lord to prepare the way is acting in the spirit of Elias. Any one of the three ministering angels that appeared at the Kirtland Temple could have been referred to as &#8220;Elias&#8221;.</p>
<p>Why did the Lord inspire Joseph to use the generic name of Elias?</p>
<p>To obscure what was taking place and divert peoples attention from the real issue of what was actually taking place?</p>
<p>Since &#8220;Blindness is on Israel&#8221; until the fulness of times, there are certain things that God did not want the Saints to fully understand. 2nd Thes tells us that in the last days God would send strong delusion so that the Saints who loved darkness rather than truth would believe a lie.</p>
<p>He wanted to obscure the reality of what was actually taking place&#8230;. you see, the Abrahamic &#8220;land covenant&#8221; had to do with the land of America&#8230;. not the Old World Jerusalem and the seed of Abraham has to do with America, not the bearded people with beeny caps on in the old world Jerusalem.</p>
<p>The Abrahamic covenant pertains to America! The seed of Abraham is gathering to America and the land promised to Abraham and his seed for an everlasting inheritance is in the land of America. Simply read section 38 and 3rd Nephi very carefully and you will realize that the abrahamic land covenant is in America.</p>
<p>Having cleared up that mystery, let us takle another one in this section of scripture&#8230;. the Old Testament &#8220;Elijah&#8221; who followed Elias (Abraham) in delivering dispensation keys is the same as &#8220;he who was known as John the Baptist). Thats right, John the Baptist was the reincarnation of Elijah the Prophet from the Old testament.</p>
<p>We are told that no less that 5 times in the standard works even though hardly any one believes it.</p>
<p>Think about it, from modern revelation we have been given a more accurate rendering of Malachi 4</p>
<p>&#8220;He will reveal the priesthood by the hand of Elijah the Prophet before the great and dreadful day of the Lord&#8221;</p>
<p>This did not happen in the Kirtland Temple! Elijah did not confer priesthood to Joseph and Oliver in the Kirtland Temple by &#8220;hand&#8221;, rather he announced that the prophecy in malachi had fully been fulfilled and therefore the Great and Dreadful day of the Lord is near! Since he had completed his dispensational responsibilities he was now transfering his keys to Joseph and Oliver. (Because Joseph would need to hold those same keys) The inspired version tells us that there was to be two Elijahs in the last days: Elijah the preparer (John the Baptist) and Elijah the Restorer (Joseph Smith)</p>
<p>When had the priesthood previously been revealed by the laying on of hands by Elijah the prophet?</p>
<p>Seven years previous to section 110</p>
<p>Elijah the Prophet appeared to Joseph and Oliver and revealed the priesthood by the laying on of hands! Notice he did not say &#8221; I am John the Baptist&#8221; rather he said &#8220;I am he who was known as John the Baptist&#8221;.</p>
<p>This is why the NT tells us John was full of the Holy Ghost while in his mothers womb&#8230; most people never achieve the fulness of the holy ghost during mortality let alone before birth! The orginal version of the D&amp;C tells us that John the Baptist had been baptised BEFORE coming out of the womb.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Barney</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2006/03/02/who-was-the-elias-of-dc-110/#comment-17642</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kevin Barney]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Sep 2006 18:04:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Samuel Brown&#039;s &quot;The Prophet Elias Puzzle,&quot; Dialogue 39/3 (Fall 2006), is now available &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.dialoguejournal.com/content/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Samuel Brown&#8217;s &#8220;The Prophet Elias Puzzle,&#8221; Dialogue 39/3 (Fall 2006), is now available <a href="http://www.dialoguejournal.com/content/" rel="nofollow">here</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Amri</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2006/03/02/who-was-the-elias-of-dc-110/#comment-17641</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Amri]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Jul 2006 17:51:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wait, LD doesn&#039;t mean learning disabled does it?

Like Elias/Elijah, at least I know by the time I&#039;m with him I&#039;ll have kicked my bad bad habits.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wait, LD doesn&#8217;t mean learning disabled does it?</p>
<p>Like Elias/Elijah, at least I know by the time I&#8217;m with him I&#8217;ll have kicked my bad bad habits.</p>
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		<title>By: smb</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2006/03/02/who-was-the-elias-of-dc-110/#comment-17640</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[smb]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Jul 2006 17:24:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mark: reference was meant as a joke to amri.  If you&#039;re curious, Taylor Petrey, an LD Saint in grad school on the East Coast, is doing his dissertation work on these ideas about food, waste, and the resurrected body.  it&#039;s a surprisingly complex literature throughout early (and later) Christianity.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark: reference was meant as a joke to amri.  If you&#8217;re curious, Taylor Petrey, an LD Saint in grad school on the East Coast, is doing his dissertation work on these ideas about food, waste, and the resurrected body.  it&#8217;s a surprisingly complex literature throughout early (and later) Christianity.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Butler</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mark Butler]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Jul 2006 06:46:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The resurrected Lord ate fish...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The resurrected Lord ate fish&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: smb</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2006/03/02/who-was-the-elias-of-dc-110/#comment-17638</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Jul 2006 03:57:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Not wanting to threadjack particularly but still wanting to do some self-promotion, I would recommend your consideration of my &quot;Prophet Elias Puzzle&quot; in the forthcoming issue of Dialogue.  You may want to buy the issue even if you don&#039;t subscribe just for the article, which I hope sheds considerable light on the Elias-Elijah bifurcation.

PS: Amri, Elias/Elijah drank wine but not coffee and ate meat sparingly.  He no longer eats or drinks.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not wanting to threadjack particularly but still wanting to do some self-promotion, I would recommend your consideration of my &#8220;Prophet Elias Puzzle&#8221; in the forthcoming issue of Dialogue.  You may want to buy the issue even if you don&#8217;t subscribe just for the article, which I hope sheds considerable light on the Elias-Elijah bifurcation.</p>
<p>PS: Amri, Elias/Elijah drank wine but not coffee and ate meat sparingly.  He no longer eats or drinks.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremy W</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeremy W]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Jul 2006 00:59:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Elias is another name for Elijah; Elijah was the first (as far as the scripture we have) to be depicted as a forerunner, as the name Elias represents.

In 1 Kings 17:45-46, after Elijah&#039;s miracle that consumed the priests of Baal, this is what happens:

&quot;And it came to pass in the mean while, that the heaven was black with clouds and wind, and there was a great rain.  And Ahab rode, and went to Jezreel.  And the hand of the Lord was on Elijah; and he girded up his loins, and ran before Ahab to the entrance of Jezreel.&quot;

The key is the last sentence: &quot;...and ran before Ahab to the entrance of Jezreel.&quot;  The person who ran before the king in these days was the herald - or forerunner - who announced and prepared the way for the king.  Thus Elijah becomes the type for all to come with a mission to prepare the way for the King, being the Lord.  Elijah later fulfilled this again, of course, delivering the keys to the work for the dead to Joseph Smith.  John the Baptist, of course, was another important person to fulfill the role of Elias.  Elijah was the first.  In a way, 1 Kings 17 is somewhat symbolic of the Second Coming.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Elias is another name for Elijah; Elijah was the first (as far as the scripture we have) to be depicted as a forerunner, as the name Elias represents.</p>
<p>In 1 Kings 17:45-46, after Elijah&#8217;s miracle that consumed the priests of Baal, this is what happens:</p>
<p>&#8220;And it came to pass in the mean while, that the heaven was black with clouds and wind, and there was a great rain.  And Ahab rode, and went to Jezreel.  And the hand of the Lord was on Elijah; and he girded up his loins, and ran before Ahab to the entrance of Jezreel.&#8221;</p>
<p>The key is the last sentence: &#8220;&#8230;and ran before Ahab to the entrance of Jezreel.&#8221;  The person who ran before the king in these days was the herald &#8211; or forerunner &#8211; who announced and prepared the way for the king.  Thus Elijah becomes the type for all to come with a mission to prepare the way for the King, being the Lord.  Elijah later fulfilled this again, of course, delivering the keys to the work for the dead to Joseph Smith.  John the Baptist, of course, was another important person to fulfill the role of Elias.  Elijah was the first.  In a way, 1 Kings 17 is somewhat symbolic of the Second Coming.</p>
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		<title>By: J. Stapley</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[J. Stapley]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Jul 2006 22:47:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Nice pull Mark.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice pull Mark.</p>
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