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	<title>Comments on: Does being a Mormon help or hinder your career?</title>
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		<title>By: Bob C.</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bob C.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Apr 2006 04:41:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I participate in the hiring decisions for an international law firm.  I don&#039;t think much of LDS applicants who mask their mission experience.  I see plenty of resumes and applicants who have worked in volunteer Christian or Jewish causes and those items are displayed prominently.   I have actually advised some BYU grads to re-cast their resumes to be more forthright; they tell me they mask their experiences at the recommendation of BYU counselors.

Being a Latter-day Saint lawyer in a major urban area has its ups and downs.  I have too many church and family responsibilities to hustle business and parties and socialize with my partners.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I participate in the hiring decisions for an international law firm.  I don&#8217;t think much of LDS applicants who mask their mission experience.  I see plenty of resumes and applicants who have worked in volunteer Christian or Jewish causes and those items are displayed prominently.   I have actually advised some BYU grads to re-cast their resumes to be more forthright; they tell me they mask their experiences at the recommendation of BYU counselors.</p>
<p>Being a Latter-day Saint lawyer in a major urban area has its ups and downs.  I have too many church and family responsibilities to hustle business and parties and socialize with my partners.</p>
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		<title>By: queuno</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2006/03/12/does-being-a-mormon-help-or-hinder-your-career/#comment-99942</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[queuno]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Mar 2006 22:13:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My issue with putting &quot;missionary&quot; on my resume is one of placement.

I&#039;ve got 15 years of post-mission experience in senior-level IT positions and in academic research (oh, but I only finished my BS 10 years ago).  When applying for most positions, if I list the positions chronologically, the mission is on page 8, if I give them my full CV.

If I give them the one-pager, I include some of the mission experiences I&#039;ve had in my experiences section under the &quot;Leadership&quot; column, and I make reference to my language skills, but other than that, including stuff from 15 years ago is a distraction.  To each his own.

I believe in the theory of &quot;experiential half-life&quot; -- that the worth of any past experience diminishes at a constant rate over time.  I used to work for IBM, but it&#039;s been so long now, that bringing it up has a tendency to overshadow the past 8 years.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My issue with putting &#8220;missionary&#8221; on my resume is one of placement.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve got 15 years of post-mission experience in senior-level IT positions and in academic research (oh, but I only finished my BS 10 years ago).  When applying for most positions, if I list the positions chronologically, the mission is on page 8, if I give them my full CV.</p>
<p>If I give them the one-pager, I include some of the mission experiences I&#8217;ve had in my experiences section under the &#8220;Leadership&#8221; column, and I make reference to my language skills, but other than that, including stuff from 15 years ago is a distraction.  To each his own.</p>
<p>I believe in the theory of &#8220;experiential half-life&#8221; &#8212; that the worth of any past experience diminishes at a constant rate over time.  I used to work for IBM, but it&#8217;s been so long now, that bringing it up has a tendency to overshadow the past 8 years.</p>
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		<title>By: Doug</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2006/03/12/does-being-a-mormon-help-or-hinder-your-career/#comment-99941</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Doug]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Mar 2006 00:35:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I both agree with the comment that you should come right out and say &quot;missionary&quot; but also with the comment that there is a point where you don&#039;t need to mention it anymore (depending on how many years ago your mission was and the degree to which you specialize  in a field).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I both agree with the comment that you should come right out and say &#8220;missionary&#8221; but also with the comment that there is a point where you don&#8217;t need to mention it anymore (depending on how many years ago your mission was and the degree to which you specialize  in a field).</p>
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		<title>By: JA Benson</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[JA Benson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Mar 2006 15:35:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I checked with my husband Mike who is a BYU graduate and a RM.  Mike believes that being a member has had little affect on his career.  However we had a surprise recently when our son received a combination ROTC and academic four year full scholarship at a top Engineering school.  The ROTC people wanted him because he was LDS.  Basically it was this, â€œThey knew the reputation of RMâ€™s and they wanted to get oneâ€.  The ROTC people told him that they expect him to serve a mission.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I checked with my husband Mike who is a BYU graduate and a RM.  Mike believes that being a member has had little affect on his career.  However we had a surprise recently when our son received a combination ROTC and academic four year full scholarship at a top Engineering school.  The ROTC people wanted him because he was LDS.  Basically it was this, â€œThey knew the reputation of RMâ€™s and they wanted to get oneâ€.  The ROTC people told him that they expect him to serve a mission.</p>
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		<title>By: El Jefe</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2006/03/12/does-being-a-mormon-help-or-hinder-your-career/#comment-99939</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[El Jefe]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Mar 2006 05:23:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A professor at Harvard&#039;s MBA program and one at Michigan&#039;s have both told me the same thing.  They said that LDS students sometimes downplay their missions on their applications, and that is a mistake.

They said: &quot;Every top notch business school is very well aware of what missions do for students. They consider it a very positive factor in admissions.

Personally I cannot think of anything which inhibited my career, because of being LDS. Everything was positive. There were occasional snide remarks, but I dismissed them because they were they were by people I was passing on the career ladder. And many others that I passed indicated their resepct for my beliefs.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A professor at Harvard&#8217;s MBA program and one at Michigan&#8217;s have both told me the same thing.  They said that LDS students sometimes downplay their missions on their applications, and that is a mistake.</p>
<p>They said: &#8220;Every top notch business school is very well aware of what missions do for students. They consider it a very positive factor in admissions.</p>
<p>Personally I cannot think of anything which inhibited my career, because of being LDS. Everything was positive. There were occasional snide remarks, but I dismissed them because they were they were by people I was passing on the career ladder. And many others that I passed indicated their resepct for my beliefs.</p>
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		<title>By: Karen</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2006/03/12/does-being-a-mormon-help-or-hinder-your-career/#comment-99938</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Karen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Mar 2006 03:17:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yeah, I understand about the mission on the resume dilemma.  It&#039;s far enough in the past for me that I just put it in a general list of &quot;volunteer work&quot; at the end of my resume, but I do call it a mission.  Most people in D.C. in my line of work have had plenty of contact with Mormons, and so it&#039;s not such a big surprise.  In my experience, it seems generally worse to try and mask things--but I&#039;ve never worked in the Bible belt.

Elisabeth, I get the &quot;outcast struggling to free yourself from oppressive religion&quot; vibe.  I was in a job interview once, and someone saw &quot;Harvard Women&#039;s Law Journal--articles editor&quot; on my resume, and said &quot;I didn&#039;t think your church leaders would allow you to work on that journal.&quot;  I was sort of shocked that someone just came out and said that in an interview...but he seemed sort of impressed.  It was a fairly awkward moment...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, I understand about the mission on the resume dilemma.  It&#8217;s far enough in the past for me that I just put it in a general list of &#8220;volunteer work&#8221; at the end of my resume, but I do call it a mission.  Most people in D.C. in my line of work have had plenty of contact with Mormons, and so it&#8217;s not such a big surprise.  In my experience, it seems generally worse to try and mask things&#8211;but I&#8217;ve never worked in the Bible belt.</p>
<p>Elisabeth, I get the &#8220;outcast struggling to free yourself from oppressive religion&#8221; vibe.  I was in a job interview once, and someone saw &#8220;Harvard Women&#8217;s Law Journal&#8211;articles editor&#8221; on my resume, and said &#8220;I didn&#8217;t think your church leaders would allow you to work on that journal.&#8221;  I was sort of shocked that someone just came out and said that in an interview&#8230;but he seemed sort of impressed.  It was a fairly awkward moment&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Fratello Giovanni</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Fratello Giovanni]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Mar 2006 01:29:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I put my current calling on the resume and application when I applied for the job I have now.  I only did this because 1) I wanted to explain what I was doing at the time besides collecting unemployment, and 2) some of what I do for my calling (involving GIS) relates to my job.

I&#039;ve played around in the past with putting my mission on my resume, but I found it a little awkward to explain.  That round of unemployment (2002) I usually didn&#039;t bother since I&#039;d been home about eight years and I&#039;d done plenty since.

On the other hand, during that same round I sometimes listed my high school diploma on my resume.  If I didn&#039;t, people would often ask why someone who went to college in Utah and had mostly worked since in North Carolina would dare apply for a job in Delaware.  The diploma was evidence that I&#039;d grown up locally.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I put my current calling on the resume and application when I applied for the job I have now.  I only did this because 1) I wanted to explain what I was doing at the time besides collecting unemployment, and 2) some of what I do for my calling (involving GIS) relates to my job.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve played around in the past with putting my mission on my resume, but I found it a little awkward to explain.  That round of unemployment (2002) I usually didn&#8217;t bother since I&#8217;d been home about eight years and I&#8217;d done plenty since.</p>
<p>On the other hand, during that same round I sometimes listed my high school diploma on my resume.  If I didn&#8217;t, people would often ask why someone who went to college in Utah and had mostly worked since in North Carolina would dare apply for a job in Delaware.  The diploma was evidence that I&#8217;d grown up locally.</p>
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		<title>By: norm</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[norm]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Mar 2006 01:24:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[robert... no problem. the answer was the former. although i did attend summer school... so it was kinda like 3.5, and not exactly my choice either. i couldn&#039;t afford to stay any longer.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>robert&#8230; no problem. the answer was the former. although i did attend summer school&#8230; so it was kinda like 3.5, and not exactly my choice either. i couldn&#8217;t afford to stay any longer.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert C.</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Robert C.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Mar 2006 23:50:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[norm, that means you only spent 3 years in college, or 1 year on your mission.  If the former, nice job!  If the latter, please excuse the tactless question....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>norm, that means you only spent 3 years in college, or 1 year on your mission.  If the former, nice job!  If the latter, please excuse the tactless question&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: norm</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[norm]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Mar 2006 23:31:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve mostly had experiences where having mission on my resume hurt me.

That is, I&#039;ve had a few very awkward job interviews, and even a few where I was told that I couldn&#039;t be hired because of religion. (2 of these were overseas and 1 was as an SAT tutor where the classes were being held at a Chinese Church in LA).

I found things particularly difficult when I was recently off the mission and looking for part-time work during college. I had almost no work experience, except the mission, and thus every interview that experience (or the reason I&#039;d taken two years off school) were all people wanted to talk about.

it&#039;s now been years since then. I&#039;ve had one experience where being Mormon probably got me my job. but I no longer list my mission on the resume. People probably just assume I spent 5 years in college, and I&#039;m okay with that.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve mostly had experiences where having mission on my resume hurt me.</p>
<p>That is, I&#8217;ve had a few very awkward job interviews, and even a few where I was told that I couldn&#8217;t be hired because of religion. (2 of these were overseas and 1 was as an SAT tutor where the classes were being held at a Chinese Church in LA).</p>
<p>I found things particularly difficult when I was recently off the mission and looking for part-time work during college. I had almost no work experience, except the mission, and thus every interview that experience (or the reason I&#8217;d taken two years off school) were all people wanted to talk about.</p>
<p>it&#8217;s now been years since then. I&#8217;ve had one experience where being Mormon probably got me my job. but I no longer list my mission on the resume. People probably just assume I spent 5 years in college, and I&#8217;m okay with that.</p>
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