Any early present for Anti-Christ day: 6/6/06.
Did you know that Jesus was Lucifer? (That’ll get Ed Decker going.) Well, perhaps only in philological geekdom.
In 2 Peter 1:19, the “day star,” (Gk. phosphoros) is said to arise in our hearts when we receive the “more sure word of prophecy.” The reference is to Jesus. This “day star” (literally Venus), is called helel in Hebrew (see Isaiah 14:12 where it refers to the king of Babylon). The Latinized translation? “Lucifer.”
Because Jesus referred to the fall of “Satan” using the image of Venus’s brightness on the horizon (Luke 10:18), the epithet “Lucifer” has stuck for the demon we call the Devil.
It is interesting to note that the names we often take to be synonymous (for example, “devil,” “Satan,” “Beelzebub,” “Lucifer,” etc.) have separate and interesting philological origins.
June 5, 2006 at 3:22 pm
more sure word of prophecy
Here’s an example of the kind of Mormon funkiness that would be shorn of its context if we moved away from the KJV. NetBible: “the prophetic word as an altogether reliable thing.”
June 5, 2006 at 3:38 pm
“…have separate and interesting philological origins.”
And where might one find exactly what these distinctions are in a lazy fashion (i.e., please do go on)?
June 5, 2006 at 4:01 pm
I remember reading in a Latin poem, I want to say in the Odes of Horace, the line *lucifer et nocifer*, “bringer of day and bearer of night,” speaking of Venus as the evening and morning star.
June 5, 2006 at 4:04 pm
Bob,
You have to remember that these are not personal names, but epithets and titles, some of which did not originally denote a devil or the Devil. So, for example, “satan” in Hebrew can be the title of anyone who opposes someone else, be they David, an angel, or even God. Since there is no “devil” per se in the OT, it only later denoted “the Devil.”
June 5, 2006 at 5:25 pm
Ronan, how dare you! You know perfectly well that there was a devil in the Old Testament. The gospel never changes!!!
They also had the Word of Wisdom back then. I’m sure of it!!!! And Jello.
June 5, 2006 at 5:31 pm
RT,
I know, I’m wicked. Interestingly, the “satan” in Job jives well with Mormon theology which requires an agent provocateur to “test and try” mankind. But biblical scholars wouldn’t call this guy the Devil. For one thing, he and Yahweh are far too chummy.
June 5, 2006 at 9:02 pm
And, Ronan (#6), LDS theology would not allow God to place a bet, especially with Satan, who can just stroll into the celestial holy of holies apparently without even an appointment in the Book of Job.
June 6, 2006 at 12:51 am
Is there any convincing argument the Isaiah 14 figure who is:
1. Fallen from heaven
2. Wants to exalt his throne above the stars of God
3. Wants to be like the Most High
4. Made the world as a wilderness
5. Destroyed the cities / shook kingdoms
6. Is *not* a king of nations
7. Is cast out as an abominable branch
8. Shall inherit hell / “the pit”
is not at least a dual prophecy about the devil and the King of Babylon?
June 6, 2006 at 2:12 am
What’s philological mean? I’m too lazy to look it up. 8^D
I’m just kicking myself for sleeping through 1:23 am April 5th, 2006.
June 6, 2006 at 6:05 am
Mark,
Yep. Sounds like one of those nasty Mesopotamian kings.
Sarebear,
Philology: having to do with language and writing, linguistics.
June 6, 2006 at 9:37 am
Revelations 22:16:
June 6, 2006 at 9:48 am
greenfrog,
indeed!
June 6, 2006 at 9:59 am
When I was 15, my Mia Maid teacher read this list of titles (similar to the ones you’ve noted) and then she asked if anyone knew who it was she was describing. No one raised their hand. I thought, how stupid, it’s obviously Jesus. So I said it’s Jesus! She paused, looked at me very seriously and said, “No Amri, it’s Satan.”
I was mortified. Because I was a know-it-all and because I couldn’t imagine that Jesus and Satan were so closely linked. I sulked about it all day.
http://raptureready.com/rap2.html
to help you gauge if you’re ready for the rapture this 6.6.06.
June 6, 2006 at 10:03 am
Amri,
Check this out. Maybe it will make you feel better. Or maybe it won’t, but it’s funny regardless.
June 6, 2006 at 10:17 am
“I know the answer is Jesus, but it sure sounds like a squirrel to me.â€
My fav.
Thanks Frank.
June 6, 2006 at 1:45 pm
I just went to the grocery store and bought some bulk pumpkin seeds. Their bulk item number? 666.
Cuh-rap. I think I’m in trouble.
June 8, 2006 at 11:17 pm
Possessed pumpkin seeds! Those would grow into the Jack Skellington heads, and grimacing jack-(&jane)o-lanterns!!
You know how as a kid older ones would try to make you think a watermelon would grow in your tummy if you swallowed a seed accidentally?
Well, these are the pumpkin seeds that’d do JUST that (pumpkins, not watermelons!)
Thanks Ronan. And thanks people for putting up w/my sillyness!