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		<title>By: MRB</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2006/08/10/sunstone-2006/#comment-18517</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Aug 2006 17:39:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m interested in the conclusions that came out of the presentation of the various Joseph Smith biographies.  How has Bushman&#039;s book been received overall?  Has there been a local review of any substance of the book since its pubication in Nov 2004 (besides the one in the Nov 2005 Sunstone Magazine)?  I understand that many among BYU&#039;s religion faculty were not pleased with the book but I have no way to substantiate that.  Any responses would be appreciated.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m interested in the conclusions that came out of the presentation of the various Joseph Smith biographies.  How has Bushman&#8217;s book been received overall?  Has there been a local review of any substance of the book since its pubication in Nov 2004 (besides the one in the Nov 2005 Sunstone Magazine)?  I understand that many among BYU&#8217;s religion faculty were not pleased with the book but I have no way to substantiate that.  Any responses would be appreciated.</p>
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		<title>By: pjj</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2006/08/10/sunstone-2006/#comment-18516</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Aug 2006 17:55:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Kevin, now that I reread your comment, I see what you meant. I&#039;d just gotten home from Utah, and was apparently brain dead. I did feel comfortable talking about what they said since it was publicly announced, but was a little worried about accidentally reporting their words incorrectly. Since people sometimes really get smeared on the internet, I wouldn&#039;t want anything I said, re  their committment to the church to make someone else decide they&#039;re bad people.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Kevin, now that I reread your comment, I see what you meant. I&#8217;d just gotten home from Utah, and was apparently brain dead. I did feel comfortable talking about what they said since it was publicly announced, but was a little worried about accidentally reporting their words incorrectly. Since people sometimes really get smeared on the internet, I wouldn&#8217;t want anything I said, re  their committment to the church to make someone else decide they&#8217;re bad people.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Barney</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2006/08/10/sunstone-2006/#comment-18515</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kevin Barney]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Aug 2006 15:34:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks, pjj, I just wanted to know between the two of them which was the one more comfortable and which less comfortable with church, and you answered my question.  (Since this was a public presentation given by the Kimballs themselves and was recorded for sale, I don&#039;t view this as gossip at all.  And John F. is correct that I meant to say I met Tom&#039;s wife a couple of years ago, not that he did.)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, pjj, I just wanted to know between the two of them which was the one more comfortable and which less comfortable with church, and you answered my question.  (Since this was a public presentation given by the Kimballs themselves and was recorded for sale, I don&#8217;t view this as gossip at all.  And John F. is correct that I meant to say I met Tom&#8217;s wife a couple of years ago, not that he did.)</p>
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		<title>By: john f.</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2006/08/10/sunstone-2006/#comment-18514</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Aug 2006 15:01:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[pjj, Kevin said that he met Tom&#039;s wife a couple of years ago, not that Tom met his own wife a couple of years ago.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>pjj, Kevin said that he met Tom&#8217;s wife a couple of years ago, not that Tom met his own wife a couple of years ago.</p>
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		<title>By: pjj</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2006/08/10/sunstone-2006/#comment-18513</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Aug 2006 03:50:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Kevin, I kind of hate to speak for anyone else about the state of their belief in the church. And I&#039;m thinking that you might be mixed up about how they met-- I think Tom said that they met in Virginia about 15 years ago. My quick summary of how they described their marriage is that Tom has recently felt more and more comfort with the church, while his wife, Paige, has been having her own doubts, and is feeling less comfortable in the church. She&#039;s willing to keep going to church for him now, since he stayed somewhat active for her earlier.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kevin, I kind of hate to speak for anyone else about the state of their belief in the church. And I&#8217;m thinking that you might be mixed up about how they met&#8211; I think Tom said that they met in Virginia about 15 years ago. My quick summary of how they described their marriage is that Tom has recently felt more and more comfort with the church, while his wife, Paige, has been having her own doubts, and is feeling less comfortable in the church. She&#8217;s willing to keep going to church for him now, since he stayed somewhat active for her earlier.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Barney</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2006/08/10/sunstone-2006/#comment-18512</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kevin Barney]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Aug 2006 02:37:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[pjj, I wanted to go to the couples session, but I had a conflict.  I noticed that one of the couples in the session was Tom Kimball and his wife.  I know Tom and met his wife at MHA in Vermont a couple of years ago.  What was their situation as described in the session?  Just curious.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>pjj, I wanted to go to the couples session, but I had a conflict.  I noticed that one of the couples in the session was Tom Kimball and his wife.  I know Tom and met his wife at MHA in Vermont a couple of years ago.  What was their situation as described in the session?  Just curious.</p>
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		<title>By: pjj</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2006/08/10/sunstone-2006/#comment-18511</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Aug 2006 02:22:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;It seemed like everyone who went up to the mike didnâ€™t actually have a question, but just wanted to pontificate, droning on and on in an inarticulate way.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Well, the same could be said of Fast and Testimony meeting, in my ward. But the positive far outweighed the negative in the sessions I attended, and I&#039;m very glad I went. A couple of the sessions left me feeling much better about my own position in the church and reminded me of why I stay, despite the irritations-- particularly the &quot;Pillars of my Faith&quot; on Saturday night.  The session on couples who have different levels of belief/activity in the church was also very well-done without any complaining that I noticed. I&#039;m in that situation myself, and it was very comforting to me to hear from others in similar situations, even if there wasn&#039;t particularly any resolution to their situations.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>It seemed like everyone who went up to the mike didnâ€™t actually have a question, but just wanted to pontificate, droning on and on in an inarticulate way.</p></blockquote>
<p>Well, the same could be said of Fast and Testimony meeting, in my ward. But the positive far outweighed the negative in the sessions I attended, and I&#8217;m very glad I went. A couple of the sessions left me feeling much better about my own position in the church and reminded me of why I stay, despite the irritations&#8211; particularly the &#8220;Pillars of my Faith&#8221; on Saturday night.  The session on couples who have different levels of belief/activity in the church was also very well-done without any complaining that I noticed. I&#8217;m in that situation myself, and it was very comforting to me to hear from others in similar situations, even if there wasn&#8217;t particularly any resolution to their situations.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Barney</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2006/08/10/sunstone-2006/#comment-18510</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kevin Barney]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Aug 2006 22:55:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[J., I just thought of another detail Ed shared about the negotiation regarding his book.  He tells a story about a GA who went early to the dedication of a stake center or some other building on a Sunday.  They were working hard to get it ready for the ceremony, and were still laying sod on a Sunday when the GA arrived.  The GA complained to SWK, whose reply was &quot;Next time, don&#039;t go so early.&quot;  Deseret asked Ed to remove the name of the GA, and he agreed, since the specific identity of the GA involved didn&#039;t matter to the story.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>J., I just thought of another detail Ed shared about the negotiation regarding his book.  He tells a story about a GA who went early to the dedication of a stake center or some other building on a Sunday.  They were working hard to get it ready for the ceremony, and were still laying sod on a Sunday when the GA arrived.  The GA complained to SWK, whose reply was &#8220;Next time, don&#8217;t go so early.&#8221;  Deseret asked Ed to remove the name of the GA, and he agreed, since the specific identity of the GA involved didn&#8217;t matter to the story.</p>
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		<title>By: J. Stapley</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2006/08/10/sunstone-2006/#comment-18509</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Aug 2006 17:50:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;em&gt;There seems to be a lot of this â€œtypeâ€ at Sunstone, and it was annoying the hell out of me at that particular moment.&lt;/em&gt;

I was recently speaking with a non-Mormon scholar of Mormonism, who is well published and active in accademic circles.  I asked her if she ever attended SunStone and her response was basically that there was too much angst and whining for her tastes.  I&#039;m not sure how you temper that, but it is a bit of a problem, I think.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>There seems to be a lot of this â€œtypeâ€ at Sunstone, and it was annoying the hell out of me at that particular moment.</em></p>
<p>I was recently speaking with a non-Mormon scholar of Mormonism, who is well published and active in accademic circles.  I asked her if she ever attended SunStone and her response was basically that there was too much angst and whining for her tastes.  I&#8217;m not sure how you temper that, but it is a bit of a problem, I think.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Barney</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2006/08/10/sunstone-2006/#comment-18508</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kevin Barney]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Aug 2006 16:22:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m finally home from vacation and have regular internet access.  (I was doing the above at the hotel business center at $4.00/15 minutes, so I was trying to be as quick as possible.)

Here&#039;s what I did on Saturday:

- A very nice and positive presentation by Jennifer Jones on human sexuality.

- Carol Lynn Pearson&#039;s &lt;em&gt;Goodbye, I Love You &lt;/em&gt;Twenty Years Later.  (Her daughter Emily, who has been in the news recently over her own experience being married to a gay husband [Steven Fales, who was also at Sunstone, but I didn&#039;t attend his session], was there and made a comment or two.  She was sitting with a guy who was quite good looking and hunky, so you don&#039;t need to cry for her anymore.)

- Mormon Cinema at Six: A Progress Report.  This was an excellent panel on Mormon films, including the omnipresent Richard Dutcher, and a fine new addition to the fraternity, a recent convert named Kevin Foxe (producer of the &lt;em&gt;Blair Witch Project&lt;/em&gt;).  In another session they showed a clip from a movie he is working on, &lt;em&gt;The Joseph Smith Interviews&lt;/em&gt;, which I thought was excellent.

Although the panel itself was good, I got so annoyed during the Q&amp;A that I left early.  It seemed like everyone who went up to the mike didn&#039;t actually have a question, but just wanted to pontificate, droning on and on in an inarticulate way.  There seems to be a lot of this &quot;type&quot; at Sunstone, and it was annoying the hell out of me at that particular moment.

- Over the lunch break there was a fuller set by Bengt Washburn, doing a Mormon-themed stand-up routine.  He was very funny.

- I attended the session on Mormon urban legends by Bob Rees, with a response by Allen Roberts.  Bob focused on those arising after 9/11.

- Then I went to a great presentation on Hitchcock&#039;s Mormon Plot.  It focused on the presenter&#039;s journey to try to figure out why Hitch inserted several passages from the BoM in a funeral scene in his last movie, &lt;em&gt;Family Plot&lt;/em&gt;.  He had done his homework in film archives and with Hitch historians, and while there was really no way to know for sure, the journey was very fun.

- The last thing I went to was a film screening of &lt;em&gt;Peculiarities&lt;/em&gt;, by BYU playwrite Eric Samuelsen.  There was mixed reaction from the audience, but I liked it.  It was an interwoven collection of six stories, all centered around LDS phariseeisms regarding sex.  For instance, one of the stories was entitled &lt;em&gt;NCMO&lt;/em&gt;, for Non-Committal Make-Out.  Another was entitle &lt;em&gt;Tahoe&lt;/em&gt;.  Most people didn&#039;t understand this one, thinking it was about pregnancy or abortion.  I saw right away that it was about a couple who had gone to Tahoe, gotten married, had sex, gotten divorced or annulled, and then were driving back to Utah when we see them in the film.

That was it, I didn&#039;t attend the banquet that night.

I had a great time, saw some old friends and got to hang with others, enjoyed most of the sessions I attended, spent some time in the hotel pool, ate at the Spaghetti Factory in Trolley Square.  It doesn&#039;t get much better than that.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m finally home from vacation and have regular internet access.  (I was doing the above at the hotel business center at $4.00/15 minutes, so I was trying to be as quick as possible.)</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s what I did on Saturday:</p>
<p>- A very nice and positive presentation by Jennifer Jones on human sexuality.</p>
<p>- Carol Lynn Pearson&#8217;s <em>Goodbye, I Love You </em>Twenty Years Later.  (Her daughter Emily, who has been in the news recently over her own experience being married to a gay husband [Steven Fales, who was also at Sunstone, but I didn't attend his session], was there and made a comment or two.  She was sitting with a guy who was quite good looking and hunky, so you don&#8217;t need to cry for her anymore.)</p>
<p>- Mormon Cinema at Six: A Progress Report.  This was an excellent panel on Mormon films, including the omnipresent Richard Dutcher, and a fine new addition to the fraternity, a recent convert named Kevin Foxe (producer of the <em>Blair Witch Project</em>).  In another session they showed a clip from a movie he is working on, <em>The Joseph Smith Interviews</em>, which I thought was excellent.</p>
<p>Although the panel itself was good, I got so annoyed during the Q&#038;A that I left early.  It seemed like everyone who went up to the mike didn&#8217;t actually have a question, but just wanted to pontificate, droning on and on in an inarticulate way.  There seems to be a lot of this &#8220;type&#8221; at Sunstone, and it was annoying the hell out of me at that particular moment.</p>
<p>- Over the lunch break there was a fuller set by Bengt Washburn, doing a Mormon-themed stand-up routine.  He was very funny.</p>
<p>- I attended the session on Mormon urban legends by Bob Rees, with a response by Allen Roberts.  Bob focused on those arising after 9/11.</p>
<p>- Then I went to a great presentation on Hitchcock&#8217;s Mormon Plot.  It focused on the presenter&#8217;s journey to try to figure out why Hitch inserted several passages from the BoM in a funeral scene in his last movie, <em>Family Plot</em>.  He had done his homework in film archives and with Hitch historians, and while there was really no way to know for sure, the journey was very fun.</p>
<p>- The last thing I went to was a film screening of <em>Peculiarities</em>, by BYU playwrite Eric Samuelsen.  There was mixed reaction from the audience, but I liked it.  It was an interwoven collection of six stories, all centered around LDS phariseeisms regarding sex.  For instance, one of the stories was entitled <em>NCMO</em>, for Non-Committal Make-Out.  Another was entitle <em>Tahoe</em>.  Most people didn&#8217;t understand this one, thinking it was about pregnancy or abortion.  I saw right away that it was about a couple who had gone to Tahoe, gotten married, had sex, gotten divorced or annulled, and then were driving back to Utah when we see them in the film.</p>
<p>That was it, I didn&#8217;t attend the banquet that night.</p>
<p>I had a great time, saw some old friends and got to hang with others, enjoyed most of the sessions I attended, spent some time in the hotel pool, ate at the Spaghetti Factory in Trolley Square.  It doesn&#8217;t get much better than that.</p>
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