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		<title>By: DKL</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2006/09/01/books-i-have-a-testimony-of/#comment-100708</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Sep 2006 19:06:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have a testimony of Linux. Take a look at &lt;a href=&quot;http://linuxdorks.ytmnd.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this&lt;/a&gt;, guys.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a testimony of Linux. Take a look at <a href="http://linuxdorks.ytmnd.com/" rel="nofollow">this</a>, guys.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Done</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2006/09/01/books-i-have-a-testimony-of/#comment-100707</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Sep 2006 19:01:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Cchrissyy challenged (#49): â€œI donâ€™t see how â€œtestimonyâ€ can apply to fiction, but maybe somebody whoâ€™s said it will explain.â€ I will reply.

President Faust stated in the April 2006 conference: â€œIndeed, as the First Presidency stated
in 1978, we believe that â€˜the great religious leaders of the world such as Mohammed, Confucius, and the Reformers, as well as philosophers including Socrates, Plato, and others, received a portion of Godâ€™s light. Moral truths were given to them by God to enlighten whole nations and to bring a higher level of understanding to individuals.â€™â€ I believe great works of literature such as â€œThe Brothers Karamazovâ€ contains â€œmoral truthsâ€ and falls within the plain meaning of the First Presidencyâ€™s statement.

Indeed the New Testament supports this. Consider the parables of Jesus. Iâ€™ve heard no one claim that the â€œParable of the Prodigal Sonâ€ reports an actual occurrence. It does, however, teach great truths. In much the same manner, â€œThe Brothers Karamazovâ€ teaches great truths although it reports events that did not actually occur.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cchrissyy challenged (#49): â€œI donâ€™t see how â€œtestimonyâ€ can apply to fiction, but maybe somebody whoâ€™s said it will explain.â€ I will reply.</p>
<p>President Faust stated in the April 2006 conference: â€œIndeed, as the First Presidency stated<br />
in 1978, we believe that â€˜the great religious leaders of the world such as Mohammed, Confucius, and the Reformers, as well as philosophers including Socrates, Plato, and others, received a portion of Godâ€™s light. Moral truths were given to them by God to enlighten whole nations and to bring a higher level of understanding to individuals.â€™â€ I believe great works of literature such as â€œThe Brothers Karamazovâ€ contains â€œmoral truthsâ€ and falls within the plain meaning of the First Presidencyâ€™s statement.</p>
<p>Indeed the New Testament supports this. Consider the parables of Jesus. Iâ€™ve heard no one claim that the â€œParable of the Prodigal Sonâ€ reports an actual occurrence. It does, however, teach great truths. In much the same manner, â€œThe Brothers Karamazovâ€ teaches great truths although it reports events that did not actually occur.</p>
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		<title>By: Crystal</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2006/09/01/books-i-have-a-testimony-of/#comment-100706</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Sep 2006 05:41:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I was waiting for someone else to answer, but I think that &quot;testimony&quot; applies to the principles within the fiction, not the fiction itself.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was waiting for someone else to answer, but I think that &#8220;testimony&#8221; applies to the principles within the fiction, not the fiction itself.</p>
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		<title>By: cchrissyy</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2006/09/01/books-i-have-a-testimony-of/#comment-100705</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Sep 2006 16:53:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[jp,
To me it means that while reading and pondering the work, I was struck by how TRUE it was, how the writer was speaking truth to my spirit.
that&#039;s why CS Lewis jumped to mind, and why I was then ashamed to have forgotten &quot;Aproaching Zion&quot;, which hit me as strong as the scriptures with truth and need to make real life changes.
I don&#039;t see how &quot;testimony&quot; can apply to fiction, but maybe somebody who&#039;s said it will explain.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>jp,<br />
To me it means that while reading and pondering the work, I was struck by how TRUE it was, how the writer was speaking truth to my spirit.<br />
that&#8217;s why CS Lewis jumped to mind, and why I was then ashamed to have forgotten &#8220;Aproaching Zion&#8221;, which hit me as strong as the scriptures with truth and need to make real life changes.<br />
I don&#8217;t see how &#8220;testimony&#8221; can apply to fiction, but maybe somebody who&#8217;s said it will explain.</p>
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		<title>By: Crystal</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2006/09/01/books-i-have-a-testimony-of/#comment-100704</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Sep 2006 11:39:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I wouldn&#039;t really equate testiminy with warm and fuzzies. I&#039;ve never really felt particularly good about the things I have a testimony of (at least not in the burning in one&#039;s bossom, warm and fuzzy, gee, I love Jesus sense), and I don&#039;t think that&#039;s what people mean when they say they have a testimony of a certain book.

I would also second what RT said in the comment above mine.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wouldn&#8217;t really equate testiminy with warm and fuzzies. I&#8217;ve never really felt particularly good about the things I have a testimony of (at least not in the burning in one&#8217;s bossom, warm and fuzzy, gee, I love Jesus sense), and I don&#8217;t think that&#8217;s what people mean when they say they have a testimony of a certain book.</p>
<p>I would also second what RT said in the comment above mine.</p>
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		<title>By: RT/JNS</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Sep 2006 23:47:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[jp, good questions.  In my initial post, I actually meant to say that I had a testimony of the books I&#039;d listed in the sense that they had deepened and enriched my faith and my spirituality.  I clearly can&#039;t speak for the others in this thread--but these aren&#039;t just books that I like.  They&#039;re books that connect me with God.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>jp, good questions.  In my initial post, I actually meant to say that I had a testimony of the books I&#8217;d listed in the sense that they had deepened and enriched my faith and my spirituality.  I clearly can&#8217;t speak for the others in this thread&#8211;but these aren&#8217;t just books that I like.  They&#8217;re books that connect me with God.</p>
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		<title>By: gst</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Sep 2006 22:56:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have a testimony that the phone book is true, because sure enough there I am, Navin R. Johnson.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a testimony that the phone book is true, because sure enough there I am, Navin R. Johnson.</p>
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		<title>By: DKL</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2006/09/01/books-i-have-a-testimony-of/#comment-100701</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[DKL]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Sep 2006 21:18:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I testify to the truth of &lt;i&gt; Merriam-Webster&#039;s Collegiate Dictionary, 11th Edition&lt;/i&gt;. I cannot, however, vouch for &lt;i&gt;The American Heritage Dictionary&lt;/i&gt;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I testify to the truth of <i> Merriam-Webster&#8217;s Collegiate Dictionary, 11th Edition</i>. I cannot, however, vouch for <i>The American Heritage Dictionary</i>.</p>
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		<title>By: jp</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2006/09/01/books-i-have-a-testimony-of/#comment-100700</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Sep 2006 21:13:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think we&#039;ve all been brought up not to question other people&#039;s testimonies.  I&#039;m not quite sure why that is.  If someone says &quot;I believe that the Earth was literally created in seven twenty-four periods&quot;, it&#039;s OK to suggest that there might be another interpretation.  But once someone says they have a testimony of the same, no response is possible.

So, I feel really awkward saying this, but what is this testimony of fictitious (and non-fictitious) books that people claim to have?  Surely, we&#039;re not just saying the book has some amount of truth.  One might as easily have a testimony of the dictionary.  But then is a testimony simply that we get a warm and fuzzy feeling when we think of something?  That it has helped us to live better lives?  If so, do I have a testimony of Mahler?  Of my wedding pictures?  Of the blanket that my great-grandmother made for me?

Maybe, and maybe that&#039;s all a testimony should be -- a listing of things that give meaning to our lives.  There&#039;s something valuable about coming together once a month to share such lists.  Particularly if we recognize them as such, if I need not feel ashamed because Brother X has a testimony of XYZ and I don&#039;t.

But if a testimony is meant to be something more, then perhaps we should all be careful to reserve its use as such?  In fact, if a testimony is a declaration of faith, or knowledge that comes from faith, then it probably makes no sense to say:  &quot;I have a testimony of the Book of Mormon,&quot; but rather we should say something like: &quot;I have a testimony that the Book of Mormon is factually true&quot; or &quot;I have a testimony that the Book of Mormon can change lives.&quot;

By the same logic I would humbly submit that it would make little sense to say: &quot;I have a testimony of The Brothers Karamazov&quot;, although it might make sense to say: &quot;I have a testimony that The Brothers Karamazov better captures the human condition than any other book I&#039;ve read.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think we&#8217;ve all been brought up not to question other people&#8217;s testimonies.  I&#8217;m not quite sure why that is.  If someone says &#8220;I believe that the Earth was literally created in seven twenty-four periods&#8221;, it&#8217;s OK to suggest that there might be another interpretation.  But once someone says they have a testimony of the same, no response is possible.</p>
<p>So, I feel really awkward saying this, but what is this testimony of fictitious (and non-fictitious) books that people claim to have?  Surely, we&#8217;re not just saying the book has some amount of truth.  One might as easily have a testimony of the dictionary.  But then is a testimony simply that we get a warm and fuzzy feeling when we think of something?  That it has helped us to live better lives?  If so, do I have a testimony of Mahler?  Of my wedding pictures?  Of the blanket that my great-grandmother made for me?</p>
<p>Maybe, and maybe that&#8217;s all a testimony should be &#8212; a listing of things that give meaning to our lives.  There&#8217;s something valuable about coming together once a month to share such lists.  Particularly if we recognize them as such, if I need not feel ashamed because Brother X has a testimony of XYZ and I don&#8217;t.</p>
<p>But if a testimony is meant to be something more, then perhaps we should all be careful to reserve its use as such?  In fact, if a testimony is a declaration of faith, or knowledge that comes from faith, then it probably makes no sense to say:  &#8220;I have a testimony of the Book of Mormon,&#8221; but rather we should say something like: &#8220;I have a testimony that the Book of Mormon is factually true&#8221; or &#8220;I have a testimony that the Book of Mormon can change lives.&#8221;</p>
<p>By the same logic I would humbly submit that it would make little sense to say: &#8220;I have a testimony of The Brothers Karamazov&#8221;, although it might make sense to say: &#8220;I have a testimony that The Brothers Karamazov better captures the human condition than any other book I&#8217;ve read.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: dave</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Sep 2006 03:15:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Two books that I have a strong testimony of are F. Enzio Busche&#039;s Yearning for the Living God and Hugh B. Brown&#039;s memoir, An Abundant Life, edited by Edwin Firmage. After the second or third chapter, Brother Busche&#039;s book is a profound, completely can&#039;t-put-it-down exploration of spirituality; and Brother Brown&#039;s memoir was my first introduction to the intracacies of Church leadership from a very faithful but distinct voice.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Two books that I have a strong testimony of are F. Enzio Busche&#8217;s Yearning for the Living God and Hugh B. Brown&#8217;s memoir, An Abundant Life, edited by Edwin Firmage. After the second or third chapter, Brother Busche&#8217;s book is a profound, completely can&#8217;t-put-it-down exploration of spirituality; and Brother Brown&#8217;s memoir was my first introduction to the intracacies of Church leadership from a very faithful but distinct voice.</p>
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