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	<title>Comments on: Gender Imbalance In Mormon Studies</title>
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		<title>By: Times &#38; Seasons &#187; The Opportunity Cost of Publishing</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2006/09/02/gender-imbalance-in-mormon-studies/#comment-150174</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Times &#38; Seasons &#187; The Opportunity Cost of Publishing]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Oct 2006 15:36:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] In this excellent post, Rosalynde talks about the gender differences in subject material among Deseret Book writers. This renews the discussion brought up by Taryn Nelson-Seawright on the same difference existing in other Mormon outlets. Explanations abound for this phenomena, ranging from differing preferences to piggy discrimination, but most of them are sort of boring. Here&#8217;s one that is at least slightly more interesting:  Suppose there are two kinds of writing, which we&#8217;ll call A and B. When men and women talk about A in an informed way, what they say is pretty much the same. An example would be a proof of the intermediate value theorem. The proof runs pretty much the same no matter the gender of the speaker. Type B things on the other hand, are much more subjective, and so tend to vary some by gender. Poetry or fiction tends to vary depending on the author&#8217;s personal characteristics, of which gender is a big one. What this means is that type A is unified, but type B can be divided into Bm and Bf, to be very simplistic. Thus there are now three kinds of writing, A, Bf, and Bm. [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] In this excellent post, Rosalynde talks about the gender differences in subject material among Deseret Book writers. This renews the discussion brought up by Taryn Nelson-Seawright on the same difference existing in other Mormon outlets. Explanations abound for this phenomena, ranging from differing preferences to piggy discrimination, but most of them are sort of boring. Here&#8217;s one that is at least slightly more interesting:  Suppose there are two kinds of writing, which we&#8217;ll call A and B. When men and women talk about A in an informed way, what they say is pretty much the same. An example would be a proof of the intermediate value theorem. The proof runs pretty much the same no matter the gender of the speaker. Type B things on the other hand, are much more subjective, and so tend to vary some by gender. Poetry or fiction tends to vary depending on the author&#8217;s personal characteristics, of which gender is a big one. What this means is that type A is unified, but type B can be divided into Bm and Bf, to be very simplistic. Thus there are now three kinds of writing, A, Bf, and Bm. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Julie M. Smith</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2006/09/02/gender-imbalance-in-mormon-studies/#comment-150173</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Julie M. Smith]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Sep 2006 22:04:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;As long as Mormon women are encouraged from the pulpit to bear as many children as they can (whatever that might mean in practice) and stay home with them, the numbers of Mormon women publishing are unlikely to change.&quot;

You say that as if it were a bad thing :).  I feel blessed to live in the Age of Pre-Shredded Cheese and Wrinkle-Free Dockers--a time when the demands of housekeeping are such that I don&#039;t think it unreasonable to pursue another serious interest while mothering.  In other words, I have it a heck of a lot easier than Juanita Brooks or even Laurel Thatcher Ulrich did.  I had the shocking experience once of sitting down with an academic whose children were the same age as mine and realizing that I actually had more hours per week to devote to research than she did.  I&#039;ve posted before--

http://www.timesandseasons.org/?p=2251

--on the interplay of mothering and religious scholarship.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;As long as Mormon women are encouraged from the pulpit to bear as many children as they can (whatever that might mean in practice) and stay home with them, the numbers of Mormon women publishing are unlikely to change.&#8221;</p>
<p>You say that as if it were a bad thing :).  I feel blessed to live in the Age of Pre-Shredded Cheese and Wrinkle-Free Dockers&#8211;a time when the demands of housekeeping are such that I don&#8217;t think it unreasonable to pursue another serious interest while mothering.  In other words, I have it a heck of a lot easier than Juanita Brooks or even Laurel Thatcher Ulrich did.  I had the shocking experience once of sitting down with an academic whose children were the same age as mine and realizing that I actually had more hours per week to devote to research than she did.  I&#8217;ve posted before&#8211;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.timesandseasons.org/?p=2251" rel="nofollow">http://www.timesandseasons.org/?p=2251</a></p>
<p>&#8211;on the interplay of mothering and religious scholarship.</p>
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		<title>By: D. Fletcher</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2006/09/02/gender-imbalance-in-mormon-studies/#comment-150172</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[D. Fletcher]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Sep 2006 20:17:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Though not LDS, I think y&#039;all might be interested in the story of Abigail Thomas, in her brand new memoir. She is my next-door neighbor, and her husband&#039;s accident was close by our apartment building on Riverside Drive.

http://search.barnesandnoble.com/booksearch/isbninquiry.asp?ean=9780151012114&amp;z=y#REV]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Though not LDS, I think y&#8217;all might be interested in the story of Abigail Thomas, in her brand new memoir. She is my next-door neighbor, and her husband&#8217;s accident was close by our apartment building on Riverside Drive.</p>
<p><a href="http://search.barnesandnoble.com/booksearch/isbninquiry.asp?ean=9780151012114&#038;z=y#REV" rel="nofollow">http://search.barnesandnoble.com/booksearch/isbninquiry.asp?ean=9780151012114&#038;z=y#REV</a></p>
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		<title>By: Mark B.</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2006/09/02/gender-imbalance-in-mormon-studies/#comment-150171</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mark B.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Sep 2006 18:39:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[We should just let J review it all.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We should just let J review it all.</p>
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		<title>By: DKL</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2006/09/02/gender-imbalance-in-mormon-studies/#comment-150170</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[DKL]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Sep 2006 17:29:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The problem that I have with double blind judgments is that they box God out of the equation. One of the great handicaps of omniscience is that it disqualifies participation in activities that requires double-blind participants. Personally, I&#039;d like to see a more inclusive approach than this.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem that I have with double blind judgments is that they box God out of the equation. One of the great handicaps of omniscience is that it disqualifies participation in activities that requires double-blind participants. Personally, I&#8217;d like to see a more inclusive approach than this.</p>
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		<title>By: john f.</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2006/09/02/gender-imbalance-in-mormon-studies/#comment-150169</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[john f.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Sep 2006 16:06:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[BYU Studies has a double blind review process.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BYU Studies has a double blind review process.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark B.</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2006/09/02/gender-imbalance-in-mormon-studies/#comment-150168</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mark B.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Sep 2006 16:02:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The real question (which has been sitting unasked for nearly 48 hours) is whether any of the &quot;J&quot; named permabloggers at BCC are the same &quot;J&quot; who wrote &lt;em&gt;The Sensuous Woman.&lt;/em&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The real question (which has been sitting unasked for nearly 48 hours) is whether any of the &#8220;J&#8221; named permabloggers at BCC are the same &#8220;J&#8221; who wrote <em>The Sensuous Woman.</em></p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Barney</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2006/09/02/gender-imbalance-in-mormon-studies/#comment-150167</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kevin Barney]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Sep 2006 14:40:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[LRC, both BYU Studies and Dialogue engage in blind peer review.  At least, I have served as a blind peer reviewer for both journals on occasion.  But as you rightly say, sometimes one can figure out who the author is, so the blind part doesn&#039;t always hold.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LRC, both BYU Studies and Dialogue engage in blind peer review.  At least, I have served as a blind peer reviewer for both journals on occasion.  But as you rightly say, sometimes one can figure out who the author is, so the blind part doesn&#8217;t always hold.</p>
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		<title>By: Melissa</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2006/09/02/gender-imbalance-in-mormon-studies/#comment-150166</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Melissa]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Sep 2006 14:15:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hmm. Sorry to have missed this lively discussion when it was happening in real time. I&#039;ve been traveling and away from easy access to a computer for several days and now am too busy working on my . . . wait for it . . . Mormon Studies dissertation to read the whole thread. ;)

Taryn, worry not. I was not trying to weasle the name of the person out of you. I asked in a hypothetical way because I trying to get a better sense of what your question really was so that I could answer it more specifically. The reasons why women might not be publishing at Signature, for example, are slightly different than the reasons they might not be publishing at University of Illinois Press.

As we&#039;ve discussed at length in the bloggernacle, there is still some concern about publishing with Sunstone, Dialogue, and Signature (three of major sources of &quot;Mormon Studies&quot; publishing). I think that women might especially feel that concern for a variety of good reasons that I won&#039;t go into now.

The reasons why women aren&#039;t publishing &quot;Mormon Studies&quot; pieces in other venues (academic journals, university presses, etc.) may overlap with the reasons they don&#039;t publish in Sunstone, etc., but I don&#039;t think it&#039;s exactly the same problem because other issues are involved. To produce quality work publishable by a university press one must have achieved a certain level of expertise and rigor as a scholar which usually requires extensive academic training and  consistent concentrated time to research and write. Most Mormon women simply do not have such time or training. As long as Mormon women are encouraged from the pulpit to bear as many children as they can (whatever that might mean in practice) and stay home with them, the numbers of Mormon women publishing are unlikely to change.

In other words, while a woman might have the time and ability to write an article for Sunstone, she is disinclined to do so. By contrast, a woman might be very interested in producing a manuscript for serious publication but be constrained in her time or training to pull it off.

As is obvious, since &quot;Mormon Studies&quot;* is still obscure in the academy the number of non-LDS women publishing in the subfield remains insignificant.

*I put &quot;Mormon Studies&quot; in scare quotes because the question of area studies in the field of religion is a hotly contested one. Many discredit the zoo model of religious studies, and I think rightly so.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm. Sorry to have missed this lively discussion when it was happening in real time. I&#8217;ve been traveling and away from easy access to a computer for several days and now am too busy working on my . . . wait for it . . . Mormon Studies dissertation to read the whole thread. ;)</p>
<p>Taryn, worry not. I was not trying to weasle the name of the person out of you. I asked in a hypothetical way because I trying to get a better sense of what your question really was so that I could answer it more specifically. The reasons why women might not be publishing at Signature, for example, are slightly different than the reasons they might not be publishing at University of Illinois Press.</p>
<p>As we&#8217;ve discussed at length in the bloggernacle, there is still some concern about publishing with Sunstone, Dialogue, and Signature (three of major sources of &#8220;Mormon Studies&#8221; publishing). I think that women might especially feel that concern for a variety of good reasons that I won&#8217;t go into now.</p>
<p>The reasons why women aren&#8217;t publishing &#8220;Mormon Studies&#8221; pieces in other venues (academic journals, university presses, etc.) may overlap with the reasons they don&#8217;t publish in Sunstone, etc., but I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s exactly the same problem because other issues are involved. To produce quality work publishable by a university press one must have achieved a certain level of expertise and rigor as a scholar which usually requires extensive academic training and  consistent concentrated time to research and write. Most Mormon women simply do not have such time or training. As long as Mormon women are encouraged from the pulpit to bear as many children as they can (whatever that might mean in practice) and stay home with them, the numbers of Mormon women publishing are unlikely to change.</p>
<p>In other words, while a woman might have the time and ability to write an article for Sunstone, she is disinclined to do so. By contrast, a woman might be very interested in producing a manuscript for serious publication but be constrained in her time or training to pull it off.</p>
<p>As is obvious, since &#8220;Mormon Studies&#8221;* is still obscure in the academy the number of non-LDS women publishing in the subfield remains insignificant.</p>
<p>*I put &#8220;Mormon Studies&#8221; in scare quotes because the question of area studies in the field of religion is a hotly contested one. Many discredit the zoo model of religious studies, and I think rightly so.</p>
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		<title>By: LRC</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2006/09/02/gender-imbalance-in-mormon-studies/#comment-150165</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[LRC]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Sep 2006 04:44:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Taryn - Do you have access to copies of the Journal of Mormon History where you could review them in a similar fashion?  It would be interesting to look at the gender balance issues at the MHA&#039;s journal, as submissions (not book reviews, though) are reviewed on a &quot;blind&quot; basis - the JMH reviewers are not supposed to know who the authors are when they are reviewing articles for inclusion in the publication.  (Due to the relatively small numbers of people publishing scholarly Mormon Studies, though, sometimes it&#039;s not hard to figure out who wrote a particular article, however.)

MHA reviewers make suggestions to the editor about whether they believe articles should be published or not, and whether articles need lots of revisions or not.  The editor makes the final decision about publication and probably knows who wrote each article, but the JMH at least has an approach that aims at ridding itself of things like gender bias (and, for that matter, &quot;well-known author&quot; bias (i.e., Mike Quinn or Jill Derr wrote it so it must be well done)).

I don&#039;t know about BYU Studies, but I&#039;m pretty sure Dialogue submissions are not read in this manner.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Taryn &#8211; Do you have access to copies of the Journal of Mormon History where you could review them in a similar fashion?  It would be interesting to look at the gender balance issues at the MHA&#8217;s journal, as submissions (not book reviews, though) are reviewed on a &#8220;blind&#8221; basis &#8211; the JMH reviewers are not supposed to know who the authors are when they are reviewing articles for inclusion in the publication.  (Due to the relatively small numbers of people publishing scholarly Mormon Studies, though, sometimes it&#8217;s not hard to figure out who wrote a particular article, however.)</p>
<p>MHA reviewers make suggestions to the editor about whether they believe articles should be published or not, and whether articles need lots of revisions or not.  The editor makes the final decision about publication and probably knows who wrote each article, but the JMH at least has an approach that aims at ridding itself of things like gender bias (and, for that matter, &#8220;well-known author&#8221; bias (i.e., Mike Quinn or Jill Derr wrote it so it must be well done)).</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know about BYU Studies, but I&#8217;m pretty sure Dialogue submissions are not read in this manner.</p>
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