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		<title>By: Naismith</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2006/09/26/is-there-work-that-is-unworthy-of-me/#comment-132737</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Sep 2006 11:28:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;I also want to add one more thought about â€œoutsourcingâ€ â€˜homeâ€™ work; by having my â€œassistantâ€ do daily chores, it greatly increases the amount of time I have to spend with my children, rather than saying, â€œI canâ€™t, I have to cook/do dishes/do this laundryâ€ etc&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Bingo.  This is our primary motivation for having cleaning help.

The other reason for us is that we cook and bake, and cooking a meal is a major part of our entertainment with friends.  My husband is away a fair bit for work, and when we are all in town, we want to eat at home.  We very rarely eat out.

If we didn&#039;t have cleaning help, I would rely on eating out/convenience foods more often, to cut down on the kitchen mess.  So what we spend in cleaning fees is partially offset by lower costs for food (as well as better nutrition value).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I also want to add one more thought about â€œoutsourcingâ€ â€˜homeâ€™ work; by having my â€œassistantâ€ do daily chores, it greatly increases the amount of time I have to spend with my children, rather than saying, â€œI canâ€™t, I have to cook/do dishes/do this laundryâ€ etc</p></blockquote>
<p>Bingo.  This is our primary motivation for having cleaning help.</p>
<p>The other reason for us is that we cook and bake, and cooking a meal is a major part of our entertainment with friends.  My husband is away a fair bit for work, and when we are all in town, we want to eat at home.  We very rarely eat out.</p>
<p>If we didn&#8217;t have cleaning help, I would rely on eating out/convenience foods more often, to cut down on the kitchen mess.  So what we spend in cleaning fees is partially offset by lower costs for food (as well as better nutrition value).</p>
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		<title>By: Megan</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Megan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Sep 2006 06:24:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wendell Berry wrote a book called &lt;em&gt;The Hidden Wound&lt;/em&gt; about slavery and racism in America. In the book, he discusses, among other things, the commonly held belief that housework and work on the land (farming) are somehow less valuable than other types of work. The book changed my perceptions about all types of work and their inherent value. Even if you don&#039;t agree with his ideas, his way of thinking about the world is so startling different from anything else that&#039;s out there; he&#039;s worth checking out. I&#039;d also highly recommend his essay, &quot;Feminism, the Body, and the Machine&quot; along with everything else he&#039;s written.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wendell Berry wrote a book called <em>The Hidden Wound</em> about slavery and racism in America. In the book, he discusses, among other things, the commonly held belief that housework and work on the land (farming) are somehow less valuable than other types of work. The book changed my perceptions about all types of work and their inherent value. Even if you don&#8217;t agree with his ideas, his way of thinking about the world is so startling different from anything else that&#8217;s out there; he&#8217;s worth checking out. I&#8217;d also highly recommend his essay, &#8220;Feminism, the Body, and the Machine&#8221; along with everything else he&#8217;s written.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Butler</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mark Butler]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Sep 2006 05:07:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well, when I do dishes, I think of the thermal properties of liquids, and surface tension, and wettability, and those little ambidextrous soap molecules, and the most elegant symmetry I can stack / arrange the dishes in, and what principles govern the perception thereof, and so on.

Much more interesting that way - it is just like when I drive a car, I practice polynomial interpolation, and more things no one wants to hear about (global optimization mostly).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, when I do dishes, I think of the thermal properties of liquids, and surface tension, and wettability, and those little ambidextrous soap molecules, and the most elegant symmetry I can stack / arrange the dishes in, and what principles govern the perception thereof, and so on.</p>
<p>Much more interesting that way &#8211; it is just like when I drive a car, I practice polynomial interpolation, and more things no one wants to hear about (global optimization mostly).</p>
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		<title>By: meems</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[meems]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Sep 2006 03:57:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I also want to add one more thought about &quot;outsourcing&quot; &#039;home&#039; work; by having my &quot;assistant&quot; do daily chores, it greatly increases the amount of time I have to spend with my children, rather than saying, &quot;I can&#039;t, I have to cook/do dishes/do this laundry&quot; etc.  I have the luxury of coming home from work, helping my daughter with her homework, playing a board game with the kids before dinner, or *gasp* going out grocery shopping for some &quot;me time.&quot;  :-)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I also want to add one more thought about &#8220;outsourcing&#8221; &#8216;home&#8217; work; by having my &#8220;assistant&#8221; do daily chores, it greatly increases the amount of time I have to spend with my children, rather than saying, &#8220;I can&#8217;t, I have to cook/do dishes/do this laundry&#8221; etc.  I have the luxury of coming home from work, helping my daughter with her homework, playing a board game with the kids before dinner, or *gasp* going out grocery shopping for some &#8220;me time.&#8221;  :-)</p>
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		<title>By: Susan M</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Susan M]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Sep 2006 03:31:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There&#039;s a difference between not liking housework and thinking it&#039;s beneath you. I hate housework. I envy people who enjoy it. I&#039;m also completely puzzled by them. The idea of doing dishes and having to sit there thinking only of doing dishes sounds like torture to me.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s a difference between not liking housework and thinking it&#8217;s beneath you. I hate housework. I envy people who enjoy it. I&#8217;m also completely puzzled by them. The idea of doing dishes and having to sit there thinking only of doing dishes sounds like torture to me.</p>
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		<title>By: J. Stapley</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[J. Stapley]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Sep 2006 03:26:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dude, the sum of all my aspirations is to make enough money never to have to do any home repairs myself.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dude, the sum of all my aspirations is to make enough money never to have to do any home repairs myself.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark IV</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mark IV]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Sep 2006 03:24:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hmmm.  I&#039;ve been following this thread and thinking of housework, and thinking that it is more or less a good idea to clean up after ourselves, and that I would probably fell some vague sense of guilt about paying somebody to do the laundry or clean the floors.  But I don&#039;t feel guilty at all about paying to have my lawn taken care of.  And it just occurred to me that I have a long list of home maintenance tasks which I would LOVE to outsource to anyone crazy enough to do them.  I need to repair the rain gutters (30 feet above the ground) this weekend.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmm.  I&#8217;ve been following this thread and thinking of housework, and thinking that it is more or less a good idea to clean up after ourselves, and that I would probably fell some vague sense of guilt about paying somebody to do the laundry or clean the floors.  But I don&#8217;t feel guilty at all about paying to have my lawn taken care of.  And it just occurred to me that I have a long list of home maintenance tasks which I would LOVE to outsource to anyone crazy enough to do them.  I need to repair the rain gutters (30 feet above the ground) this weekend.</p>
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		<title>By: Idahospud</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Idahospud]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Sep 2006 03:08:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Great post.

I have resisted getting any kind of cleaning help over the years--my reasoning was that I wanted my children to see me working at home to keep our place clean, and also to teach them to do it.

Now, however, I&#039;m swamped--homeschooling with six kids home all day; even with regular chores for all of us, there are some things I simply never get to, like gunky window tracks and dusty picture frames.  So I&#039;m thinking of hiring someone for two hours a week--and I think it will teach my children that when you need help, you get it, instead of stressing out and kicking yourself for not being able to do it all.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post.</p>
<p>I have resisted getting any kind of cleaning help over the years&#8211;my reasoning was that I wanted my children to see me working at home to keep our place clean, and also to teach them to do it.</p>
<p>Now, however, I&#8217;m swamped&#8211;homeschooling with six kids home all day; even with regular chores for all of us, there are some things I simply never get to, like gunky window tracks and dusty picture frames.  So I&#8217;m thinking of hiring someone for two hours a week&#8211;and I think it will teach my children that when you need help, you get it, instead of stressing out and kicking yourself for not being able to do it all.</p>
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		<title>By: Naismith</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Naismith]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Sep 2006 03:07:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Our family has a cleaning person who comes weekly.  The decision to do this was based on many influences.  One was Brent Barlow&#039;s book, Twelve Traps in Today&#039;s Marriage.  He talks about their miserable experience of painting their own house to save money, and the tension it caused, and how hiring a painter was the best investment for their marriage.  I frankly don&#039;t see how hiring out housework is any different than hiring a professional painter.

Another factor is that my husband served a mission, and I later lived, in countries where it would be considered selfish NOT to hire a cleaning person, because you&#039;d be depriving somebody of a job.

My children absolutely do know how to clean house.  Our cleaning specialist focuses on the kitchen, bathrooms, front hall and family room.  Unless I request it, she doesn&#039;t set foot in the living room or either office or the kids bedrooms, so there is plenty to do on the weekends.  She also doesn&#039;t do deep annual cleaning projects (windows, etc.).  Also, she is a friend, and understands our values, so when I put a note on a stack of dirty dishes asking her NOT to touch them because a child needed to take care of them, she respected that.

We clean the chapel twice a year and don&#039;t think cleaning is below us in the least.  We just don&#039;t have time to do it in the typical work week.

As to the &quot;service&quot; argument, we didn&#039;t have a cleaning person with our older children and I didn&#039;t see more frequent acts of service then, except from me:) and I never thought of it as service per se.  Dad and kids still set and clear the table and do dishes.

My cleaning person is paid a fee that is about the same as our flute teacher, so I don&#039;t think she is being taken advantage of--and indeed, she has thanked us for the work several times.

I don&#039;t see any moral superiority in scrubbing one&#039;s own floors.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Our family has a cleaning person who comes weekly.  The decision to do this was based on many influences.  One was Brent Barlow&#8217;s book, Twelve Traps in Today&#8217;s Marriage.  He talks about their miserable experience of painting their own house to save money, and the tension it caused, and how hiring a painter was the best investment for their marriage.  I frankly don&#8217;t see how hiring out housework is any different than hiring a professional painter.</p>
<p>Another factor is that my husband served a mission, and I later lived, in countries where it would be considered selfish NOT to hire a cleaning person, because you&#8217;d be depriving somebody of a job.</p>
<p>My children absolutely do know how to clean house.  Our cleaning specialist focuses on the kitchen, bathrooms, front hall and family room.  Unless I request it, she doesn&#8217;t set foot in the living room or either office or the kids bedrooms, so there is plenty to do on the weekends.  She also doesn&#8217;t do deep annual cleaning projects (windows, etc.).  Also, she is a friend, and understands our values, so when I put a note on a stack of dirty dishes asking her NOT to touch them because a child needed to take care of them, she respected that.</p>
<p>We clean the chapel twice a year and don&#8217;t think cleaning is below us in the least.  We just don&#8217;t have time to do it in the typical work week.</p>
<p>As to the &#8220;service&#8221; argument, we didn&#8217;t have a cleaning person with our older children and I didn&#8217;t see more frequent acts of service then, except from me:) and I never thought of it as service per se.  Dad and kids still set and clear the table and do dishes.</p>
<p>My cleaning person is paid a fee that is about the same as our flute teacher, so I don&#8217;t think she is being taken advantage of&#8211;and indeed, she has thanked us for the work several times.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t see any moral superiority in scrubbing one&#8217;s own floors.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Butler</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mark Butler]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Sep 2006 03:00:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I generally like housework.  Once I get into the spirit of it, it is as enjoyable as gardening, or exercise, or any other noble labor.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I generally like housework.  Once I get into the spirit of it, it is as enjoyable as gardening, or exercise, or any other noble labor.</p>
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