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	<title>Comments on: Review: Phillips, &#8220;Rethinking Expansion&#8221;</title>
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		<title>By: Clark</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2006/10/21/review-phillips-rethinking-expansion/#comment-51359</link>
		<dc:creator>Clark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Oct 2006 00:07:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the problem is we worry about the wrong people sometimes.  That is we&#039;re so worried about offending tender hearted spirits who are offended at any trial of faith that we might drive away those who, with a little counseling, would be the strong.

Personally I think Church history and the scriptures suggests a little winnowing is a good thing.  We can proclaim the gospel and help people gain a testimony.  But ultimately it is an individual thing what to do with that testimony.  Ultimately religion is a very personal and self-motivated endeavor.  I think we err when we make religion seem so passive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the problem is we worry about the wrong people sometimes.  That is we&#8217;re so worried about offending tender hearted spirits who are offended at any trial of faith that we might drive away those who, with a little counseling, would be the strong.</p>
<p>Personally I think Church history and the scriptures suggests a little winnowing is a good thing.  We can proclaim the gospel and help people gain a testimony.  But ultimately it is an individual thing what to do with that testimony.  Ultimately religion is a very personal and self-motivated endeavor.  I think we err when we make religion seem so passive.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2006/10/21/review-phillips-rethinking-expansion/#comment-51358</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Oct 2006 23:55:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And I agree with you Matt.</description>
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		<title>By: Matt W.</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2006/10/21/review-phillips-rethinking-expansion/#comment-51357</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt W.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Oct 2006 17:31:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dave, I do agree with you, but I do think we could imporve our effotrs to &quot;do everything right&quot; nonetheless...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave, I do agree with you, but I do think we could imporve our effotrs to &#8220;do everything right&#8221; nonetheless&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Clark</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2006/10/21/review-phillips-rethinking-expansion/#comment-51356</link>
		<dc:creator>Clark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Oct 2006 17:11:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well said Dave.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well said Dave.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2006/10/21/review-phillips-rethinking-expansion/#comment-51355</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Oct 2006 01:41:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How many people started out as followers of the Savior when he was on the earth, but then turned away?  I&#039;m not trying to say that we shouldn&#039;t increase our efforts in activation and retention, just that sometimes we can do everything right and people are still going to fall away.  It&#039;s called agency.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How many people started out as followers of the Savior when he was on the earth, but then turned away?  I&#8217;m not trying to say that we shouldn&#8217;t increase our efforts in activation and retention, just that sometimes we can do everything right and people are still going to fall away.  It&#8217;s called agency.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt W.</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2006/10/21/review-phillips-rethinking-expansion/#comment-51354</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt W.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Oct 2006 14:42:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Inequality, your statement reminds of Mohammed&#039;s
&quot;A reed that never bends breaks&quot;

I think going to church doesn&#039;t have much to do with how &quot;wound&quot; one is.

Church Attendance is really easy. It&#039;s like paying tithing or obeying the word of wisdom.

J. - thanks for the compliment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Inequality, your statement reminds of Mohammed&#8217;s<br />
&#8220;A reed that never bends breaks&#8221;</p>
<p>I think going to church doesn&#8217;t have much to do with how &#8220;wound&#8221; one is.</p>
<p>Church Attendance is really easy. It&#8217;s like paying tithing or obeying the word of wisdom.</p>
<p>J. &#8211; thanks for the compliment.</p>
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		<title>By: Hellmut</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2006/10/21/review-phillips-rethinking-expansion/#comment-51353</link>
		<dc:creator>Hellmut</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Oct 2006 12:19:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;And, of course, abundant evidence shows that Latter-day Saints in Utah have far higher levels of religious participationâ€“no matter how you measure itâ€“than Latter-day Saints elsewhere, and this has probably been true for at least 40 years. (The motivations for their high church activity is subject to interpretation.) Moreover, within Utah itself, the larger the percent Mormon in a given county, the higher the level of LDS church participation in that county.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

That makes sense.  Any community organizer can tell you that unless you can pay staff, you have to rely on people&#039;s personal relationships to get them to work.

Relationships define people.  If there are few alternatives to Mormon relationships then you won&#039;t have status, sex, or access to resources unless you attend Mormon activities.

Of course, nobody thinks that way.  But people are seldom aware of the incentives that shape their behavior.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>And, of course, abundant evidence shows that Latter-day Saints in Utah have far higher levels of religious participationâ€“no matter how you measure itâ€“than Latter-day Saints elsewhere, and this has probably been true for at least 40 years. (The motivations for their high church activity is subject to interpretation.) Moreover, within Utah itself, the larger the percent Mormon in a given county, the higher the level of LDS church participation in that county.</p></blockquote>
<p>That makes sense.  Any community organizer can tell you that unless you can pay staff, you have to rely on people&#8217;s personal relationships to get them to work.</p>
<p>Relationships define people.  If there are few alternatives to Mormon relationships then you won&#8217;t have status, sex, or access to resources unless you attend Mormon activities.</p>
<p>Of course, nobody thinks that way.  But people are seldom aware of the incentives that shape their behavior.</p>
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		<title>By: J. Stapley</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2006/10/21/review-phillips-rethinking-expansion/#comment-51352</link>
		<dc:creator>J. Stapley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Oct 2006 23:41:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, I am fairly certain that the Prophet Joseph would be moved by Matt&#039;s devotion.  I am.  Perhaps you aught to think about winding yours up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, I am fairly certain that the Prophet Joseph would be moved by Matt&#8217;s devotion.  I am.  Perhaps you aught to think about winding yours up.</p>
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		<title>By: Inequality</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2006/10/21/review-phillips-rethinking-expansion/#comment-51351</link>
		<dc:creator>Inequality</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Oct 2006 23:23:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;(I have missed church twice in 8 years, once for a hurricane, once for a blizzard. Both times Church was cancelled and I found out in the Hurricane by reading the flyer pasted to the window of the church.)&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Matt, dude, chill.  Remember what the Prophet Joseph Smith said: a bow that is never unwound will lose its spring.  Unwind the bow, my man!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>(I have missed church twice in 8 years, once for a hurricane, once for a blizzard. Both times Church was cancelled and I found out in the Hurricane by reading the flyer pasted to the window of the church.)</p></blockquote>
<p>Matt, dude, chill.  Remember what the Prophet Joseph Smith said: a bow that is never unwound will lose its spring.  Unwind the bow, my man!</p>
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		<title>By: Matt W.</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2006/10/21/review-phillips-rethinking-expansion/#comment-51350</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt W.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Oct 2006 21:31:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rick, I&#039;d still love an answer to 122, but your last post raises enven more questions.

First let me say I am a convert, and genuinely hope and feel I am an outlier in your demographics (I have missed church twice in 8 years, once for a hurricane, once for a blizzard. Both times Church was cancelled and I found out in the Hurricane by reading the flyer pasted to the window of the church.)

That said, does it stand to reason that 1st gen. converts hold better retention rates in more LDS populous areas? Does Population LDS per Capita make a difference, and could this be analyzed for ward size? If I am house shopping in San Antonio, should I look for the Ward boundries that have the most LDS is the smallest area?

Personally, I think I have been helped by adopting my wife&#039;s &quot;pioneer ancestry&quot; - (She is 3rd generation Texas LDS, but they have some of the best conversion stories I&#039;ve ever heard.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rick, I&#8217;d still love an answer to 122, but your last post raises enven more questions.</p>
<p>First let me say I am a convert, and genuinely hope and feel I am an outlier in your demographics (I have missed church twice in 8 years, once for a hurricane, once for a blizzard. Both times Church was cancelled and I found out in the Hurricane by reading the flyer pasted to the window of the church.)</p>
<p>That said, does it stand to reason that 1st gen. converts hold better retention rates in more LDS populous areas? Does Population LDS per Capita make a difference, and could this be analyzed for ward size? If I am house shopping in San Antonio, should I look for the Ward boundries that have the most LDS is the smallest area?</p>
<p>Personally, I think I have been helped by adopting my wife&#8217;s &#8220;pioneer ancestry&#8221; &#8211; (She is 3rd generation Texas LDS, but they have some of the best conversion stories I&#8217;ve ever heard.)</p>
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