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		<title>By: hardlyperfect</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2006/11/02/brutalized/#comment-89764</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Nov 2006 21:35:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As far as movies that may change your perceptions of others and help to recognize the often far reaching implications of our own often thoughtless actions...&quot;Crash&quot;. Hands down, the best movie I&#039;ve seen in eons. This one will affect you...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As far as movies that may change your perceptions of others and help to recognize the often far reaching implications of our own often thoughtless actions&#8230;&#8221;Crash&#8221;. Hands down, the best movie I&#8217;ve seen in eons. This one will affect you&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Mary</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2006/11/02/brutalized/#comment-89746</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Nov 2006 21:08:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Am I the only person who didn&#039;t like Boys Don&#039;t Cry?  I went to see it in the theatre when it first came out and I remember it being explicit, but also so obvious--it felt like the movie that &quot;should&quot; change your life--burdened by its own self-importance.  I didn&#039;t care for it.  But, I also can&#039;t stand Chloe Sevigny (sp?) as an actress.  Ugh.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Am I the only person who didn&#8217;t like Boys Don&#8217;t Cry?  I went to see it in the theatre when it first came out and I remember it being explicit, but also so obvious&#8211;it felt like the movie that &#8220;should&#8221; change your life&#8211;burdened by its own self-importance.  I didn&#8217;t care for it.  But, I also can&#8217;t stand Chloe Sevigny (sp?) as an actress.  Ugh.</p>
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		<title>By: Anon for this comment</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anon for this comment]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Nov 2006 19:04:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thoughtful post, Amri.

Certainly hearing other people&#039;s stories can open us to the empathic experience of imaginatively entering their world and inhabiting their viewpoint; an experience that can increase and deepen our compassion.

There are, however, some kinds of traumas, those I&#039;ve lived myself, that I cannot watch dramatized. There is no way to be truthful to the trauma and the distortion is disturbing. Further, even the most inaccurate portrayal forces me to remember and partly relive what I want most to forget.

I wonder if war veterans can sit through graphic war movies?

Those who have been brutalized by life perhaps have less need to be brutalized by art. I&#039;ve never felt the need to apologize for my polyanna film preferences. I go to the movies to laugh, to fantasize, to escape, to dream.

I agree with Jack that the real life hard work of visiting the desperately poor, the sick, the lonely, the imprisoned . . . will do more to increase our compassion than a film will, however &quot;sophisticated&quot; the cinematic offering might be. Reading is the next best choice. Film ranks somewhere much further down the list.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thoughtful post, Amri.</p>
<p>Certainly hearing other people&#8217;s stories can open us to the empathic experience of imaginatively entering their world and inhabiting their viewpoint; an experience that can increase and deepen our compassion.</p>
<p>There are, however, some kinds of traumas, those I&#8217;ve lived myself, that I cannot watch dramatized. There is no way to be truthful to the trauma and the distortion is disturbing. Further, even the most inaccurate portrayal forces me to remember and partly relive what I want most to forget.</p>
<p>I wonder if war veterans can sit through graphic war movies?</p>
<p>Those who have been brutalized by life perhaps have less need to be brutalized by art. I&#8217;ve never felt the need to apologize for my polyanna film preferences. I go to the movies to laugh, to fantasize, to escape, to dream.</p>
<p>I agree with Jack that the real life hard work of visiting the desperately poor, the sick, the lonely, the imprisoned . . . will do more to increase our compassion than a film will, however &#8220;sophisticated&#8221; the cinematic offering might be. Reading is the next best choice. Film ranks somewhere much further down the list.</p>
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		<title>By: smb</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2006/11/02/brutalized/#comment-89745</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Nov 2006 15:21:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[amri, enjoyed your post. i also watch a lot of those dark movies. dear sick nietzsche argued that we need to experience tragedy in art because it is how we live out our own fear of tragedy and death. though I&#039;m no nietzsche devote (is it one e for men or two?), i think that&#039;s right.
i still remember when you had me watch Liza or Eliza or whatever, the movie with seymour-hoffman sniffing fuel as his life collapses.  not sure that it was sufficiently well done to scar me.  One movie that scarred my wife but I found riveting was Nostalghia, Tarkovsky&#039;s pseudo-Italian film at the end of his career. We had to walk out of the otherwise incredibly powerful Chrystal (billie bob thornton in a sundance film from a couple years back) when it reached the obligatory graphic rape scene.
I personally think that graphic rape scenes are generally a sign of inferior narrative skill, the cannons of the 1812 overture.  Any such scene will revolt and brutalize an audience, regardless of the elegance, skill, or power of the surrounding story.

Re: the R thing, I personally think there should be many different ratings.  The main rating I would like to see is &quot;insipid garbage,&quot; in which I would place the majority of R and PG-13 and probably PG and come to think of it G movies.  Then you could have different other types of ratings &quot;super sexy, not great for people with sexual dysfunction or addictions&quot;, &quot;too violent, not great for people in the NRA.&quot;  There is more to us than simply our age, and the current rating system misses that entirely.

I let my wife screen the critics usually in hopes of minimizing the insipidness scale and avoiding gratuitous sex and violence. the only time the &quot;actual&quot; rating comes up is when we&#039;re inviting Mormon friends to join us.  I haven&#039;t watched Schindler&#039;s List yet because I can&#039;t imagine that Spielberg could offer other than over-sentimentalized, exploitive schlock to a horrifying chapter in human history, and the clips, reviews, and descriptions have done nothing to suggest otherwise.  My skin crawls when that film is used to argue against the Mormon R prohibition.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>amri, enjoyed your post. i also watch a lot of those dark movies. dear sick nietzsche argued that we need to experience tragedy in art because it is how we live out our own fear of tragedy and death. though I&#8217;m no nietzsche devote (is it one e for men or two?), i think that&#8217;s right.<br />
i still remember when you had me watch Liza or Eliza or whatever, the movie with seymour-hoffman sniffing fuel as his life collapses.  not sure that it was sufficiently well done to scar me.  One movie that scarred my wife but I found riveting was Nostalghia, Tarkovsky&#8217;s pseudo-Italian film at the end of his career. We had to walk out of the otherwise incredibly powerful Chrystal (billie bob thornton in a sundance film from a couple years back) when it reached the obligatory graphic rape scene.<br />
I personally think that graphic rape scenes are generally a sign of inferior narrative skill, the cannons of the 1812 overture.  Any such scene will revolt and brutalize an audience, regardless of the elegance, skill, or power of the surrounding story.</p>
<p>Re: the R thing, I personally think there should be many different ratings.  The main rating I would like to see is &#8220;insipid garbage,&#8221; in which I would place the majority of R and PG-13 and probably PG and come to think of it G movies.  Then you could have different other types of ratings &#8220;super sexy, not great for people with sexual dysfunction or addictions&#8221;, &#8220;too violent, not great for people in the NRA.&#8221;  There is more to us than simply our age, and the current rating system misses that entirely.</p>
<p>I let my wife screen the critics usually in hopes of minimizing the insipidness scale and avoiding gratuitous sex and violence. the only time the &#8220;actual&#8221; rating comes up is when we&#8217;re inviting Mormon friends to join us.  I haven&#8217;t watched Schindler&#8217;s List yet because I can&#8217;t imagine that Spielberg could offer other than over-sentimentalized, exploitive schlock to a horrifying chapter in human history, and the clips, reviews, and descriptions have done nothing to suggest otherwise.  My skin crawls when that film is used to argue against the Mormon R prohibition.</p>
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		<title>By: Ronan</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Nov 2006 17:45:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A thing of beauty and wonder.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A thing of beauty and wonder.</p>
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		<title>By: Ronan</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2006/11/02/brutalized/#comment-89761</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ronan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Nov 2006 17:39:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Matt,
&lt;em&gt;Texas Chainsaw&lt;/em&gt; is a modern classic.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matt,<br />
<em>Texas Chainsaw</em> is a modern classic.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Thurston</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2006/11/02/brutalized/#comment-89760</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Matt Thurston]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Nov 2006 17:32:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m not comfortable applying the word &quot;brutal&quot; to many of the films being discussed in this thread.  However, I realize it is probably more a case of semantics (definition, meaning) and personality (the different ways we react to something) than a misapplication of the word.  To me, &quot;brutal&quot; films are movies like Saw and Texas Chainsaw Massacre and movies of that ilk.  Having seen none of them myself, I guess I could be wrong, but the clips and trailers I&#039;ve seen lead me to the &quot;brutal&quot; conclusion.  That such movies are meant to be &quot;entertainment&quot; is hard for me to understand.

The two movies that really affected me growing up were &lt;em&gt;Deliverance &lt;/em&gt;and &lt;em&gt;The Deer Hunter&lt;/em&gt;.  I admired both films, but have no desire to see either again.  I don&#039;t regret seeing either movie, but the rape scene in Deliverance and the russian roulette scenes in Deer Hunter upset me.  Each movie showed me depths of depravity I think I knew existed in theory, but had never imagined so vividly.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not comfortable applying the word &#8220;brutal&#8221; to many of the films being discussed in this thread.  However, I realize it is probably more a case of semantics (definition, meaning) and personality (the different ways we react to something) than a misapplication of the word.  To me, &#8220;brutal&#8221; films are movies like Saw and Texas Chainsaw Massacre and movies of that ilk.  Having seen none of them myself, I guess I could be wrong, but the clips and trailers I&#8217;ve seen lead me to the &#8220;brutal&#8221; conclusion.  That such movies are meant to be &#8220;entertainment&#8221; is hard for me to understand.</p>
<p>The two movies that really affected me growing up were <em>Deliverance </em>and <em>The Deer Hunter</em>.  I admired both films, but have no desire to see either again.  I don&#8217;t regret seeing either movie, but the rape scene in Deliverance and the russian roulette scenes in Deer Hunter upset me.  Each movie showed me depths of depravity I think I knew existed in theory, but had never imagined so vividly.</p>
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		<title>By: gst</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Nov 2006 17:10:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0583600/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Nancy Meyers&lt;/a&gt;&#039; pictures brutalize me.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0583600/" rel="nofollow">Nancy Meyers</a>&#8216; pictures brutalize me.</p>
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		<title>By: amri</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[amri]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Nov 2006 15:52:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Okay this might sound totally crazy but sometimes I think the reason I like movies that brutalize me (or are v. sad, dark etc) is because of the Messiah mythology I&#039;ve grown up with. I believe Jesus could atone for me partially because he understood me perfectly. He understood not just the death of a parent but for me the death of my parent. And I&#039;m trying to be like Jesus. I sometimes feel that any depression I have felt directly teaches me about my dad and produces a deep mercy and any salvation that families contribute to each other. So in that way I appreciate depression. Similarly I like art(film, books mostly) like this because I feel like it makes me more like Jesus.
Weird, I know. I don&#039;t have have a Messianic complex (I don&#039;t think) but I am pretty steeped in this mythology.

Also JNS I agree that you don&#039;t have to show everything but part of the reason Boys Don&#039;t Cry was so effective was because it did show a lot. I&#039;m still undecided as to is necessity but I felt pain.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay this might sound totally crazy but sometimes I think the reason I like movies that brutalize me (or are v. sad, dark etc) is because of the Messiah mythology I&#8217;ve grown up with. I believe Jesus could atone for me partially because he understood me perfectly. He understood not just the death of a parent but for me the death of my parent. And I&#8217;m trying to be like Jesus. I sometimes feel that any depression I have felt directly teaches me about my dad and produces a deep mercy and any salvation that families contribute to each other. So in that way I appreciate depression. Similarly I like art(film, books mostly) like this because I feel like it makes me more like Jesus.<br />
Weird, I know. I don&#8217;t have have a Messianic complex (I don&#8217;t think) but I am pretty steeped in this mythology.</p>
<p>Also JNS I agree that you don&#8217;t have to show everything but part of the reason Boys Don&#8217;t Cry was so effective was because it did show a lot. I&#8217;m still undecided as to is necessity but I felt pain.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt W.</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Matt W.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Nov 2006 15:14:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[JNS, not only does people&#039;s response to art vary, but so does there consideration of what is art.

That said, I was a huge fan of Kevin Smith before I joined the church, I even had the Mallrats poster to prove it, and still like him as a person, I just can&#039;t watch his films and feel comfortable about it.

As for Dogma, I loved the platypus disclaimer, but beyond that, it just wasn&#039;t for me.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JNS, not only does people&#8217;s response to art vary, but so does there consideration of what is art.</p>
<p>That said, I was a huge fan of Kevin Smith before I joined the church, I even had the Mallrats poster to prove it, and still like him as a person, I just can&#8217;t watch his films and feel comfortable about it.</p>
<p>As for Dogma, I loved the platypus disclaimer, but beyond that, it just wasn&#8217;t for me.</p>
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