BCC Papers 1/2: Barney, Deseret

On the Etymology of Deseret

by Kevin L. Barney


One can forgive a newcomer to the State of Utah for being puzzled by the ubiquitous use of the word “Deseret.” One of the two daily newspapers in Salt Lake City is the Deseret News; instead of Goodwill Industries, one finds Deseret Industries; a chain of bookstores goes by the name Deseret Book; and the list goes on and on. Upon reading a little history, one soon finds that these names derive from the name Brigham Young proposed for the state in 1849, the State of Deseret (although that proposal encompassed substantially more territory than the current State of Utah). Congress rejected this proposal, and when Utah finally became a State in 1896 it bore the name of the federally-sanctioned Utah Territory (which had been created by an act of Congress as part of the Compromise of 1850), named for the Ute Indians native to the area.[1]

The source for the name “Deseret” is a single passage in the Book of Mormon: “And they did also carry with them deseret, which, by interpretation, is a honey bee, and thus they did carry with them swarms of bees. . . .” (Ether 2:3). Brigham liked the imagery of cooperative labor and industry brought to mind by honeybees and their hives, and to this day one may tour his personal residence, which is called the Beehive House. The beehive is the official symbol of the State of Utah.

What is the etymology of the word deseret? How one approaches this question is to some extent a function of what one makes of the Book of Mormon. If one takes the view that that book is authentically ancient, then the word must have some sort of an ancient origin. (Whether we have the capacity to divine that origin is a separate question.) If one takes the view that that book is a 19th-century pseudepigraphon, then the source of the word, whether ancient or modern, must have been accessible in some fashion by Joseph Smith, unless Joseph simply coined it as a neologism out of the ether.

I am unaware of any serious proposal for a modern etymology of the word (unless one were to posit it as a simple variant of English “desert,” a suggestion I have seen no one actually make). There is, however, a proposed ancient etymology, which was first put forward by R.C. Webb [J.E. Homans],[2] but has been most prominently articulated and popularized by Hugh Nibley,[3] and which has been widely accepted by contemporary Mormon scholars.[4] I have found, however, that Nibley’s argument is almost universally misunderstood by rank and file Mormons, who take him to be saying that deseret is the Egyptian word for “bee.” It is not. The argument is much more subtle than that. Although Nibley’s own explanations of this matter tend to be obscure and pedantic, Stephen Parker has helpfully summarized the argument in a comprehensible way in the Encyclopedia of Mormonism:

Hugh Nibley has suggested that the etymology of the word Deseret is related to the ancient Egyptian word November_2006_On the Etymology of Deseret_html_m15261ec dšrt, read by Egyptologists as desheret. In Egyptian, dšrt means the red crown (of the king of Lower Egypt). The Egyptian word for bee is November_2006_On the Etymology of Deseret_html_m791b20cbt. In the discussion of the sign Feb_2008_apiculture_html_m63ae860e dšrt, Alan Gardiner, in Egyptian Grammar, states that November_2006_On the Etymology of Deseret_html_m63ae860e was used to replace November_2006_On the Etymology of Deseret_html_m63a8ba1 in two Egyptian titles where November_2006_On the Etymology of Deseret_html_m63a8ba1 was used to mean the bty King of Lower Egypt. Thus, the title November_2006_On the Etymology of Deseret_html_2da5a1c71 n-sw-bt was sometimes written as November_2006_On the Etymology of Deseret_html_m190ac4c9 n-sw-bt, which literally means “He who belongs to the sedge plant (of Upper Egypt) and to the bee (of Lower Egypt),” normally translated “The King of Upper and Lower Egypt.” This substitution of November_2006_On the Etymology of Deseret_html_m63ae860e for November_2006_On the Etymology of Deseret_html_m63a8ba1 has led Nibley to associate the Egyptian word dšrt and the Book of Mormon word deseret.[5]

In other words, the Egyptian word for “bee” is actually bit. The word dšr means “(to be) red.” With the feminine ending, dšr.t (pronounced something like “desheret” or “deshret” [the vowels are hypothetical but short]), one of its meanings is the red crown of the king of Lower Egypt. This crown (S3 in Gardiner’s sign list)[6] was sometimes substituted for the word bit “bee,” possibly, as Gardiner conjectures, for superstitious reasons,[7] in the expressions n-sw-bit “king of Upper and Lower Egypt” (literally “he who belongs to the sedge plant [representing Upper Egypt] and to the bee [representing Lower Egypt]“) and sd3wty bity “treasurer of the king of Lower Egypt.”[8] When so substituted, it would actually be pronounced bit. So, in sum, there was an association, the reason for which remains obscure, between the bee and Lower Egypt, and so also was there an association between the red crown of the king of Lower Egypt (dšr.t) and the bee (bit).

This argument is not only very subtle but, quite frankly, brilliant. As I have indicated, it is considered the standard etymology of the word among LDS scholars, and this paper by itself is not going to change that. But I have long felt a certain ambivalence about this suggestion. It is almost too brilliant, by half. The obscurity and cleverness of the connection to some extent interfere with its believability. Had the Book of Mormon word been simply bit, that would be one thing. But for the Jaredites to use a word for the red crown of the king of Lower Egypt with an obscure connection to the bee, in precisely the opposite of the way the Egyptians used the word (the Egyptians would write the red crown symbol in lieu of the bee symbol and pronounce bit “bee”; the Jaredites apparently when thinking of “bee” used the word for the red crown, dšr.t, something the Egyptians never did), gives me pause. I cannot help but wonder whether this explanation is more of a testament to the brilliance of the men who came up with it as opposed to an actual etymology of the Book of Mormon term.

For the foreseeable future, the Webb-Nibley theory will continue to be the received etymology of “deseret.” But the point of this paper is that, notwithstanding the near-canonization of that etymology by its publication in the pages of the Encyclopedia of Mormonism, LDS scholars should not simply assume that the question has been successfully resolved, but rather should continue to press the search for more and better information to illumine our understanding.

As Paul Hoskisson has cautioned: “Unless and until it can be determined from which cultural background the Jaredites departed, it will be impossible to do anything but guess about etymologies for Jaredite names.”[9] Our lack of knowledge concerning who the Jaredites were, from whence they came and when, and what language they spoke is a tremendous challenge in trying to plumb the etymology of the few Jaredite words preserved in the Book of Mormon. As Ronan James Head observes, “The Jaredite onomasticon is so varied, that one can find similarities with any number of languages, from Hebrew to Sumerian. . . .”[10]

In both his Book of Mormon and Book of Abraham studies, Nibley had a pronounced tendency to prefer Egyptian arcana over sometimes more straightforward (often Semitic) avenues of investigation.[11] Since, as Hoskisson notes, at this stage we are still limited to etymological guesswork, I would like to put my own guess on the table. My guess is not currently as tidy and wrapped up in a bow as the Webb-Nibley theory, and so it certainly will not supplant that theory in the near term.[12] But my hope is that by making these thoughts available it might lead other scholars to advance the ball further than I have so far been able to do.

What I would like to propose is that before wedding ourselves inextricably to an obscure Egyptian etymology we consider the possibility of a more straightforward Semitic etymology of the term deseret.[13] The Hebrew word for bee is דבורה deborah. This word occurs in the Hebrew Bible at Isaiah 7:18, Deut. 1:44, Judges 14:8, and Psalms 118:12, and as a variant reading at 1 Sam. 14:26. It also appears as a proper name for the nurse of Rebekah in Gen. 35:8 and the prophetess of Judges 4-5, and of course is common as a proper name in our own culture to this day.

Ignoring the mater, this word has four consonants: DBRH, only the first and third of which match DSRT (deseret). To be able to see this as a plausible etymology of Jaredite deseret, we have to be able to explain the two consonants that do not match.

An explanation for the last consonant is indeed available. The final H ending of DBRH is a feminine ending in Hebrew. We know that there was a more archaic feminine ending, -T, which is preserved in Semitic cognate languages (such as Aramaic, where the word for “bee” is debarta, or Syriac, where it is deboritha).[14] Not only is the general linguistic development of -t to -h feminine endings known, but it is attested with respect to this very word in the Hebrew Bible. There was a Levitical city called Daberath at the foot of Mt. Tabor, mentioned at Joshua 19:12, possibly 19:20 (if we follow the conjectural emendation of MT Rabbith here) and 21:28, as well as 1 Chr. 6:57 (= Engl 6:72), which means “bee.” Note that Joshua 19:12 uses the more ancient form “Daberath,” whereas 21:28 uses the later form “Dabareh,” with a final -h replacing the more archaic final -t ending. So we can see this linguistic development unfolding in Hebrew with respect to this very word as a place name (where the archaic -t ending survived longer than elsewhere due to the conservatism of toponyms). We therefore may posit that the more ancient Semitic form of the word “bee” was DBRT, which is just one consonant different than DSRT.

I wish I could say that I have a similar solution for the second consonant; I do not at present. One possible avenue of investigation to this end might be the potential for semantic confusion between DBRT “bee” and Semitic words for “honey,” such as Hebrew debash and Akkadian dishpu, which combine an S consonant with a D and a B/P. Consider, for example, the case of 1 Samuel 14:26, which in the KJV reads as follows:

And when the people were come into the wood, behold, the honey dropped; but no man put his hand to his mouth: for the people feared the oath.

The Masoretic Text (MT) here has דבש הלך helek debash “a stream of honey.” But the Septuagint for this passage reads as follows (following Brenton’s English translation):

And the people went into the place of the bees, and, behold, they continued speaking; and, behold, there was none that put his hand to his mouth, for the people feared the oath of the Lord.

The Greek for “place of bees” is μελισσωνα melissōna , which is a variant (in the accusative case) of the Greek word for “bee,” melissa (also a popular name in our culture to this day). The Septuagint reading has led a number of scholars to propose that the word “honey” in the MT (דבש debash) was originally, or at least in the textual tradition underlying the Septuagint, דברו deboro “its bees.”[15] The possible confusion between the words for “bee” and “honey” in this passage of scripture suggests a potential avenue for further investigation regarding a potential Semitic etymology underlying DSRT.

My inability to account fully at present for the variant second consonant, however, does not necessarily entail that this is not a fruitful avenue for further investigation. Expecting to always be able to perfectly match Book of Mormon onomastics with known precedents in the Old World is not always reasonable, for at least three reasons:

1. Linguistic Evolution. The Book of Mormon itself frankly acknowledges that profound linguistic evolution took place over the long history recounted therein, as reflected for instance in the sobriquet reformed Egyptian. Since the Small Plates were not edited or redacted and were composed within a generation of Lehi’s departure from Jerusalem, if we had them we almost certainly would be able to read them. But the rest of the plates represent a redacted account in the language of Mormon and Moroni, a thousand years after Lehi. Languages inevitably evolve over so long a period of time–witness what has happened to English over the last millennium, for example.

2. Creolization with New World Languages. The sad fact is that we do not know for sure what languages the Book of Mormon was written in, and we do not possess the original text, with the exception of the Anthon transcription. The text mentions Hebrew and Egyptian, but if we assume with the vast majority of LDS scholars that there were others in the land with whom the Book of Mormon peoples interacted, there undoubtedly would have been substantial creolization with New World languages. LDS scholars have tended to approach the text of the Book of Mormon from the perspective of the languages they know (Hebrew and Egyptian) without adequately accounting for the possible influence of New World languages.

3. The Limitations of Inspired Translation. The source for the Jaredite record in the Book of Ether was the 24 gold plates found by the people of Limhi and delivered to Mosiah. Mosiah translated this record in seeric fashion using the Nephite interpreters (see Mosiah 28:11-19). Moroni produced the Book of Ether; whether he redacted Mosiah’s translation or retranslated the material on his own is not known. And of course, Joseph translated the Book of Mormon by the gift and power of God using a process similar to what Mosiah describes.

LDS scholars have different views concerning how close the linguistic relationship is between the source text and the translation using such a process, which differs from modern academic translation. Some are of the view that the translation is in whole or in part largely conceptual in nature, sensus de sensu rather than verbum pro verbo, dependent on spiritual feelings and receptivity. If this is the case, we need to face the possibility that proper names may not have always been perfectly transmitted to a modern scholarly level of precision.

In conclusion, the Webb-Nibley proposal will remain the most commonly accepted conjecture given its strength, which is the relative precision of the linguistic match with deseret. But that conjecture also has weaknesses, namely, the obscurity of the connection to bees and the fact that it posits an unattested usage precisely backwards from that of the Egyptians themselves (who, as indicated above, never pronounced dšrt with the meaning “bee”). My Semitic-based proposal in this paper is not a precise linguistic match, which is its glaring weakness, but it is a word that directly means “bee,” and a well attested linguistic process accounts for the development of the feminine ending. Given the problems with analyzing the Book of Mormon onomasticon briefly described above, I suggest that a Semitic DBRT is close enough to Jaredite DSRT to warrant continued research and effort.


Kevin L. Barney, “On the Etymology of Deseret,” BCC Papers 1/2, November 2006, http://www.bycommonconsent.com/2006/11/bcc-papers-1-2-barney.

Kevin L. Barney graduated from BYU in classics in 1982, with law degrees following from the University of Illinois (J.D.) and DePaul University ( LL.M.). He practices public finance law in Chicago. He has published a couple of dozen articles in Mormon studies (mostly related to LDS scripture) in such venues as the Journal of Book of Mormon Studies, Dialogue: A Journal of Mormon Thought, FARMS Review, The Ensign, BYU Studies and Sunstone. He also serves on the Board of FAIR.

1. See Jeffrey Ogden Johnson, “Deseret, State of,” in Daniel H. Ludlow, ed., Encyclopedia of Mormonism (New York: Macmillan Publishing Company, 1992), 1:371-73; “State of Deseret” in Wikipedia, accessed October 28, 2006. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_of_Deseret.

2. R.C. Webb [J.E. Homans], Joseph Smith as a Translator (Salt Lake City: Deseret News Press, 1936), 42-45. On R. C. Webb, see Kevin L. Barney, “Robert C. Webb,” By Common Consent (October 18, 2006). http://www.bycommonconsent.com/2006/10/robert-c-webb/.

3. Nibley has articulated this proposed etymology in several of his writings. See Hugh Nibley, Lehi in the Desert and The World of the Jaredites, There Were Jaredites (Salt Lake City: Deseret Book, 1988), 319-22; The Message of the Joseph Smith Papyri: An Egyptian Endowment (Salt Lake City: Deseret Book, 1976), 199 [where he speculates that the peculiar wire loop in the red crown of Lower Egypt may represent a bee's antenna]; and, most extensively, Abraham in Egypt (Salt Lake City: Deseret Book, 1981), 225-45, in a chapter entitled “The Deseret Connection,” which is something of a complete history of bees and apiculture among the Egyptians. The material of the most specific relevance to the etymology of the word “deseret” is under the caption “The Word Deseret” at pp. 240-45.

4. For instance, Cynthia L. Hallen, “What’s in a Word?” Journal of Book of Mormon Studies 10/2 (2001): 65.

5. Stephen Parker, “Deseret,” Encyclopedia of Mormonism, 1:370-71.

6. Alan Gardiner, Egyptian Grammar, 3rd ed. (Oxford: Griffith Institute, 1979), 504.

7. If Gardiner’s conjecture that the substitution was for superstitious reasons is correct, this would be rather like a visual analog to when a Jewish reader of the Hebrew Bible comes upon the divine tetragrammaton יהוה [YHWH], but rather than pronouncing something like “Yahweh” reverentially substitutes “Adonai” instead.

8. Idem.

9. Paul Hoskisson, “An Introduction to the Relevance of and a Methodology for a Study of the Proper Names of the Book of Mormon,” in By Study and Also By Faith, Essays in Honor of Hugh W. Nibley, Vol. 2, ed. John M. Lundquist and Stephen D. Ricks (Salt Lake City: Deseret Book and FARMS, 1990), 132.

10. Ronan James Head, “The Deseret Honeybee and Near Eastern Apiculture,” prepublication draft, copy in the author’s possession.

11. For instance, while to my perception the majority view among contemporary LDS scholars is that the peculiar wording of 1 Nephi 1:1-3 suggests that Nephi began his record by writing Hebrew in an Egyptian script, Nibley always insisted that the Book of Mormon was written in pure Egyptian, scoffing “at the darling illusion that anyone who has had elementary Hebrew knows the original language of the Book of Mormon,” in Lehi in the Desert and the World of the Jaredites (Salt Lake City: Bookcraft, 1952), 17. For the mainstream view, see John A. Tvedtnes and Stephen D. Ricks, “Jewish and Other Semitic Texts Written in Egyptian Characters,” Journal of Book of Mormon Studies 5/2 (1996): 156-63, and Kevin L. Barney, “Enallage in the Book of Mormon,” Journal of Book of Mormon Studies 3/1 (Spring 1994): 114-15 at n. 4. Such a process is not nearly so esoteric as it sounds at first blush. What we recognize today as Hebrew is actually Hebrew language written in Aramaic characters (before the Exile Hebrew was written in a different alphabet, called paleo-Hebrew), and Coptic is Egyptian language written in Greek characters (with seven additional characters borrowed from Demotic for sounds found in Egyptian but not in Greek). For the historic over reliance on Egyptian arcana in Book of Abraham studies (which Nibley began to remedy in Abraham in Egypt), see Kevin L. Barney, “The Facsimiles and Semitic Adaptation of Existing Sources,” in Astronomy, Papyrus, and Covenant, John Gee and Brian M. Hauglid, eds. (Provo: FARMS, 2005), 107-30.

12. It is for this reason that I am publishing this suggestion for further research in BCC Papers and not in a print journal.

13. I will pose this possibility in terms of Hebrew, which will serve as a proxy for more ancient western Semitic languages if the Jaredites should predate the origins of Hebrew as such as a language around 1200 B.C.

14. The Semitic root *DBR is very common and it is difficult to discern where individual usages come from. For instance, Ludwig Köhler, Walter Baumgartner et al., eds. The Hebrew & Aramaic Lexicon of the Old Testament (Leiden: Brill, 1995), 1:208, associates Hebrew deborah with roots in Syriac, Mandaic, Arabic and Ethiopian that feature an assimilated nun, making the original root something like *DNBR or *ZNBR. There does not, however, appear to be any evidence for doubling of the B in Hebrew, so the Hebrew root may be unrelated.

15. The New Brown – Driver – Briggs – Gesenius Hebrew and English Lexicon (Peabody, Mass.: Hendrickson, 1979), 184 [this is a reprint of the Oxford edition], citing with approval Wellhausen and Driver.


  1. BCC Papers, Volume 1, 2006

    1. Kim Östman, “Early Mormonism in Finnish Newspapers, 1840-1849,” BCC Papers 1/1, July 2006, http://www.bycommonconsent.com/2006/07/bcc-papers-1-1-ostman.

    2. Kevin L. Barney, “On the Etymology of Deseret,” BCC Papers 1/2, November 2006, http://www.bycommonconsent.com/2006/11/bcc-papers-1-2-barney.

    Please consider the pdf to be the “official” article as some of the formatting may have been lost in the conversion to html.

    Kevin, I’m glad you couldn’t find any Akkadian words for bee as my own research has shown that there is no way the Jaredites could have come from Babel as there is zero evidence for apiculture (and these guys were expert apiculturalists) in Babylonia.

    What that does for the “Tower of Babel” is an interesting question, but I won’t threadjack…

    I think DBRT and the honey/bee confusion is as compelling as the Egyptian etymology, especially as it’s not esoteric. Having said that, the Egyptians were master apiculturalists; the evidence for the West Semites ain’t so good, but I’m taking a look at it.

    Nice paper.

  2. Wow. Very interesting reading. Thanks Kevin.

  3. You didn’t really write, about the word “deseret” that Joseph might have

    simply coined it as a neologism out of the ether


  4. Kevin Barney says:

    Mark B., yes, the pun was intentional. (grin)

    Ronan, feel free to threadjack. I liked your insight about the Tower.

  5. I have always been uncomfortable with some of the egyptian pulls for a lot of words in the Book of Mormon. I don’t think we need to go to egyptian for meanings of words like nephi, zoram, laman, when there are very good and compelling reasons to go with the Hebrew names. (Of course, I understand the “reformed egyptian” connection, but I have yet to see anyone do an analysis of the language we now think is reformed egyptian to see if it goes with Hebrew pronunciation or Egyptian Pronunciation, or some mix of the two. If anyone knows of such a study, I’d love to see it. I haven’t kept up, maybe the language we thought was RE was even a hoax. Anyone know?

    Anyway, Keven, thanks for the food for thought. As a side question, any chance of copying errors fro deberet to deseret?

  6. Kevin Barney says:

    Matt W., I don’t think there is any evidence for modern scribal error in the BoM manuscripts. But that there may have been ancient scribal error, or confusion, or semantic assimilation, is part of the point behind my discussion of the 1 Samuel passage.

  7. Was that a grin or a groan? ;-)

  8. Matt,
    What are you referring to? I wasn’t aware that there had been any such identification made. The Anthon manuscript doesn’t appear to be related to any known language or script. Some have conjectured that it is related to demotic but their method had some serious flaws.

    As for the use of “reformed egyptian” it is not unheard of to find aramaic texts transliterated into heiratic or demotic, so it doesn’t appear that what is described as happening in the Book of Mormon is outside of the realm of possibility.

  9. HP- I wasn’t referring to the anthon transcript, though there have been some interesting attempts at that one, but I was actually referring to something I had read a while back similar to what you describe in your second paragraph, texts that were some form of transliterated combination of hebrew, aramaic and some form of egyptian font. I am not a scholar in that field at all(or any other), so don’t really know much about it. I just remember there was a little bubble of hype about possible reformed egyptian texts, and then it faded. This ussually indicates to me it was either a dud or access was denied.

  10. Kevin: To show my naivette here, was the original transcript of the BOM in cursive? (I think it was, but am having a dumb morning) I know in a lot of old texts, lower case “b” and “s” get switched a lot. Is there a place online to look at the original in digital?

    (It’s not that I don’t believe you, it’s just that I am not ready to give up the hunt yet. Gives me something to do on a lonely friday morning.)

  11. Kevin Barney says:

    Matt W., you can read about these texts by reading the works cited in the middle of my footnote 11. These are avaiable at the FARMS website (farms.byu.edu). The example I am most familiar with is Aramaic (a Northwest Semitic language closely related to Hebrew) written in Demotic Egyptian script. It is not a different or a standalone language; the language is simply Aramaic, transliterated into a different script (much as one could write Russian in English characters rather than Cyrillic).

  12. Kevin Barney says:

    The place to look would be Royal Skousen’s transcriptions of the Original Manuscript (if it is extant for this verse; I don’t know offhand whether it is, as my books are at home and I’m at work) and the Printer’s Manuscript. Although there wouldn’t be a picture, he uses detailed sigla to identify scribal phenomena in the text. It would certainly be worth a look to see if there is anything funny or unusual there.

  13. Nice work Kevin. Thanks for doing this.

    Funny story(which is all I seem to have these days): I was at a birthday party of one very disaffected Mormon. He has a very disaffected Mormon friend who wanted to find him the perfect gift. She found on a very earnest website a belt buckle that is a replica of the SLC Temple doorknobs. The belt buckle has a huge beehive on it. The few Mormons laughed at the buckle and everyone else puzzled over it. We tried to explain it-BoM deseret beehive Brigham Young symbol of UT etc and one girl said, well that’s just silly. Didn’t Brigham Young know that a queen bee is central to the beehive? That’s the worst symbol ever! Silly Polygamist Prophet.
    We laughed again.

    Anyway, I know many queen bee girls named Melissa or Deborah. Maybe that means something.

    And I agree: “I cannot help but wonder whether this explanation is more of a testament to the brilliance of the men who came up with it as opposed to an actual etymology of the Book of Mormon term.”

  14. Kevin,

    Thanks for explaining the Webb/Nibley argument so concisely. I’ve heard it mentioned before, but I’ve never actually seen anyone explain how it’s meant to work.

    I do have to admit that now that I think I understand it, I find it pretty unpersuasive. Is it just me, or does this seem like quite a stretch?

  15. Kevin Barney says:

    Ronan, I agree that the linguistics need to work together with the dirt archaeology, and if that points to Egyptian apicultural science, that will tend to buttress the Webb-Nibley theory. Actually, in that event perhaps my Semitic suggestion would work together with and strengthen the Webb-Nibley theory by suggesting a reason the Jaredites adopted Egyptian desheret rather than bit–because of its similarity to West Semitic DBRT. So it is possible the two theories could end up melding together into a single theory that is stronger than either is on its own.

    The basic idea is to keep all of the options on the table until we are able to come up with a compelling unified theory, taking into account all available evidence, of the Jaredites (the who, what [language], when, where). I think your comments on the technology of portable hives in your unpublished paper is an important start down that road.

  16. Ok, I wrote Royal an e-mail and asked him. I don’t have his books yet, but they are on my “when I get rich” list…

  17. John H. Jenkins says:

    Brilliant piece (as usual), Kevin, but it leaves one real question unanswered:  When and why did the pronunciation change from “de-SEE-ret” (as attested by materials in the Deseret Alphabet) to the modern “DEH-zuh-ret”?

  18. Kevin Barney says:

    For those who don’t know, my friend John Jenkins is the one responsible for including the Deseret Alphabet in Unicode.

  19. Jonathan Green says:

    Thanks for your contribution, Kevin. Is there a standard etymological dictionary for proto-Semitic or Hamito-Semitic or Afro-Asiatic? (I’d have guessed that some German started compiling it in the 19th century and that it’s now made it to the letter E.)

    About deseret, I’m afraid I’m still firmly in the “none of the above” camp for now, though. As much uncertainty as there is about the actual Nephite language (which you describe very clearly), I at least feel a sense of famliarity with the characters of Nephite history, as if they would be at home in the Old Testament or some other literature that helped produce our own culture. The Jaredite story feels so odd, so foreign, that I’m not sure they were Semitic, or anything like unto it. I realize that’s hardly a well-founded reason, but it’s about all we have to go on.

    Ronan: But haven’t you considered the possibility that Joseph Smith merely used “bee” to translate a word for what were actually a variety of domesticated termites?

  20. Interesting about the queen bee and the beehive as that was a rather significant masonic symbol that Brigham almost certainly did know about. I’ll see if I can’t find the notes I have on it although a quick google brought up this lecture in a masonic (not LDS) context. Some have asserted that the early saints may have made a connection between their view of the patriarchal priesthood and the masonic symbols with the deseret symbol.

    BTW – Brigham’s explanations of deseret almost certainly (IMO) come from masonry.

    I don’t know if anyone has done any research into whether the word choice of Joseph relates to Masonry or related movements. (Does Quinn address that does anyone know?)

  21. BTW – some might find this famous Masonic painting called The Master’s Carpet interesting. Beside the beehive there are numerous other common LDS symbols found on it.

  22. Jonathan Green,
    “The Domesticated Termites” is now officially the name of my soon to be formed hippie rock band.

  23. Royal “checked the actual photograph of Ether 2:3 in the printer’s manuscript, and it reads “deseret” in Oliver Cowdery’s hand. Later, in pencil, John Gilbert, capitalized the initial “d” to “D”. The “s” is clearly an “s”; there is no way that it could be a “b”. One interesting aspect, however, is that Oliver Cowdery makes his n’s and r’s quite similarly, so one could possibly interpret the word “deseret” as actually being “desenet” (or vice versa). I would go with “r”, but “n” is not impossible.”

  24. Kevin Barney says:

    Thanks for reporting Royal’s double checking. I was reasonably certain there was no possibility of modern scribal error, but it is good to have that confirmed by the expert.

  25. Kevin, in a bit of irony, my Father-in-law should me a letter he had written to Hugh Nibley 25 years ago regarding the s replacement in deseret/deberet. He also showed me Dr. Nibley’s response. It was extremely cool. I can’t reproduce it verbatim, but Dr. Nibley pretty much sighted a bunch of examples where over time languages changes letter sounds, and ended with “So why not?…This is just off the cuff though, no time for deep stuff.”

    Anyway, thanks for the bonding moment with my Father-in-Law….

  26. Kevin Barney says:

    I would love to be able to see the letter and the response. Does your FiL still have them?

  27. He has them. I’ll see if I can get a scanned copy.

  28. I got a scanned copy, shoot me an email at

    and I will send it to you.

  29. Kevin, thanks for the interesting read. Clearly there are some sound shifts that occur in ancient languages. The Egyptian R-L transformation seen in modern Japanese, Chinese, and Korean, the Akkadian and Hebrew double A -> O or U transformation that is seen today in the Scandinavian languages, the Egyptian and Sumerian P(h)/R and M/N shifts that are dictated by certain rules and the later dialectical Greek T/S shift, are examples of sound shifts that can be documented.

    It is important for proposed shifts to be ones that can be documented or at least reasonably explained. As you acknowledge, B-S however does not appear to be documentable beyond speculations of mispronunciation by foreigners, which hardly make for a good linguistic fit. A linguistic “Pandora’s Box” would be opened if two consonants in a three-consonant base were considered an adequate match. The final “t” as you know is a feminine suffix in Egyptian (cf. the Paut Khemennu). If one assumes that the transliterations in the Book of Mormon may not be accurate, that opens the Pandora’s box even further.

    It is interesting to see that Nibley is close, but not complete. Fortunately, Book of Mormon transliterations appear to be correct as they stand. To correctly derive “Deseret,” one needs to look back earlier to the language of the Jaredites (the language of Adam) and languages immediately descended from it, i.e. Sumerian cuneiform, Phoenician, and early Egyptian Hieroglyphic.

  30. Christopher Smith says:


    I think you are altogether too deferential to Webb-Nibley. Their argument, frankly, is absurd; yours is much better. On the other hand, I will echo Dr. Stewart’s observation that precedent for a B -> S consonant shift is hard to come by.



  1. [...] Seven posts beneath this one is a little paper I wrote, Kevin L. Barney, “On the Etymology of Deseret,” BCC Papers 1/2, November 2006, in which I argued for a possible Semitic etymology of the word deseret. In the comments, Matt W. mentioned that his father-in-law, Walt Cowart, had written Hugh Nibley asking about a similar idea back in December of 1981, and had received a response. I assumed Matt had misunderstood the nature of the correspondence, but he produced it, and indeed Walt had posed basically the same idea I put forward in my paper. So this is an amazing opportunity to see Nibley critique this idea, from beyond the grave, as it were, in a letter he wrote 25 years ago. As a long-time Nibleyophile, I thought this was incredibly cool, so rather than bury it in the comments to the original thread, I am posting a new thread here. [...]


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