Comments on: New from the LDS Independent Journals http://bycommonconsent.com/2007/01/06/new-from-the-lds-independent-journals/ A Mormon Blog Tue, 14 Feb 2012 20:31:41 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.com/ By: Sterling http://bycommonconsent.com/2007/01/06/new-from-the-lds-independent-journals/#comment-19381 Thu, 05 Apr 2007 03:01:12 +0000 http://www.bycommonconsent.com/2007/01/new-from-the-lds-independent-journals/#comment-19381 Kevin,

I think you are wise for examining the evidence on a case-by-case basis. What is the difference between your position and Blake Ostler’s expansion hypothesis?

]]> By: Joanne http://bycommonconsent.com/2007/01/06/new-from-the-lds-independent-journals/#comment-19380 Thu, 05 Apr 2007 02:41:21 +0000 http://www.bycommonconsent.com/2007/01/new-from-the-lds-independent-journals/#comment-19380 I read it quite a while ago, but obviously I’m not putting the pieces together. Thanks for your patient explanation and ever-thought-provoking posts.

]]> By: Kevin Barney http://bycommonconsent.com/2007/01/06/new-from-the-lds-independent-journals/#comment-19379 Thu, 05 Apr 2007 02:36:45 +0000 http://www.bycommonconsent.com/2007/01/new-from-the-lds-independent-journals/#comment-19379 He kind of explains this in his article in BYU Studies, “Toward a Critical Edition of the BoM.” You can search for it at the BYU Studies archive at the Harold B. Lee Library website.

One reason I like to allow for Joseph’s influence in the text is to make allowance for translator anachronisms.

]]> By: Joanne http://bycommonconsent.com/2007/01/06/new-from-the-lds-independent-journals/#comment-19378 Thu, 05 Apr 2007 02:27:15 +0000 http://www.bycommonconsent.com/2007/01/new-from-the-lds-independent-journals/#comment-19378 Okay, I get it. Thanks. Why does Skousen hold that view? Does he think it matters? When would competing theories of the translation process start to matter? I mean, in what kind of studies?

]]> By: Kevin Barney http://bycommonconsent.com/2007/01/06/new-from-the-lds-independent-journals/#comment-19377 Tue, 03 Apr 2007 14:32:01 +0000 http://www.bycommonconsent.com/2007/01/new-from-the-lds-independent-journals/#comment-19377 Joanne, I don’t think my different approach to translation theory in the BoM really affects the lower critical project of trying to establish what the original text should be. I think Skousen is doing a great job with that.

Where I differ with Skousen is that he takes a pretty strict “tight control” view of the relationship between what was on the plates and the English translation. He seems to me to almost view Joseph as simply reading the English text off a divine teleprompter, and thus having limited involvement in its creation. I think there is much more of Joseph in the text than Skousen does. Rather than take a consistent “loose control” view of that relationship though, a la B.H. Roberts, I take an eclectic approach, meaning that I am open to the relation between original text and translation being tighter or looser in various passages. I think it is a mistake to make an ideological commitment to a single theory of translation, since there is so much about the process that we don’t understand.

]]> By: Sam MB http://bycommonconsent.com/2007/01/06/new-from-the-lds-independent-journals/#comment-19376 Sat, 20 Jan 2007 18:18:28 +0000 http://www.bycommonconsent.com/2007/01/new-from-the-lds-independent-journals/#comment-19376 Another standard source is Richard van Wagoner and Steven Walker, “Joseph Smith: ‘The Gift of Seeing’,” Dialogue 15:2(1982): 49-68. the 4 Zinas book also i think covers part of this, as one of the authors is the person who discovered that one of the Zinas bought the seerstones at Brigham Young’s estate auction and donated them to the church directly to avoid their being lost.

]]> By: J. Stapley http://bycommonconsent.com/2007/01/06/new-from-the-lds-independent-journals/#comment-19375 Sat, 20 Jan 2007 17:20:01 +0000 http://www.bycommonconsent.com/2007/01/new-from-the-lds-independent-journals/#comment-19375 Joanne, several of Joseph’s seer stones, including the ones he used to translate the Book of Mormon, are in the First Presidency Vault. The best source of information I can recommend is Ashurst-McGee’s thesis.

]]> By: Joanne http://bycommonconsent.com/2007/01/06/new-from-the-lds-independent-journals/#comment-19374 Sat, 20 Jan 2007 05:32:36 +0000 http://www.bycommonconsent.com/2007/01/new-from-the-lds-independent-journals/#comment-19374 And I understand that Joseph sometimes translated without taking out the plates. So why did he need the plates at all, then?! Bushman touches on this in RSR, but it’s still an open question for me.

What ever happened to the seerstone? The latest mention I know of was connected to Wilford Woodruff and the Manti temple. Sadly, I can’t remember where I read that.

Kevin,
I read the excellent articles about the critical edition of the BOM. Nice job on yours! Could you help me understand how your theory of translation (versus Skousen’s) would affect your approach to discrepancies between BOM manuscripts and editions? Skousen accepted a couple of my conjectural emendations (none in 1st and 2nd Nephi though), so I’m looking forward to seeing them in print eventually. That might be as close as I ever get to being published.

]]> By: Matt W. http://bycommonconsent.com/2007/01/06/new-from-the-lds-independent-journals/#comment-19373 Mon, 08 Jan 2007 06:23:21 +0000 http://www.bycommonconsent.com/2007/01/new-from-the-lds-independent-journals/#comment-19373 re:Seer Stone in a Hat. Not to belabor the point, But JS also translated sometimes without any stone at all, from what I understand. From what I’ve read, as much as I recall, several reliable sources have him attempting many different styles of translating at different times in the process.

Be that as It may, that it my favorite southpark episode.

]]> By: Seth R. http://bycommonconsent.com/2007/01/06/new-from-the-lds-independent-journals/#comment-19372 Sun, 07 Jan 2007 21:51:01 +0000 http://www.bycommonconsent.com/2007/01/new-from-the-lds-independent-journals/#comment-19372 To my mind, innoculation is just a natural benefit of being straight with people.

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