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	<title>Comments on: Foreignness and otherness at the Helsinki temple open house</title>
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		<title>By: Kim</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kim]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jan 2007 09:03:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sakari, thanks for your thoughts.

Regarding the flying of the flag, I certainly never meant that any other flag than the Finnish one would be flown at the Helsinki temple. By &quot;foreign&quot; I simply meant Finland from the US perspective, but I should have been clearer.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sakari, thanks for your thoughts.</p>
<p>Regarding the flying of the flag, I certainly never meant that any other flag than the Finnish one would be flown at the Helsinki temple. By &#8220;foreign&#8221; I simply meant Finland from the US perspective, but I should have been clearer.</p>
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		<title>By: Sakari Ylinen</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2007/01/08/foreignness-and-otherness-at-the-helsinki-temple-open-house/#comment-87389</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sakari Ylinen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jan 2007 01:19:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[When the really big Finnish VIP&#039;s were there, more people from Frankfurt and perhaps from SLC were there for two reasons: 1 - &quot;Proper protocol&quot; calls for high level hosts for high level visitors. 2 - Some of the LDS leaders perhaps wanted to see &quot;the famous&quot; Finnish national leaders. A small scale groupie effect perhaps? So my guess is that this larger than necessary contingent of foreign LDS leaders led the media to believe that they, the visitors from Frankfurt and SLC had organized the event, when infact, had only had an indirect support role.

My comment about the polite listen to had only to do with the opening day of the VIP open house. Some of the PR people, newly arrived from SLC, had suggestions on how to do the event. By then the Finnish committee had everything ready. I know that at least the people in Frankfurt had been very impressed by the Finnish committee&#039;s work and how well the open house went.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When the really big Finnish VIP&#8217;s were there, more people from Frankfurt and perhaps from SLC were there for two reasons: 1 &#8211; &#8220;Proper protocol&#8221; calls for high level hosts for high level visitors. 2 &#8211; Some of the LDS leaders perhaps wanted to see &#8220;the famous&#8221; Finnish national leaders. A small scale groupie effect perhaps? So my guess is that this larger than necessary contingent of foreign LDS leaders led the media to believe that they, the visitors from Frankfurt and SLC had organized the event, when infact, had only had an indirect support role.</p>
<p>My comment about the polite listen to had only to do with the opening day of the VIP open house. Some of the PR people, newly arrived from SLC, had suggestions on how to do the event. By then the Finnish committee had everything ready. I know that at least the people in Frankfurt had been very impressed by the Finnish committee&#8217;s work and how well the open house went.</p>
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		<title>By: Norbert</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2007/01/08/foreignness-and-otherness-at-the-helsinki-temple-open-house/#comment-87388</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Norbert]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jan 2007 11:08:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;The tours, including the VIP events, and the guide training were all designed, organized and managed by Finns. By the time the Salt Lake PR people showed up everything was ready. Naturally, they were given a polite listen to. Iâ€™m sure that some of the Finns organizing the open house had seen it done elsewhere.&quot;

Yes, the committee was made up entirely of Finns, but all of the training was done based on videos and printed material produced by SLC/Frankfurt. In the six months before the open house there was steady stream of visitors from Frankfurt. Many, if not all, of the committee members went to the Copenhagen open house, or met with the members there who organized it. During the first VIP day, when I was there directing traffic, there were Frankfurt and SLC PR people, plus some GAs from the area presidency, plus many temple missionary couples. (Most of them speak Finnish to some degree, being former proselyters.) So I&#039;m not surprised some media folk felt there were a fair number of Americans about.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The tours, including the VIP events, and the guide training were all designed, organized and managed by Finns. By the time the Salt Lake PR people showed up everything was ready. Naturally, they were given a polite listen to. Iâ€™m sure that some of the Finns organizing the open house had seen it done elsewhere.&#8221;</p>
<p>Yes, the committee was made up entirely of Finns, but all of the training was done based on videos and printed material produced by SLC/Frankfurt. In the six months before the open house there was steady stream of visitors from Frankfurt. Many, if not all, of the committee members went to the Copenhagen open house, or met with the members there who organized it. During the first VIP day, when I was there directing traffic, there were Frankfurt and SLC PR people, plus some GAs from the area presidency, plus many temple missionary couples. (Most of them speak Finnish to some degree, being former proselyters.) So I&#8217;m not surprised some media folk felt there were a fair number of Americans about.</p>
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		<title>By: Ronan</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2007/01/08/foreignness-and-otherness-at-the-helsinki-temple-open-house/#comment-87387</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ronan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jan 2007 08:06:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sakari,
Nice report. Why do you think, though, that the Finnish media (Yle Radio Suomi) believed it was Americans, not Finns, who organised the Open House?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sakari,<br />
Nice report. Why do you think, though, that the Finnish media (Yle Radio Suomi) believed it was Americans, not Finns, who organised the Open House?</p>
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		<title>By: Sakari Ylinen</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2007/01/08/foreignness-and-otherness-at-the-helsinki-temple-open-house/#comment-87386</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sakari Ylinen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jan 2007 06:35:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The tours, including the VIP events, and the guide training were all designed, organized and managed by Finns. By the time the Salt Lake PR people showed up everything was ready. Naturally, they were given a polite listen to. I&#039;m sure that some of the Finns organizing the open house had seen it done elsewhere.

All the VIP&#039;s including the PM, the speaker of the parliament etc. were there as the result of a certain Finnish member of the LDS Church inviting them. If someone thinks there were a lot of Americans present when the VIP&#039;s were there, they simply can&#039;t tell a Finn from an American in business suit.

Of course, the flag they fly on the Finnish temple grounds is a Finnish flag. Dah! The flag pole is located in front of the visitors&#039; (housing) building. Every LDS temple I&#039;ve seen seems to have a flag pole somewhere on temple grounds and only flies the flag of the host country.

The architectural style of the temple building is in the words of the PM &quot;Finnish National Romantic&quot;. Examples of this style can be found both on the outside, as well as on the inside of the temple building. The shape of the spire and its copper covering, the front door and its ornamentation, the granite exterior, just to mention a few examples on the exterior.

For someone used having only negative press about the LDS Church in Finland, the temple open house publicity, which seemed over 90% positive, would have been too incongruous to believe had one not been there to see it. Just how was that possible? I&#039;ve my opinion on that.

Just one more thing: What on earth possessed the Finns to stand, (in countless instances) 1h 40m or longer in cold rain just to see a Mormon temple?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The tours, including the VIP events, and the guide training were all designed, organized and managed by Finns. By the time the Salt Lake PR people showed up everything was ready. Naturally, they were given a polite listen to. I&#8217;m sure that some of the Finns organizing the open house had seen it done elsewhere.</p>
<p>All the VIP&#8217;s including the PM, the speaker of the parliament etc. were there as the result of a certain Finnish member of the LDS Church inviting them. If someone thinks there were a lot of Americans present when the VIP&#8217;s were there, they simply can&#8217;t tell a Finn from an American in business suit.</p>
<p>Of course, the flag they fly on the Finnish temple grounds is a Finnish flag. Dah! The flag pole is located in front of the visitors&#8217; (housing) building. Every LDS temple I&#8217;ve seen seems to have a flag pole somewhere on temple grounds and only flies the flag of the host country.</p>
<p>The architectural style of the temple building is in the words of the PM &#8220;Finnish National Romantic&#8221;. Examples of this style can be found both on the outside, as well as on the inside of the temple building. The shape of the spire and its copper covering, the front door and its ornamentation, the granite exterior, just to mention a few examples on the exterior.</p>
<p>For someone used having only negative press about the LDS Church in Finland, the temple open house publicity, which seemed over 90% positive, would have been too incongruous to believe had one not been there to see it. Just how was that possible? I&#8217;ve my opinion on that.</p>
<p>Just one more thing: What on earth possessed the Finns to stand, (in countless instances) 1h 40m or longer in cold rain just to see a Mormon temple?</p>
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		<title>By: RE</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2007/01/08/foreignness-and-otherness-at-the-helsinki-temple-open-house/#comment-87385</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[RE]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jan 2007 15:08:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[FWIW, the Swiss temple, just outside of Bern, has a Swiss flag flying at all times (or, at least, all the times I&#039;ve seen it, which have been varied in time of day and season).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FWIW, the Swiss temple, just outside of Bern, has a Swiss flag flying at all times (or, at least, all the times I&#8217;ve seen it, which have been varied in time of day and season).</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel Peterson</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2007/01/08/foreignness-and-otherness-at-the-helsinki-temple-open-house/#comment-87384</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Daniel Peterson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jan 2007 00:42:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Very interesting.  Thanks.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very interesting.  Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Norbert</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2007/01/08/foreignness-and-otherness-at-the-helsinki-temple-open-house/#comment-87383</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Norbert]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jan 2007 14:07:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m in Helsinki (Neitsypolku ward).

They did insist that missionaries/members call for appointments, not do cold drop-bys.

The real sad story, though, is that the casual service and community oriented approach brought in by the current mission president seems to have been undermined by the dekmand for immediate results from the higher powers.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m in Helsinki (Neitsypolku ward).</p>
<p>They did insist that missionaries/members call for appointments, not do cold drop-bys.</p>
<p>The real sad story, though, is that the casual service and community oriented approach brought in by the current mission president seems to have been undermined by the dekmand for immediate results from the higher powers.</p>
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		<title>By: Kim</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2007/01/08/foreignness-and-otherness-at-the-helsinki-temple-open-house/#comment-87382</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kim]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jan 2007 21:06:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[From where do you hail, Norbert? I am in Tampere. Great to see somebody else living in Finland visiting the Bloggernacle.

There were around three thousand requests for copies of the Book of Mormon. An enormous number, as you said. Interestingly, these have been hand-delivered to the requesters by missionaries, sometimes together with members: The difference between &quot;I want church representatives to visit me&quot; and &quot;I want a copy of the Book of Mormon&quot; on the feedback form was thus effectively nullified.
Not sure what the requesters have thought about that, although I would suspect that most people don&#039;t mind. There has been some bad press generated due to a youngling being contacted, though.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From where do you hail, Norbert? I am in Tampere. Great to see somebody else living in Finland visiting the Bloggernacle.</p>
<p>There were around three thousand requests for copies of the Book of Mormon. An enormous number, as you said. Interestingly, these have been hand-delivered to the requesters by missionaries, sometimes together with members: The difference between &#8220;I want church representatives to visit me&#8221; and &#8220;I want a copy of the Book of Mormon&#8221; on the feedback form was thus effectively nullified.<br />
Not sure what the requesters have thought about that, although I would suspect that most people don&#8217;t mind. There has been some bad press generated due to a youngling being contacted, though.</p>
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		<title>By: Norbert</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Norbert]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jan 2007 19:48:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am an American living in Finland who was around during the open house. While most of the guides and such were local members for a majority of the open house, during the VIP days and the media day, there were more Americans around, specifically PR people and leadership from SLC and Frankfurt. While they did not necessarily give tours (although I think some GAs gave tours to very high-profile types, like the PM), there is something unmistakable and easily detectable about the American man in a suit. And the outside of the temple does look markedly American. I would argue that there are details on the inside that seem Finnish, but I think the ostentation of the celestial room and sealing rooms got a lot of notice.

The response of the public was fascinating, especially the range of people who were there and the general sense of reverence and politeness. On some days toward the end, there was an hour wait and it was raining, and people lined up to get in, mostly non-members. There were also an enourmous number of requests for Books of Mormon . . . perhaps a thousand?

The manner in which guides and other participants were trained was interesting. Endowment rooms were called learning rooms, and no references to veils or alters were to be made. I didn&#039;t feel like it was dishonest, but definitely designed to lower the other-ness of the temple.

It was an invigorating experience for members, though, and I think it has given many a renewed sense of their place in the community, which has not always been a positive.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am an American living in Finland who was around during the open house. While most of the guides and such were local members for a majority of the open house, during the VIP days and the media day, there were more Americans around, specifically PR people and leadership from SLC and Frankfurt. While they did not necessarily give tours (although I think some GAs gave tours to very high-profile types, like the PM), there is something unmistakable and easily detectable about the American man in a suit. And the outside of the temple does look markedly American. I would argue that there are details on the inside that seem Finnish, but I think the ostentation of the celestial room and sealing rooms got a lot of notice.</p>
<p>The response of the public was fascinating, especially the range of people who were there and the general sense of reverence and politeness. On some days toward the end, there was an hour wait and it was raining, and people lined up to get in, mostly non-members. There were also an enourmous number of requests for Books of Mormon . . . perhaps a thousand?</p>
<p>The manner in which guides and other participants were trained was interesting. Endowment rooms were called learning rooms, and no references to veils or alters were to be made. I didn&#8217;t feel like it was dishonest, but definitely designed to lower the other-ness of the temple.</p>
<p>It was an invigorating experience for members, though, and I think it has given many a renewed sense of their place in the community, which has not always been a positive.</p>
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