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		<title>By: audrey</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2007/02/28/the-jesus-tomb/#comment-52833</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Mar 2007 16:27:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What is the dna sequence found in the bone boxes that were supposed to be the burial box of Jesus amd Mariamne e Mara?I know they showed it on the tv program but I didn&#039;t write it down.Mary magdalene was the sister of Phillip the disciple of Jesus.WHen did they get together.I have read in places on the net that Mary Magdalene was a priestess.Have you read the Sybillene Oracles?Could she have been an oracle?And was God an Avatar?You do know there was a cave on Mount Sinai where a hermit lived.Could Moses have been duped into believing he was God.You do know that Moses father-in-law,Jethro, helped him organize a governing body and with some of the laws.
I think we take the bible for face value and don&#039;t try to find out where it comes from.But if it makes man kind better I see nothing wrong with that.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What is the dna sequence found in the bone boxes that were supposed to be the burial box of Jesus amd Mariamne e Mara?I know they showed it on the tv program but I didn&#8217;t write it down.Mary magdalene was the sister of Phillip the disciple of Jesus.WHen did they get together.I have read in places on the net that Mary Magdalene was a priestess.Have you read the Sybillene Oracles?Could she have been an oracle?And was God an Avatar?You do know there was a cave on Mount Sinai where a hermit lived.Could Moses have been duped into believing he was God.You do know that Moses father-in-law,Jethro, helped him organize a governing body and with some of the laws.<br />
I think we take the bible for face value and don&#8217;t try to find out where it comes from.But if it makes man kind better I see nothing wrong with that.</p>
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		<title>By: Charles Gadda</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2007/02/28/the-jesus-tomb/#comment-52835</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Mar 2007 23:30:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Contrary to what is being bandied about, the name &quot;Jesus&quot; is not legible on the ossuary.  Indeed, anyone who reads Hebrew or Aramaic can look at the tracing they give for Yeshua bar Yosef and immediately see that the name &quot;son of Yosef&quot; is clearly discernable towards the left, but that the letters yod, shin, vav and ayin are only by remote conjecture to be found in the scrawled writing etched into the stone following the big X-like marking on the right.

That is exactly why, in the Catalogue of Jewish Ossuaries where the tracing of the inscription was first published, the transcriber carefully puts a dot over the letters yod and shin, indicating in standard fashion that his reading is conjectural, and a question-mark after the entire name Yeshua, indicating that he is doubtful of the entire transcription of that name. He was clearly groping, because the letters vav and ayin are also not discernable and he should have put a dot over that part of his transcription as well. As everyone knows, there is another ossuary with the name Yeshua bar Yosef legibly inscribed on it, and it seems that the transcriber may have been influenced by that one in trying to figure out what this one says.

James Tabor, the religion professor promoting the &quot;Lost Tomb of Jesus&quot; film, is the same character at the center of the claim that an &quot;Essene latrine&quot; has been found near the site of Khirbet Qumran, where so-called traditional Qumranologists (including, it would appear, Tabor himself) continue to insist, in the face of mounting contrary evidence, that a sect of Essenes lived. Tabor is also involved in the current biased and misleading exhibits of the Dead Sea Scrolls traveling around the country.

For details, see http://jesus-crypt-fraud.blogspot.com/ and the other postings published by the authors of that blog.

For Tabor&#039;s &quot;Essene latrine&quot; efforts (also based in part on a misleading use of DNA evidence), see K. Galor and J. Zangenberg at http://www.forward.com/articles/led-astray-by-a-dead-sea-latrine/, or the most recent article by N. Golb on the Oriental Institute website, http://oi.uchicago.edu/research/projects/scr/).

Professor Jim Davilaâ€™s blog (March 6, 2007) http://paleojudaica.blogspot.com/ quotes Tabor as asserting to him in an email: &quot;I have never excavated even one tomb, and I am &lt;strong&gt;not even an archaeologist and have never claimed to be such&lt;/strong&gt;.&quot;

Yet Tabor himself, in an article published in the Charlotte Observer, excerpted on the same paleojudaica blog a year ago (February 13, 2006), wrote: &quot;&lt;strong&gt;As an archaeologist&lt;/strong&gt;, I have long observed and experienced the thrill that ancient discoveries cause in all of us. The look on the faces of my students as we uncover ancient ruins from the time of Jesus, or explore one of the caves where the scrolls were found, is unmistakable.&quot;

Tabor&#039;s Ph.D. was awarded to him by the University of Chicagoâ€™s Department of New Testament and Christian Literature (which is housed in that institutionâ€™s Divinity School building). The title of his dissertation was &quot;Things Unalterable: Paulâ€™s Ascent to Paradise&quot;. He clearly has no training as an archaeologist or historian, and we are only left to wonder at the motivations that led him to become involved in these phony scams.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Contrary to what is being bandied about, the name &#8220;Jesus&#8221; is not legible on the ossuary.  Indeed, anyone who reads Hebrew or Aramaic can look at the tracing they give for Yeshua bar Yosef and immediately see that the name &#8220;son of Yosef&#8221; is clearly discernable towards the left, but that the letters yod, shin, vav and ayin are only by remote conjecture to be found in the scrawled writing etched into the stone following the big X-like marking on the right.</p>
<p>That is exactly why, in the Catalogue of Jewish Ossuaries where the tracing of the inscription was first published, the transcriber carefully puts a dot over the letters yod and shin, indicating in standard fashion that his reading is conjectural, and a question-mark after the entire name Yeshua, indicating that he is doubtful of the entire transcription of that name. He was clearly groping, because the letters vav and ayin are also not discernable and he should have put a dot over that part of his transcription as well. As everyone knows, there is another ossuary with the name Yeshua bar Yosef legibly inscribed on it, and it seems that the transcriber may have been influenced by that one in trying to figure out what this one says.</p>
<p>James Tabor, the religion professor promoting the &#8220;Lost Tomb of Jesus&#8221; film, is the same character at the center of the claim that an &#8220;Essene latrine&#8221; has been found near the site of Khirbet Qumran, where so-called traditional Qumranologists (including, it would appear, Tabor himself) continue to insist, in the face of mounting contrary evidence, that a sect of Essenes lived. Tabor is also involved in the current biased and misleading exhibits of the Dead Sea Scrolls traveling around the country.</p>
<p>For details, see <a href="http://jesus-crypt-fraud.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">http://jesus-crypt-fraud.blogspot.com/</a> and the other postings published by the authors of that blog.</p>
<p>For Tabor&#8217;s &#8220;Essene latrine&#8221; efforts (also based in part on a misleading use of DNA evidence), see K. Galor and J. Zangenberg at <a href="http://www.forward.com/articles/led-astray-by-a-dead-sea-latrine/" rel="nofollow">http://www.forward.com/articles/led-astray-by-a-dead-sea-latrine/</a>, or the most recent article by N. Golb on the Oriental Institute website, <a href="http://oi.uchicago.edu/research/projects/scr/" rel="nofollow">http://oi.uchicago.edu/research/projects/scr/</a>).</p>
<p>Professor Jim Davilaâ€™s blog (March 6, 2007) <a href="http://paleojudaica.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">http://paleojudaica.blogspot.com/</a> quotes Tabor as asserting to him in an email: &#8220;I have never excavated even one tomb, and I am <strong>not even an archaeologist and have never claimed to be such</strong>.&#8221;</p>
<p>Yet Tabor himself, in an article published in the Charlotte Observer, excerpted on the same paleojudaica blog a year ago (February 13, 2006), wrote: &#8220;<strong>As an archaeologist</strong>, I have long observed and experienced the thrill that ancient discoveries cause in all of us. The look on the faces of my students as we uncover ancient ruins from the time of Jesus, or explore one of the caves where the scrolls were found, is unmistakable.&#8221;</p>
<p>Tabor&#8217;s Ph.D. was awarded to him by the University of Chicagoâ€™s Department of New Testament and Christian Literature (which is housed in that institutionâ€™s Divinity School building). The title of his dissertation was &#8220;Things Unalterable: Paulâ€™s Ascent to Paradise&#8221;. He clearly has no training as an archaeologist or historian, and we are only left to wonder at the motivations that led him to become involved in these phony scams.</p>
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		<title>By: Space Chick</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2007/02/28/the-jesus-tomb/#comment-52834</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Mar 2007 23:02:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Darwin

there is actually a shrine in Turkey near Ephesus that is commonly held to be the deathplace and burial site of Mary.  Maybe we should attempt to gatehr some DNA from that location and compare against anything found in the &quot;Jesus&quot; ossuary.

The fact that the Turkey site is a well-known tourist attraction strengthens the argument that IF the Jerusalem tomb site were genuine, or even suspected as genuine, it probably would not have been overlooked all these years, and would have been a popular pilgrimage location in it&#039;s own right.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Darwin</p>
<p>there is actually a shrine in Turkey near Ephesus that is commonly held to be the deathplace and burial site of Mary.  Maybe we should attempt to gatehr some DNA from that location and compare against anything found in the &#8220;Jesus&#8221; ossuary.</p>
<p>The fact that the Turkey site is a well-known tourist attraction strengthens the argument that IF the Jerusalem tomb site were genuine, or even suspected as genuine, it probably would not have been overlooked all these years, and would have been a popular pilgrimage location in it&#8217;s own right.</p>
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		<title>By: michelle larsen</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2007/02/28/the-jesus-tomb/#comment-52827</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Mar 2007 08:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My gut reaction watching the show (and I&#039;m a typical Mormon mom) was---the DNA stuff was iffy and could be from anything, the pantina studies were more convincing, the names were so interesting and statistically compelling, the bones of Jesus arguement is crazy to me why people get so defensive.  After experiencing pregnancy, and feeling an entire skeletal system develop from two cells--it is no less miraculous that we will experience something similar in the resurrection, &quot;something new and holier&quot;.  The one point from the documentary that gave me chills was learning of Mary Magdeline.  IF anything that comes from this I hope it is a better understanding of her, and why she was also called &quot;Master&quot;. And, what were all those documents in the tomb, and are they being guarded?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My gut reaction watching the show (and I&#8217;m a typical Mormon mom) was&#8212;the DNA stuff was iffy and could be from anything, the pantina studies were more convincing, the names were so interesting and statistically compelling, the bones of Jesus arguement is crazy to me why people get so defensive.  After experiencing pregnancy, and feeling an entire skeletal system develop from two cells&#8211;it is no less miraculous that we will experience something similar in the resurrection, &#8220;something new and holier&#8221;.  The one point from the documentary that gave me chills was learning of Mary Magdeline.  IF anything that comes from this I hope it is a better understanding of her, and why she was also called &#8220;Master&#8221;. And, what were all those documents in the tomb, and are they being guarded?</p>
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		<title>By: DKL</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2007/02/28/the-jesus-tomb/#comment-52829</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[DKL]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Mar 2007 04:25:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Interesting read. I take the negative critique as a pretty good expansion on my initial, gut-read of the situation; viz., absent a specific tradition about the tomb, there&#039;s no plausible way to construe it as belonging to Jesus.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting read. I take the negative critique as a pretty good expansion on my initial, gut-read of the situation; viz., absent a specific tradition about the tomb, there&#8217;s no plausible way to construe it as belonging to Jesus.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Barney</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2007/02/28/the-jesus-tomb/#comment-52831</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kevin Barney]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Mar 2007 03:42:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There is a well written negative critique of the claim &lt;a href=&quot;http://bib-arch.org/bswbKCtombmagness.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is a well written negative critique of the claim <a href="http://bib-arch.org/bswbKCtombmagness.html" rel="nofollow">here</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Barney</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2007/02/28/the-jesus-tomb/#comment-52830</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kevin Barney]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Mar 2007 00:24:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If someone watches the documentary, please report on it here.  (It conflicts with HBO&#039;s Rome, my favorite show, so I won&#039;t be watching it.)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If someone watches the documentary, please report on it here.  (It conflicts with HBO&#8217;s Rome, my favorite show, so I won&#8217;t be watching it.)</p>
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		<title>By: Brian N.</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2007/02/28/the-jesus-tomb/#comment-52832</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Brian N.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Mar 2007 23:28:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Just to set things straight, James Tabor does not teach at &quot;UNC&quot; he teaches at UNC-Charlotte.  He has written one book on his own and co-authored two more.  He has written no scholarly articles, but claims to have excavated &quot;over 500 tombs&quot; in Jerusalem alone.  His main past-time seems to be making outlandish claims on TV and not backing anything up with scholarly literature.  Why he&#039;s considered a &quot;heavyweight&quot; is beyond me, to say nothing of why he has tenure and the position of department head.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just to set things straight, James Tabor does not teach at &#8220;UNC&#8221; he teaches at UNC-Charlotte.  He has written one book on his own and co-authored two more.  He has written no scholarly articles, but claims to have excavated &#8220;over 500 tombs&#8221; in Jerusalem alone.  His main past-time seems to be making outlandish claims on TV and not backing anything up with scholarly literature.  Why he&#8217;s considered a &#8220;heavyweight&#8221; is beyond me, to say nothing of why he has tenure and the position of department head.</p>
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		<title>By: Blake</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2007/02/28/the-jesus-tomb/#comment-52828</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Blake]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Mar 2007 06:58:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There is a fairly decent discussion of the issues related to these claims by Richard Bauckham here: http://www.christilling.de/blog/2007/03/guest-post-by-richard-bauckham.html]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is a fairly decent discussion of the issues related to these claims by Richard Bauckham here: <a href="http://www.christilling.de/blog/2007/03/guest-post-by-richard-bauckham.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.christilling.de/blog/2007/03/guest-post-by-richard-bauckham.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: mami</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2007/02/28/the-jesus-tomb/#comment-52826</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Mar 2007 17:06:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Matt--I am highly skepitcal that this is anything genuine. But I think an ossuary with the enscription Matthew ahs nothing to do with it--why do you assume it is the NT Matthew?

Why don&#039;t they compare the DNA to Joseph Smith&#039;s ?:) TH That should verify everything!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matt&#8211;I am highly skepitcal that this is anything genuine. But I think an ossuary with the enscription Matthew ahs nothing to do with it&#8211;why do you assume it is the NT Matthew?</p>
<p>Why don&#8217;t they compare the DNA to Joseph Smith&#8217;s ?:) TH That should verify everything!</p>
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