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		<title>By: Sam MB</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Mar 2007 01:50:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Subrosa: agreed, martyrology was hugely important to many deaths in Nauvoo.  Follett was interesting because, as opposed to most of the other dead, whose death from natural causes could be attributed to a weakening of the organism related to persecution, rocks simply fell on his head.  The attempt to maintain Missouri ties in this setting I think more emphatically demonstrates the martyrological impulse.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Subrosa: agreed, martyrology was hugely important to many deaths in Nauvoo.  Follett was interesting because, as opposed to most of the other dead, whose death from natural causes could be attributed to a weakening of the organism related to persecution, rocks simply fell on his head.  The attempt to maintain Missouri ties in this setting I think more emphatically demonstrates the martyrological impulse.</p>
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		<title>By: subrosa</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Mar 2007 14:29:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Lionizing a recently deceased individual&#039;s faithfulness in Missouri is not unique to Follett&#039;s obit. It actually was quite common in the Nauvoo newspapers to include such sentiments in the obituaries of prominent Nauvooans. Follett&#039;s obituary is actually a bit timid in comparison to Edward Partridges&#039;s: â€œHe lost his life in consequence of the Missouri persecutions, and he is one of that number whose blood will be required at their hands. As a church we deplore our loss, but we rejoice in his gain. He rests where persecutors can assail him no moreâ€ (Obituary of Edward Partridge, Times and Seasons, June 1840, 128). Here the martyrological connection is explicitly made between Partridge&#039;s death and the Missouri persecutions, not implied as in the case with Follett.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lionizing a recently deceased individual&#8217;s faithfulness in Missouri is not unique to Follett&#8217;s obit. It actually was quite common in the Nauvoo newspapers to include such sentiments in the obituaries of prominent Nauvooans. Follett&#8217;s obituary is actually a bit timid in comparison to Edward Partridges&#8217;s: â€œHe lost his life in consequence of the Missouri persecutions, and he is one of that number whose blood will be required at their hands. As a church we deplore our loss, but we rejoice in his gain. He rests where persecutors can assail him no moreâ€ (Obituary of Edward Partridge, Times and Seasons, June 1840, 128). Here the martyrological connection is explicitly made between Partridge&#8217;s death and the Missouri persecutions, not implied as in the case with Follett.</p>
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		<title>By: Norbert</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Mar 2007 20:08:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;penetralia of domestic sociality&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I challenge everyone to use this phrase in conversation  at least once by the end of the week:]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>penetralia of domestic sociality</p></blockquote>
<p>I challenge everyone to use this phrase in conversation  at least once by the end of the week:</p>
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		<title>By: smb</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Mar 2007 19:29:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is the first obituary, no attribution, on the same page of the &lt;em&gt;Neighbor&lt;/em&gt;.

â€œElder Follett was one of those who bore the burden, in common with others of his brethren, in the days when menâ€™s faith was put to the test. He was a native of Vermont and moved many years since into the State of Ohio, county of Cuyahoga. There, for the first time he heard the gospel preached, and, like the Bareans of old, searched the scriptures to see if these things were so, regarding neither the scoffs nor threats of an opposing and gainsaying world, he united with the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, in the spring of 831, and has been a sharer in the afflictions through which the saints have passed from that time until the time of his death. He shared in the violence of the Missour[i] persecutions; was cast into prison, and endured many months imprisonment; and after long delay, obtained a trial on the charges preferred against him, and honorably discharged, being acquitted of all the crimes that a band of wicked persecutors could charge him with.
All the persecutions he endured only tended to strengthen his faith and confirm his hope; and he died as he had lived, rejoicing in the hope of future felicity.â€”Having united with the church in the forty-first year of his age, he filled up the prime of his life in the service of his God, and went to rest in his fifty sixth year; being fifty five years seven months and fourteen days old when he slept the sleep of death.
So the righteous pass and so they sleep, until the mandate of Him, for whom they suffer, and in whom they trust, shall call them forth to glory, honor, immortality and eternal life.â€]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is the first obituary, no attribution, on the same page of the <em>Neighbor</em>.</p>
<p>â€œElder Follett was one of those who bore the burden, in common with others of his brethren, in the days when menâ€™s faith was put to the test. He was a native of Vermont and moved many years since into the State of Ohio, county of Cuyahoga. There, for the first time he heard the gospel preached, and, like the Bareans of old, searched the scriptures to see if these things were so, regarding neither the scoffs nor threats of an opposing and gainsaying world, he united with the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, in the spring of 831, and has been a sharer in the afflictions through which the saints have passed from that time until the time of his death. He shared in the violence of the Missour[i] persecutions; was cast into prison, and endured many months imprisonment; and after long delay, obtained a trial on the charges preferred against him, and honorably discharged, being acquitted of all the crimes that a band of wicked persecutors could charge him with.<br />
All the persecutions he endured only tended to strengthen his faith and confirm his hope; and he died as he had lived, rejoicing in the hope of future felicity.â€”Having united with the church in the forty-first year of his age, he filled up the prime of his life in the service of his God, and went to rest in his fifty sixth year; being fifty five years seven months and fourteen days old when he slept the sleep of death.<br />
So the righteous pass and so they sleep, until the mandate of Him, for whom they suffer, and in whom they trust, shall call them forth to glory, honor, immortality and eternal life.â€</p>
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		<title>By: smb</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Mar 2007 19:28:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Blake, the language you reference is mine and it reflects my belief, confirmed by the early language of what we have of the KFD, that Smith&#039;s new expanded anthropology/theology were at least partially in response to these kinds of deaths.

Stapley, there are clues in the actual KFD that it was meant to serve as a sort of eulogy, at least in the sense of an attempt to explain this kind of tragic death.  Death from persecution could be understood as martyrdom and integrated into a Providential view, dying from a tub of rocks in the base of a well is much harder to explain.

The first obituary devotes much of the time to explaining his suffering in the Missouri persecutions, as if trying to push toward a martyrological explanation of his death.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Blake, the language you reference is mine and it reflects my belief, confirmed by the early language of what we have of the KFD, that Smith&#8217;s new expanded anthropology/theology were at least partially in response to these kinds of deaths.</p>
<p>Stapley, there are clues in the actual KFD that it was meant to serve as a sort of eulogy, at least in the sense of an attempt to explain this kind of tragic death.  Death from persecution could be understood as martyrdom and integrated into a Providential view, dying from a tub of rocks in the base of a well is much harder to explain.</p>
<p>The first obituary devotes much of the time to explaining his suffering in the Missouri persecutions, as if trying to push toward a martyrological explanation of his death.</p>
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		<title>By: Blake</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Mar 2007 17:39:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What I found interesting is that the 9 March 1844 obituary appears to call for some explanation of a death so difficult to understand. Accidentally killed in the bottom of a well by friends holding a bucket full of rocks after all that he had gone through in Missouri. It appears that Joseph&#039;s King Follett Discourse may have been in response to the obituary&#039;s statement that &quot;Of any deaths in the city of Nauvoo, this one deserved an explanation.&quot; In other words, &quot;God has a lot of explaining to do.&quot; I wonder if Joseph decided to give a complete explanation of the status of the dead and of the eternites in response to the implication that such an event is just unacceptable for God to allow?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What I found interesting is that the 9 March 1844 obituary appears to call for some explanation of a death so difficult to understand. Accidentally killed in the bottom of a well by friends holding a bucket full of rocks after all that he had gone through in Missouri. It appears that Joseph&#8217;s King Follett Discourse may have been in response to the obituary&#8217;s statement that &#8220;Of any deaths in the city of Nauvoo, this one deserved an explanation.&#8221; In other words, &#8220;God has a lot of explaining to do.&#8221; I wonder if Joseph decided to give a complete explanation of the status of the dead and of the eternites in response to the implication that such an event is just unacceptable for God to allow?</p>
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		<title>By: J. Stapley</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Mar 2007 16:18:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is a great excerpt and I especially liked the details about the funeral.  I&#039;m not sure that calling the April 7th discourse a funeral eulogy is accurate, though.  It seems like there is a bit of evidence that Joseph&#039;s March 10th discourse on Elijah was the actual funeral sermon.  It is further confused be &lt;em&gt;History of the Church&#039;s&lt;/em&gt; description the April 7th discourse: &quot;President Joseph Smith delivered a discourse before twenty thousand Saints, being the funeral sermon of Elder King Follett.&quot;

The funeral was almost a month earlier.  He just used the the circumstances of the death as an opportunity to speak on the eternities.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a great excerpt and I especially liked the details about the funeral.  I&#8217;m not sure that calling the April 7th discourse a funeral eulogy is accurate, though.  It seems like there is a bit of evidence that Joseph&#8217;s March 10th discourse on Elijah was the actual funeral sermon.  It is further confused be <em>History of the Church&#8217;s</em> description the April 7th discourse: &#8220;President Joseph Smith delivered a discourse before twenty thousand Saints, being the funeral sermon of Elder King Follett.&#8221;</p>
<p>The funeral was almost a month earlier.  He just used the the circumstances of the death as an opportunity to speak on the eternities.</p>
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		<title>By: smb</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Mar 2007 15:52:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree, I think L. was referring to the &quot;lights to rule the day.&quot;  These frontier auto-didacts are hard to pin down sometimes with their latinisms.  The Illuminati are of course also a mythical European hermetic group which as I recall were invoked with varying degrees of sophistication in the 19th century, usually for conspiracy theorists.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree, I think L. was referring to the &#8220;lights to rule the day.&#8221;  These frontier auto-didacts are hard to pin down sometimes with their latinisms.  The Illuminati are of course also a mythical European hermetic group which as I recall were invoked with varying degrees of sophistication in the 19th century, usually for conspiracy theorists.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Barney</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kevin Barney]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Mar 2007 14:57:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[We have a tendency to forget that that discourse was actually a funerary eulogy.  I had never seen this one; thanks for posting it, Sam.

I was interested in the expression &lt;em&gt;diurnal illuminati&lt;/em&gt;, which taken as a unit renders zero google hits.  In context it appears to be speaking of the sun and the moon, the great sources of daily light.  The word &lt;em&gt;diurnal &lt;/em&gt;derives from Latin diurnus, &quot;daily,&quot; and is the source for French &lt;em&gt;jour &lt;/em&gt;and English &lt;em&gt;journal&lt;/em&gt;.

This also called to my mind the note I wrote on &quot;daily&quot; bread in the Lord&#039;s Prayer at Matthew 6:11:

  The word &quot;daily&quot; is a rendering of an obscure GR word, &lt;em&gt;epiousios&lt;/em&gt;.  This word is rare in secular GR, and its meaning here is uncertain.  Some of the possibilities include:  (1) &quot;necessary for existence&quot; (deriving from &lt;em&gt;epi &lt;/em&gt;+ &lt;em&gt;ousia&lt;/em&gt;); (2) as a substantivizing of &lt;em&gt;epi tÄ“n ousan&lt;/em&gt; [&lt;em&gt;hÄ“meran&lt;/em&gt;], meaning &quot;for the current day, today&quot;; (3) &quot;for the following day&quot; (in this sense perhaps equivalent to the LAT &lt;em&gt;diaria&lt;/em&gt;, the daily ration of food given out for the following day (and the source of ENG diary); thus, one could render something like &quot;give us today our daily portion&quot;); and (4) &quot;for the future,&quot; understood in various senses, including an eschatological one, referring to bread for the coming kingdom and its feast.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We have a tendency to forget that that discourse was actually a funerary eulogy.  I had never seen this one; thanks for posting it, Sam.</p>
<p>I was interested in the expression <em>diurnal illuminati</em>, which taken as a unit renders zero google hits.  In context it appears to be speaking of the sun and the moon, the great sources of daily light.  The word <em>diurnal </em>derives from Latin diurnus, &#8220;daily,&#8221; and is the source for French <em>jour </em>and English <em>journal</em>.</p>
<p>This also called to my mind the note I wrote on &#8220;daily&#8221; bread in the Lord&#8217;s Prayer at Matthew 6:11:</p>
<p>  The word &#8220;daily&#8221; is a rendering of an obscure GR word, <em>epiousios</em>.  This word is rare in secular GR, and its meaning here is uncertain.  Some of the possibilities include:  (1) &#8220;necessary for existence&#8221; (deriving from <em>epi </em>+ <em>ousia</em>); (2) as a substantivizing of <em>epi tÄ“n ousan</em> [<em>hÄ“meran</em>], meaning &#8220;for the current day, today&#8221;; (3) &#8220;for the following day&#8221; (in this sense perhaps equivalent to the LAT <em>diaria</em>, the daily ration of food given out for the following day (and the source of ENG diary); thus, one could render something like &#8220;give us today our daily portion&#8221;); and (4) &#8220;for the future,&#8221; understood in various senses, including an eschatological one, referring to bread for the coming kingdom and its feast.</p>
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