All of this controversy about the ampersand reminds me of a little known fact about it’s brother, the *. That punctuation mark is properly referred to as the nathan, in honor of our revolutionary forebear Nathan Hale, who famously said, “My only regret is that I have but one asterisk for my country.”
Can someone please explain the asterisk quotation to me? Is that supposed to be like air-quotes or something? I would worry more about that than the at-sign.
My 22 and 23 year old sons (who have been correcting my grammar and pronunciation since they were 2 and 3) tell me that @ (sorry Steve) is an *ampersat*.
I have noticed the little @ signs being used lately around the blogs, and I don’t know what they’re supposed to mean. Why would you start a comment with “at”?
Outside of the “Bloggernacle,” it’s common practice to use the ampersat (@) symbol when addressing posters. Try reading a social news website entitled “Digg.com.”
Well, and did you know that in Danish, @ is called Snabel a? Snabel is the word for elephant’s trunk in Danish. (I had a very horrible time trying to get someone’s email address in Denmark over the phone a couple of years ago. He didn’t understand me when I said “at” and I really didn’t understand “snabel a”, and we were both struggling with the other person’s pronunciations of the vowels in our addresses.
Kim, I’m guessing you don’t have a clue as to whether I read Digg, reddit, slashdot, or anything else. Most users on Digg don’t use that annoying @ symbol, and NOBODY in the bloggernacle uses it.
I work in a technical field (architecture) and years ago a co-worker criticized a letter I had written because it contained the term “as per” in it. She said she was taught in a business writing class that we should write the way we speak I explained that afer several years of technical writing and specification writing “as per” was a part of my normal speaking vocabulary. Maybe “@” has just become part of our normal writing vocabulary.
Ok, so I’ve been writing for several years but not necessarily proof reading. It should have said “…write the way we speak. I explained that after several…” Sorry!
Lamonte, I’m willing to entertain the idea that usage is ultimately the determining factor. But usage as of yet does not provide that @ has become part of our normal writing vocabulary, and I won’t stand for it.
If someone around me was using “as per” in their normal speaking vocabulary, I might have to write a post entitled “Stop using ‘as per’ when speaking to me”
April 3, 2007 at 5:25 pm
Th@’s a great idea.
April 3, 2007 at 5:26 pm
Sm@ckdown!
April 3, 2007 at 5:27 pm
@rseholes.
April 3, 2007 at 5:29 pm
that’s the second time that swear word has been used today on this blog. Didn’t Elder Holland s@y something about this….
April 3, 2007 at 5:32 pm
haha, it didn’t work! You have to have something in front of the @ sign to work, for ex@mple…
April 3, 2007 at 5:47 pm
@Steve Evans:
C’mon man, it’s 2007.
April 3, 2007 at 5:49 pm
_@men brother Evans
April 3, 2007 at 5:50 pm
John Williams, that won’t keep me from banning you.
April 3, 2007 at 5:50 pm
(yes, I would)
April 3, 2007 at 6:01 pm
All of this controversy about the ampersand reminds me of a little known fact about it’s brother, the *. That punctuation mark is properly referred to as the nathan, in honor of our revolutionary forebear Nathan Hale, who famously said, “My only regret is that I have but one asterisk for my country.”
April 3, 2007 at 6:02 pm
H@ve you noticed that c@lling @ttention to @ problem only m@kes it worse?
April 3, 2007 at 6:05 pm
“it’s brother”? what kind of lawyer are you, slackerman?
April 3, 2007 at 6:08 pm
Actually, this controversy is over the at-sign, not the ampersand. The ampersand looks like this: &.
April 3, 2007 at 6:10 pm
I actually don’t know very much about punctuation. Sorry.
April 3, 2007 at 6:11 pm
It’s apparently not required in order to win awards at Mormon blog commenting.
April 3, 2007 at 6:25 pm
Can someone please explain the asterisk quotation to me? Is that supposed to be like air-quotes or something? I would worry more about that than the at-sign.
April 3, 2007 at 6:33 pm
Ampersands, nathans, at signs, what’s the diff?
April 3, 2007 at 6:38 pm
Sorry, John, explaining the joke would suck what little funny there is right out of it.
April 3, 2007 at 6:40 pm
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April 3, 2007 at 6:41 pm
I don’t make the rules here.
April 3, 2007 at 6:44 pm
The nathans around words in blogs and comments is just a way of emphasizing them. Like making them *bold.*
April 3, 2007 at 6:47 pm
Susan, nice usage.
April 3, 2007 at 6:49 pm
I learned a new word today. “Nathan.” It’s kinda cute.
April 3, 2007 at 6:51 pm
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April 3, 2007 at 6:53 pm
By the way, my deleted comments *do not* contain any form of vulgarity.
April 3, 2007 at 6:54 pm
(besides the prohibited use of the at-sign)
April 3, 2007 at 6:54 pm
Did I mention that I’m an admin here, John Williams?
April 3, 2007 at 6:56 pm
I noticed.
April 3, 2007 at 7:05 pm
My 22 and 23 year old sons (who have been correcting my grammar and pronunciation since they were 2 and 3) tell me that @ (sorry Steve) is an *ampersat*.
April 3, 2007 at 7:06 pm
Two new words in one day. I should read this blog more often.
April 3, 2007 at 7:15 pm
I have noticed the little @ signs being used lately around the blogs, and I don’t know what they’re supposed to mean. Why would you start a comment with “at”?
April 3, 2007 at 7:15 pm
Dan (4) $o $orry.
April 3, 2007 at 7:36 pm
Dear Mr. Wondering:
RE: Comment #32
Outside of the “Bloggernacle,” it’s common practice to use the ampersat (@) symbol when addressing posters. Try reading a social news website entitled “Digg.com.”
Regards,
John Williams
April 3, 2007 at 7:40 pm
Dear Mr. Wondering:
RE: Comment #33
Correction: I was referring to Comment #31.
All the best,
John Williams
April 3, 2007 at 8:12 pm
Do you all know you have the same story about John Carmack on the sideblog twice?
BYW, do you know what sound a machine gun makes? R@t@t@t@t@t@t@t@t@t@t@t@t@t
April 3, 2007 at 9:47 pm
Matt W., it’s THAT good!
April 3, 2007 at 9:56 pm
Machine guns go: R@t@t@t@t@t!
Drums go: R@t-@-t@t@t!
Charlie Brown goes: R@ts!!!
Lawyers go: Squeak!
April 3, 2007 at 9:59 pm
Well, and did you know that in Danish, @ is called Snabel a? Snabel is the word for elephant’s trunk in Danish. (I had a very horrible time trying to get someone’s email address in Denmark over the phone a couple of years ago. He didn’t understand me when I said “at” and I really didn’t understand “snabel a”, and we were both struggling with the other person’s pronunciations of the vowels in our addresses.
April 3, 2007 at 10:01 pm
In HS print shop, we had quizzes on what to call different symbols, and this was the ‘commercial at,’ or commat. (Odd that I remember that from HS…)
Here’s a Natural History of the @ Sign for its name in various languages.
April 3, 2007 at 10:03 pm
Norbert, that’s extremely cool. For years in France I thought it was the “arabesque.”
April 3, 2007 at 11:13 pm
What’s your favorite scene from The Empire Strikes Back?
Me, I kinda like it when the @-@s attack . . .
April 4, 2007 at 1:00 am
G00fus is g@@fy.
April 4, 2007 at 8:47 am
Wh@tever.
April 4, 2007 at 9:32 am
I’m guessing Steve doesn’t read Digg.
April 4, 2007 at 9:41 am
@@@@@:-) Marge Simpson smiley
April 4, 2007 at 10:05 am
Kim, I’m guessing you don’t have a clue as to whether I read Digg, reddit, slashdot, or anything else. Most users on Digg don’t use that annoying @ symbol, and NOBODY in the bloggernacle uses it.
April 4, 2007 at 10:14 am
===>Kim
HRYK
April 4, 2007 at 10:20 am
pwn3d!
April 4, 2007 at 10:28 am
Y0u’r3 50 |337!
April 4, 2007 at 11:52 am
Steve,
I work in a technical field (architecture) and years ago a co-worker criticized a letter I had written because it contained the term “as per” in it. She said she was taught in a business writing class that we should write the way we speak I explained that afer several years of technical writing and specification writing “as per” was a part of my normal speaking vocabulary. Maybe “@” has just become part of our normal writing vocabulary.
April 4, 2007 at 11:55 am
Ok, so I’ve been writing for several years but not necessarily proof reading. It should have said “…write the way we speak. I explained that after several…” Sorry!
April 4, 2007 at 12:08 pm
Lamonte, I’m willing to entertain the idea that usage is ultimately the determining factor. But usage as of yet does not provide that @ has become part of our normal writing vocabulary, and I won’t stand for it.
April 4, 2007 at 12:58 pm
If someone around me was using “as per” in their normal speaking vocabulary, I might have to write a post entitled “Stop using ‘as per’ when speaking to me”
April 4, 2007 at 3:30 pm
It’s Steve’s blog. He can cry if he wants to.
April 4, 2007 at 9:03 pm
I’m fairly fearless, but I’m starting to become frightened.
April 5, 2007 at 6:41 am
#53 Jacob J – Are you saying that as per your true beliefs or are just making a joke @ my expense?
April 5, 2007 at 9:23 pm
Steve: Nobody? Just checking around, it seems like it’s going on quite a bit. Have you checked over at T&@?
April 5, 2007 at 9:34 pm
Maybe . . . but lots of folks elsewhere do.
April 5, 2007 at 9:39 pm
NOBODY!!
April 5, 2007 at 9:44 pm
Beautiful pwn3d Steve! Now all we need is a lag = ban and we’d be set…
April 5, 2007 at 9:50 pm
much props J in A.
April 5, 2007 at 10:17 pm
Indeed Steve, your ban has begun to have some effect throughout the internets.