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		<title>By: By Common Consent &#187; Welcome M. Norbert!</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2007/04/11/culture-and-my-family/#comment-91428</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[By Common Consent &#187; Welcome M. Norbert!]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Apr 2007 12:13:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: JKS</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2007/04/11/culture-and-my-family/#comment-91427</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Apr 2007 21:00:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Its interesting to read about all these &quot;ex-pats&quot; experiences.  I grew up outside of the US and it is a totally different experience than marrying someone of a different country/culture and trying to navigate through that.  In my house we were all American, no question.
I went to ACS (American Community School) in Cobham, England.  It had that name in the late 70s/early 80s and still had that name when I returned to it in the late 80s.  I believe they had another campus in Wimbledon.  And then there was also American School of London.  Plenty of American schools.
As for those of you who move often.....perhaps that explains my brother.  He keeps moving and moving and moving on a yearly basis.  We are starting to get concerned about all that moving.
I noticed that after 5 years in one place I get really antsy.  It doesn&#039;t feel more and more like home....it feels less.  The last time I started to fantasize about my husband getting a different job.  Luckily, we decided we could afford to upgrade and it was time to upgrade from our starter fixer upper so I got to move to a new house a few blocks away....same ward, actually, but it hadn&#039;t been intetional.  As much as I loved my ward, I didn&#039;t care whether I stayed in it or not.
I&#039;ve been here almost 3 years.  What if in two years I go through the same thing again?  What if I start feeling desperate to leave my house and find a new home?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its interesting to read about all these &#8220;ex-pats&#8221; experiences.  I grew up outside of the US and it is a totally different experience than marrying someone of a different country/culture and trying to navigate through that.  In my house we were all American, no question.<br />
I went to ACS (American Community School) in Cobham, England.  It had that name in the late 70s/early 80s and still had that name when I returned to it in the late 80s.  I believe they had another campus in Wimbledon.  And then there was also American School of London.  Plenty of American schools.<br />
As for those of you who move often&#8230;..perhaps that explains my brother.  He keeps moving and moving and moving on a yearly basis.  We are starting to get concerned about all that moving.<br />
I noticed that after 5 years in one place I get really antsy.  It doesn&#8217;t feel more and more like home&#8230;.it feels less.  The last time I started to fantasize about my husband getting a different job.  Luckily, we decided we could afford to upgrade and it was time to upgrade from our starter fixer upper so I got to move to a new house a few blocks away&#8230;.same ward, actually, but it hadn&#8217;t been intetional.  As much as I loved my ward, I didn&#8217;t care whether I stayed in it or not.<br />
I&#8217;ve been here almost 3 years.  What if in two years I go through the same thing again?  What if I start feeling desperate to leave my house and find a new home?</p>
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		<title>By: veritas</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2007/04/11/culture-and-my-family/#comment-91401</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Apr 2007 02:36:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Meems, ISS was a crazy experience because it is so very small.  My sister&#039;s graduating class had 20 people. It has grown because there is a NATO base there now...but it is still very small.  And evidently, you have my dream job too.

What you are doing for your kids is awesome.  My parents had all five of their children in five different places (and three different countries).  My experience growing up overseas is something I would never trade for anything in the world. I worry about raising kids &#039;in one place&#039; because so much of who I am came from moving around and living in other countries.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Meems, ISS was a crazy experience because it is so very small.  My sister&#8217;s graduating class had 20 people. It has grown because there is a NATO base there now&#8230;but it is still very small.  And evidently, you have my dream job too.</p>
<p>What you are doing for your kids is awesome.  My parents had all five of their children in five different places (and three different countries).  My experience growing up overseas is something I would never trade for anything in the world. I worry about raising kids &#8216;in one place&#8217; because so much of who I am came from moving around and living in other countries.</p>
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		<title>By: meems</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2007/04/11/culture-and-my-family/#comment-91402</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Apr 2007 01:16:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wow, Norbert, what great job postings.  And Veritas, I know both of your former schools!  We&#039;re always trying to get interviews with Stavanger!

My husband and I have been on the international circuit for the past 15 years plus one more year prior to some time in the States.  We have our two kids while living in Japan and now we&#039;re in Malaysia, ready to make the move to Saudi.  We&#039;ve been in Turkey, Ecuador and (again) Saudi Arabia.  Ex-pat life before kids and after kids is a big difference, but it&#039;s interesting to experience family life without an extended family support system.  It&#039;s true that as a family we really form stronger bonds than what might be &quot;usual.&quot;  I was just talking to a woman I met the other day who was a French-Canadian who had raised her son all over the world, and she brought this specific point up.  Our kids are 6 &amp; 7 and have never lived in the US, and  they probably won&#039;t until they&#039;re much older.  Much like you, we try to teach them bits and pieces about their American roots, and give them lessons in American history/geography or whatever, but it&#039;s still very much a foreign country to them.

Anyway.  I&#039;m also interested in hearing about your experience with body attitudes and culture; (ours is different because of our time in Japan.  Those dang family baths and all).

I think one reason I love the bloggernacle so much is because it connects me to my LDS culture when I&#039;m so far away.  The members around the world are incredible, but sometimes it&#039;s hard to communicate (literally) and other times it&#039;s just mentally exhausting.  oh yeah, and oftentimes the women in RS will look over to me and say things like, &quot;you&#039;re the American.  What&#039;s the REAL answer?&quot;  Kind of weird.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, Norbert, what great job postings.  And Veritas, I know both of your former schools!  We&#8217;re always trying to get interviews with Stavanger!</p>
<p>My husband and I have been on the international circuit for the past 15 years plus one more year prior to some time in the States.  We have our two kids while living in Japan and now we&#8217;re in Malaysia, ready to make the move to Saudi.  We&#8217;ve been in Turkey, Ecuador and (again) Saudi Arabia.  Ex-pat life before kids and after kids is a big difference, but it&#8217;s interesting to experience family life without an extended family support system.  It&#8217;s true that as a family we really form stronger bonds than what might be &#8220;usual.&#8221;  I was just talking to a woman I met the other day who was a French-Canadian who had raised her son all over the world, and she brought this specific point up.  Our kids are 6 &amp; 7 and have never lived in the US, and  they probably won&#8217;t until they&#8217;re much older.  Much like you, we try to teach them bits and pieces about their American roots, and give them lessons in American history/geography or whatever, but it&#8217;s still very much a foreign country to them.</p>
<p>Anyway.  I&#8217;m also interested in hearing about your experience with body attitudes and culture; (ours is different because of our time in Japan.  Those dang family baths and all).</p>
<p>I think one reason I love the bloggernacle so much is because it connects me to my LDS culture when I&#8217;m so far away.  The members around the world are incredible, but sometimes it&#8217;s hard to communicate (literally) and other times it&#8217;s just mentally exhausting.  oh yeah, and oftentimes the women in RS will look over to me and say things like, &#8220;you&#8217;re the American.  What&#8217;s the REAL answer?&#8221;  Kind of weird.</p>
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		<title>By: John Mansfield</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2007/04/11/culture-and-my-family/#comment-91403</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John Mansfield]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Apr 2007 21:37:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Norbert, if you and your family ever think you want to try life in the United States, consider the Keweenaw Peninsula, which juts into Lake Superior.  When I interviewed at a small company with about dozen people, I met: a woman with a Finnish surname and a local accent; an immigrant from Finland; and a man who had lived in Finland at some point and was married to a Finn.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Norbert, if you and your family ever think you want to try life in the United States, consider the Keweenaw Peninsula, which juts into Lake Superior.  When I interviewed at a small company with about dozen people, I met: a woman with a Finnish surname and a local accent; an immigrant from Finland; and a man who had lived in Finland at some point and was married to a Finn.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Evans</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2007/04/11/culture-and-my-family/#comment-91404</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Steve Evans]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Apr 2007 21:02:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mark, I&#039;m trying to fit in!  That is one of the gifts of my People.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark, I&#8217;m trying to fit in!  That is one of the gifts of my People.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark B.</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2007/04/11/culture-and-my-family/#comment-91405</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mark B.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Apr 2007 20:51:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m sorry to see that Steve Evans has caved, that the &quot;true North&quot; really isn&#039;t strong and free anymore--at least in his mind.

How else could he reduce his expat experience to a few years in Paris, ignoring many more years than that in the &quot;lower 48&quot;?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sorry to see that Steve Evans has caved, that the &#8220;true North&#8221; really isn&#8217;t strong and free anymore&#8211;at least in his mind.</p>
<p>How else could he reduce his expat experience to a few years in Paris, ignoring many more years than that in the &#8220;lower 48&#8243;?</p>
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		<title>By: Norbert</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2007/04/11/culture-and-my-family/#comment-91407</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Norbert]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Apr 2007 20:31:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yes, I think my wife does have more cultural control in our house. A good example is what is considered healthy food. We have somewhat different views because of our cultures, but because she makes so many of the decisions about food, her views on health get more play. Your point about your husband&#039;s disenchantment with his own culture is interesting, too. I&#039;m probably more happy to be liberated from my culture than my wife is. You also remind me how lucky I am: to be teaching a language and representing a culture that gets enormous attention and for which there are myriad resources.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, I think my wife does have more cultural control in our house. A good example is what is considered healthy food. We have somewhat different views because of our cultures, but because she makes so many of the decisions about food, her views on health get more play. Your point about your husband&#8217;s disenchantment with his own culture is interesting, too. I&#8217;m probably more happy to be liberated from my culture than my wife is. You also remind me how lucky I am: to be teaching a language and representing a culture that gets enormous attention and for which there are myriad resources.</p>
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		<title>By: a spectator</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[a spectator]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Apr 2007 20:17:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Veritas--I went to ACS too (that was the 80s, maybe the name has changed?).

I have been an ex-pat on several continents, and have enjoyed it.

My husband and I are bi-cultural and bi-lingual and I really admire your bilingualism.  We are also One parent One language, but it is very hard, because the language he is teaching the kids (most people in his cultural are at least tri-cultural) is simply not present elsewhere.  There are no books, no videos, and no local ex-pats besides himself (it is an African language), so the kids only have him as a model.  We have struggled, but hope to improve.

I am also curious about your cultural choices.  I find that my husband is somewhat resigned to do things my way, although I do what I can to include his culture (food, language, holidays, etc.)  I think some of it is what he feels like assimilation is inevitable .  Some of it is disenchantment with certain aspects of his culture.  I wonder, though, if some of it is that I am the Mom and make so many household decisions?  Do you think that plays a role in your household?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Veritas&#8211;I went to ACS too (that was the 80s, maybe the name has changed?).</p>
<p>I have been an ex-pat on several continents, and have enjoyed it.</p>
<p>My husband and I are bi-cultural and bi-lingual and I really admire your bilingualism.  We are also One parent One language, but it is very hard, because the language he is teaching the kids (most people in his cultural are at least tri-cultural) is simply not present elsewhere.  There are no books, no videos, and no local ex-pats besides himself (it is an African language), so the kids only have him as a model.  We have struggled, but hope to improve.</p>
<p>I am also curious about your cultural choices.  I find that my husband is somewhat resigned to do things my way, although I do what I can to include his culture (food, language, holidays, etc.)  I think some of it is what he feels like assimilation is inevitable .  Some of it is disenchantment with certain aspects of his culture.  I wonder, though, if some of it is that I am the Mom and make so many household decisions?  Do you think that plays a role in your household?</p>
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		<title>By: Veritas</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Veritas]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Apr 2007 19:50:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have a special fondness in my heart for the Stockholm temple.  Someday I would like to be able to travel back there.

Tstevens - I would echo that having been an expat and moved my whole life, the biggest side effect is restlessness.  I cannot seem to stay in one place for very long, and every year or so find myself looking for the next place to live.  My sister had the opposite reaction however, and quickly found herself a &#039;hometown&#039;.

Those of you who are jealous...you do realize what winters in Scandivia are like right?  Its not just cold...there is the whole matter of NO SUN.  There is a reason people drink alot :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a special fondness in my heart for the Stockholm temple.  Someday I would like to be able to travel back there.</p>
<p>Tstevens &#8211; I would echo that having been an expat and moved my whole life, the biggest side effect is restlessness.  I cannot seem to stay in one place for very long, and every year or so find myself looking for the next place to live.  My sister had the opposite reaction however, and quickly found herself a &#8216;hometown&#8217;.</p>
<p>Those of you who are jealous&#8230;you do realize what winters in Scandivia are like right?  Its not just cold&#8230;there is the whole matter of NO SUN.  There is a reason people drink alot :)</p>
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