Comments on: Richard Dutcher, Vehicle of God’s Grace http://bycommonconsent.com/2007/04/16/richard-dutcher-vehicle-of-gods-grace/ A Mormon Blog Tue, 14 Feb 2012 20:31:41 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.com/ By: Some interesting perspectives on leaving the church, by Richard Dutcher « Mormon 2 Catholic http://bycommonconsent.com/2007/04/16/richard-dutcher-vehicle-of-gods-grace/#comment-150541 Tue, 01 May 2007 13:20:40 +0000 http://www.bycommonconsent.com/2007/04/richard-dutcher-vehicle-of-gods-grace/#comment-150541 [...] interesting, I found this second letter, written in the comments of the liberal faithful LDS blog By Common Consent, to be much more revealing and to really discuss the pain that comes with leaving the church: [...]

]]> By: The Cultural Hall » Blog Archive » The River http://bycommonconsent.com/2007/04/16/richard-dutcher-vehicle-of-gods-grace/#comment-150542 Tue, 01 May 2007 04:28:38 +0000 http://www.bycommonconsent.com/2007/04/richard-dutcher-vehicle-of-gods-grace/#comment-150542 [...] have been a couple of boat analogies kicking around the bloggernacle in the last few weeks. I don’t have a boat. [...]

]]> By: Mormon Stories Podcast » Thomas B. Marsh’s Story http://bycommonconsent.com/2007/04/16/richard-dutcher-vehicle-of-gods-grace/#comment-150540 Sun, 22 Apr 2007 17:02:49 +0000 http://www.bycommonconsent.com/2007/04/richard-dutcher-vehicle-of-gods-grace/#comment-150540 [...] Richard Dutcher’s comments last week about leaving the LDS Church, he mentioned the traditional legend we hear in the church — that Thomas B. Marsh left over a [...]

]]> By: Trevor http://bycommonconsent.com/2007/04/16/richard-dutcher-vehicle-of-gods-grace/#comment-150539 Sat, 21 Apr 2007 02:26:48 +0000 http://www.bycommonconsent.com/2007/04/richard-dutcher-vehicle-of-gods-grace/#comment-150539 To Richard-

Thanks for the films. They were groundbreaking works of Mormon art. I enjoyed them immensely, and I wish you well.

To everyone else-

Now that the discussion has descended to discussing exactly what should or should not be sacrificed for art, I would love to see this thread put to bed. I am sure I will not get my wish.

]]> By: Marc Bohn http://bycommonconsent.com/2007/04/16/richard-dutcher-vehicle-of-gods-grace/#comment-150538 Sat, 21 Apr 2007 02:05:26 +0000 http://www.bycommonconsent.com/2007/04/richard-dutcher-vehicle-of-gods-grace/#comment-150538 CortM – I’ve seen States several times, and I simply don’t see it as pushing the idea that everything was all hunky dory during the closing scene… I see it as simply showing a troubled young man who had lost hope because of a tragic mistake realize that through Christ things could yet become perfect.

I agree with you wholeheartedly on the “burying your weapons of war” scene… You’re right that there are a lot of non-Mormon films that portray this well. Your description of “[T]he soul seared, the sin confessed [and] the Savior, through the Spirit, teaching, guiding and cleansing” brought vividly to my mind the movie The Mission.

]]> By: Steve Evans http://bycommonconsent.com/2007/04/16/richard-dutcher-vehicle-of-gods-grace/#comment-150537 Sat, 21 Apr 2007 01:16:31 +0000 http://www.bycommonconsent.com/2007/04/richard-dutcher-vehicle-of-gods-grace/#comment-150537 MCQ, that said, there’s a point at which sacrificing for art is in fact selfish. I don’t believe that “true mormon art is raising your family,” but I can see how failing in raising your family because of artistic pursuits would be selfish.

]]> By: MCQ http://bycommonconsent.com/2007/04/16/richard-dutcher-vehicle-of-gods-grace/#comment-150536 Sat, 21 Apr 2007 00:49:00 +0000 http://www.bycommonconsent.com/2007/04/richard-dutcher-vehicle-of-gods-grace/#comment-150536

Is it possible that the true Mormon art is raising your family, and helping the poor, and doing your home teaching, that the time and effort artistic expression requires is, well, kind of selfish?

Answer: No, it’s not. Life is life and art is art, and we need both.

]]> By: DeRucci http://bycommonconsent.com/2007/04/16/richard-dutcher-vehicle-of-gods-grace/#comment-150535 Sat, 21 Apr 2007 00:26:41 +0000 http://www.bycommonconsent.com/2007/04/richard-dutcher-vehicle-of-gods-grace/#comment-150535 Hellmut,
Frankly you’re admonition would carry greater weight if you offered similar chastisement to your DAMU friends.

]]> By: Ugly Mahana http://bycommonconsent.com/2007/04/16/richard-dutcher-vehicle-of-gods-grace/#comment-150534 Sat, 21 Apr 2007 00:21:22 +0000 http://www.bycommonconsent.com/2007/04/richard-dutcher-vehicle-of-gods-grace/#comment-150534 “That remark is tasteless and petty.”

I think the question could be more nuanced and introspective than petty. Perhaps this would be clear if the argument were made that raising a family instead of offering the Church and the world remarkable gifts of art is selfish. Sometimes art can be selfish. Sometimes indulging a family can be selfish. Balancing is hard. Saying that there is nothing to balance is foolish.

]]> By: Steve Evans http://bycommonconsent.com/2007/04/16/richard-dutcher-vehicle-of-gods-grace/#comment-150533 Sat, 21 Apr 2007 00:19:00 +0000 http://www.bycommonconsent.com/2007/04/richard-dutcher-vehicle-of-gods-grace/#comment-150533 Tasteless and petty, Hellmut? How’s that? Your comment seems unusually harsh – and in this case, misplaced.

And where did CortM suggest that Richard was evil?

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