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	<title>Comments on: On being an anonymous satirist (or, at least, trying)</title>
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		<title>By: Mark IV</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2007/04/20/on-being-an-anonymous-satirist-or-at-least-trying/#comment-110926</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mark IV]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Apr 2007 13:26:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It is my opinion that a community that takes itself as seriously as the bloggernacle absolutely needs a mechanism for ego deflation.

In medieval courts, the jester was allowed to say things that needed to be said, but that the lords and dukes were all fearful to say.  That is the function the blog snarks fill.

The greatest threat to the Mormon blogosphere doesn&#039;t come from snarky meanness, whatever that is, but from self importance and an almost invincible self-righteousness.  We need somebody to help us let the air out of our balloons now and then.

Finally HP/JDC, since this is True Confession time, I now know it was you who deleted my anonymous comment at Ironic Priesthood.  It was the comment that asked the question if there was a difference between an extra large box of condoms and a box of extra large condoms.  The fact that you deleted it says a lot about you, all good IMO, but c&#039;mon man!  That was funny, and it wasn&#039;t even PG!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is my opinion that a community that takes itself as seriously as the bloggernacle absolutely needs a mechanism for ego deflation.</p>
<p>In medieval courts, the jester was allowed to say things that needed to be said, but that the lords and dukes were all fearful to say.  That is the function the blog snarks fill.</p>
<p>The greatest threat to the Mormon blogosphere doesn&#8217;t come from snarky meanness, whatever that is, but from self importance and an almost invincible self-righteousness.  We need somebody to help us let the air out of our balloons now and then.</p>
<p>Finally HP/JDC, since this is True Confession time, I now know it was you who deleted my anonymous comment at Ironic Priesthood.  It was the comment that asked the question if there was a difference between an extra large box of condoms and a box of extra large condoms.  The fact that you deleted it says a lot about you, all good IMO, but c&#8217;mon man!  That was funny, and it wasn&#8217;t even PG!</p>
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		<title>By: HP/JDC</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2007/04/20/on-being-an-anonymous-satirist-or-at-least-trying/#comment-110925</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[HP/JDC]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Apr 2007 12:47:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think that the desire to not alienate oneself from the community is what makes anonymity appealing to the bloggernacle satirist.  We are a very selective group, one with little interest in having our faults pointed out to us.  The gadfly is easily dismissed as a troll.  If our friends turn into trolls, it disturbs us.  So, much of our satire is anonymous in order to protect one&#039;s place in the community.

I would probably divide up comedic genres as follows: parody comes from love; satire from anger.  Parody wants to be that which it emulates; satire despises it.  Both have their place.  Parody is certainly gentler.

Regarding fighting a power structure, I assure you that there is no power structure that runs the cabal that dominates all posting on the Mormon Blogosphere.  Do not cross Greg Call or you may never be heard from again!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that the desire to not alienate oneself from the community is what makes anonymity appealing to the bloggernacle satirist.  We are a very selective group, one with little interest in having our faults pointed out to us.  The gadfly is easily dismissed as a troll.  If our friends turn into trolls, it disturbs us.  So, much of our satire is anonymous in order to protect one&#8217;s place in the community.</p>
<p>I would probably divide up comedic genres as follows: parody comes from love; satire from anger.  Parody wants to be that which it emulates; satire despises it.  Both have their place.  Parody is certainly gentler.</p>
<p>Regarding fighting a power structure, I assure you that there is no power structure that runs the cabal that dominates all posting on the Mormon Blogosphere.  Do not cross Greg Call or you may never be heard from again!</p>
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		<title>By: Ronan</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2007/04/20/on-being-an-anonymous-satirist-or-at-least-trying/#comment-110924</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ronan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Apr 2007 17:57:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Norbert,
Re: Colbert.
Amen.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Norbert,<br />
Re: Colbert.<br />
Amen.</p>
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		<title>By: Norbert</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2007/04/20/on-being-an-anonymous-satirist-or-at-least-trying/#comment-110923</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Norbert]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Apr 2007 17:37:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Interesting ideas. Satire can be a great tool for moral instruction, of course. I remember a recent Ensign article that asked us to imagine that the prophet came to a priesthood lesson and nobody let him talk. That seems to brushing the lightest corner of satire, or am I reaching?

I wonder what people made of the Colbert Report&#039;s recent brushes with Mormonism? I realize that the show will be condemned for mocking that which is sacred in some circles, but I think we need to get used to garments and other practices being discussed in the public realm. I thought, as far as making fun of Mormonism, it was good. It dealt with real practices, and made a correction to a false statement. I felt strangely proud to see my religion lightly joked about by someone whose comedy I respect.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting ideas. Satire can be a great tool for moral instruction, of course. I remember a recent Ensign article that asked us to imagine that the prophet came to a priesthood lesson and nobody let him talk. That seems to brushing the lightest corner of satire, or am I reaching?</p>
<p>I wonder what people made of the Colbert Report&#8217;s recent brushes with Mormonism? I realize that the show will be condemned for mocking that which is sacred in some circles, but I think we need to get used to garments and other practices being discussed in the public realm. I thought, as far as making fun of Mormonism, it was good. It dealt with real practices, and made a correction to a false statement. I felt strangely proud to see my religion lightly joked about by someone whose comedy I respect.</p>
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		<title>By: Seraphine</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2007/04/20/on-being-an-anonymous-satirist-or-at-least-trying/#comment-110922</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Seraphine]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Apr 2007 04:14:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I appreciate different kinds of satire, though like others here, I prefer cleverness to meanness (though they aren&#039;t always different).

I definitely think that in a community (i.e. like the bloggernacle), you have to temper your sarcasm.  You have to be careful about how you do it (i.e. understand how it might negatively affect the community), and you have to be willing to make fun of yourself as part of that community.

What I think makes people like Swift and Jon Stewart so successful in a different way is that although they have very strong/harsh satire, they are generally commenting on an abusive power structure that they would like to see changed.  While there&#039;s plenty of wrongheadedness and imperfection in the bloggernacle, we do not have the same kind of power/political structure that motivates the satire of people like Stewart.  I think harsh satire doesn&#039;t work in places like the bloggernacle if you are actually trying to be an accepted and active part of the community.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I appreciate different kinds of satire, though like others here, I prefer cleverness to meanness (though they aren&#8217;t always different).</p>
<p>I definitely think that in a community (i.e. like the bloggernacle), you have to temper your sarcasm.  You have to be careful about how you do it (i.e. understand how it might negatively affect the community), and you have to be willing to make fun of yourself as part of that community.</p>
<p>What I think makes people like Swift and Jon Stewart so successful in a different way is that although they have very strong/harsh satire, they are generally commenting on an abusive power structure that they would like to see changed.  While there&#8217;s plenty of wrongheadedness and imperfection in the bloggernacle, we do not have the same kind of power/political structure that motivates the satire of people like Stewart.  I think harsh satire doesn&#8217;t work in places like the bloggernacle if you are actually trying to be an accepted and active part of the community.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Russell</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2007/04/20/on-being-an-anonymous-satirist-or-at-least-trying/#comment-110921</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Eric Russell]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Apr 2007 02:45:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[JDC, good point. I suppose some could interpret Austen as mean. But I still say itâ€™s pretty difficult to judge an authorâ€™s heart and motivations.

I guess my question is, isn&#039;t it possible to satirize with a broken heart and a contrite spirit? I tend to think it is, but I canâ€™t put my finger on showing exactly how.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JDC, good point. I suppose some could interpret Austen as mean. But I still say itâ€™s pretty difficult to judge an authorâ€™s heart and motivations.</p>
<p>I guess my question is, isn&#8217;t it possible to satirize with a broken heart and a contrite spirit? I tend to think it is, but I canâ€™t put my finger on showing exactly how.</p>
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		<title>By: HP/JDC</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2007/04/20/on-being-an-anonymous-satirist-or-at-least-trying/#comment-110920</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[HP/JDC]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Apr 2007 01:03:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Picking on the Daily Universe features is really just shooting fish in a barrel.

AML,
Of course.  It is hard to judge how your friends are going to take a joke.  That&#039;s the advantage of anonymity.  That said, I was being somewhat facetious earlier.  There is no way to do comedy without offending some people.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Picking on the Daily Universe features is really just shooting fish in a barrel.</p>
<p>AML,<br />
Of course.  It is hard to judge how your friends are going to take a joke.  That&#8217;s the advantage of anonymity.  That said, I was being somewhat facetious earlier.  There is no way to do comedy without offending some people.</p>
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		<title>By: angrymormonliberal</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2007/04/20/on-being-an-anonymous-satirist-or-at-least-trying/#comment-110919</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[angrymormonliberal]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Apr 2007 23:55:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Although, as a devoted reader of the BYU police beat the comedy does not require much embellishing.

My favorite was when students were cited for writing on the sidewalk with chalk.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Although, as a devoted reader of the BYU police beat the comedy does not require much embellishing.</p>
<p>My favorite was when students were cited for writing on the sidewalk with chalk.</p>
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		<title>By: angrymormonliberal</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2007/04/20/on-being-an-anonymous-satirist-or-at-least-trying/#comment-110918</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[angrymormonliberal]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Apr 2007 23:46:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If your a satirist who is afraid of people taking it personally your going to run into a few problems. It&#039;s especially a problem if one whines about how &#039;they don&#039;t understand me&#039; they take you to task for saying something they find offensive. Be a satirist, but don&#039;t be surprised if someone comes after you on and below your level. If your asking them not to get insulted, don&#039;t get insulted when karma starts kicking your dogma.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If your a satirist who is afraid of people taking it personally your going to run into a few problems. It&#8217;s especially a problem if one whines about how &#8216;they don&#8217;t understand me&#8217; they take you to task for saying something they find offensive. Be a satirist, but don&#8217;t be surprised if someone comes after you on and below your level. If your asking them not to get insulted, don&#8217;t get insulted when karma starts kicking your dogma.</p>
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		<title>By: Rusty</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2007/04/20/on-being-an-anonymous-satirist-or-at-least-trying/#comment-110917</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rusty]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Apr 2007 22:13:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[JDC,
Interesting thoughts, especially because a recent post of mine was both satiric and therapudic. Probably not very successful at garnering laughs but very successful at making me feel better. I get your flow, man.

&lt;i&gt;When itâ€™s motivated by anger and frustration, it is, of course, wrong.&lt;/i&gt;

Eric, I think you&#039;re wrong here. Almost everything &lt;i&gt;The Daily Show&lt;/i&gt; does stems from anger and frustration and it is very, very right.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JDC,<br />
Interesting thoughts, especially because a recent post of mine was both satiric and therapudic. Probably not very successful at garnering laughs but very successful at making me feel better. I get your flow, man.</p>
<p><i>When itâ€™s motivated by anger and frustration, it is, of course, wrong.</i></p>
<p>Eric, I think you&#8217;re wrong here. Almost everything <i>The Daily Show</i> does stems from anger and frustration and it is very, very right.</p>
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