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		<title>By: J. Stapley</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2007/05/05/dancing-for-the-devil/#comment-101378</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[J. Stapley]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 May 2007 15:55:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Church Press release yesterday on the &quot;Mormon Prom&quot; made me think of this thread:

&lt;blockquote&gt;Saturday night marked a new sort of spring ritual for about 300 Chicago-area teenagers: a prom night free of hip-grinding dance moves, plunging necklines and racy song lyrics. It was billed as the region&#039;s first-ever Mormon prom, teens from Hebron to Sugar Grove gently swayed under a sparkling disco ball inside a gymnasium in Naperville.&lt;/blockquote&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Church Press release yesterday on the &#8220;Mormon Prom&#8221; made me think of this thread:</p>
<blockquote><p>Saturday night marked a new sort of spring ritual for about 300 Chicago-area teenagers: a prom night free of hip-grinding dance moves, plunging necklines and racy song lyrics. It was billed as the region&#8217;s first-ever Mormon prom, teens from Hebron to Sugar Grove gently swayed under a sparkling disco ball inside a gymnasium in Naperville.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Hellmut</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2007/05/05/dancing-for-the-devil/#comment-101401</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Hellmut]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2007 04:08:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Of course, dancing is about sex.  Square and round dances are both erotic.  In terms of stimuli, there is merely a trade off between vision and touch.

There is just no escape from sex.  Dancing is a fun way to deal with it.  Although it is not without danger.

One New Year&#039;s Ball in Frankfurt, my British partner and I took the opportunity to claim the almost empty dance floor right after midnight.  While most attendants watched the fireworks, we whirled a rapid Viennese waltz, which came to an abrupt end when my partner hit her head with another lady.  The other couple had danced counterclockwise, which is a big no no.

Putting a bizarre end to the party, I accompanied my partner to the hospital where she was diagnosed with a concussion.  Of course, I had to call her parents the next morning to tell them that the Huns had busted their daughter&#039;s head.  Fortunately, they were very gracious.

So if you have to dance round dances at all, make sure that the floor is too packed for anyone to move rapidly.  Besides, too much twirling will only simulate the buzz of drunkenness â€“â€“ supposedly, not that I would know about alcohol.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course, dancing is about sex.  Square and round dances are both erotic.  In terms of stimuli, there is merely a trade off between vision and touch.</p>
<p>There is just no escape from sex.  Dancing is a fun way to deal with it.  Although it is not without danger.</p>
<p>One New Year&#8217;s Ball in Frankfurt, my British partner and I took the opportunity to claim the almost empty dance floor right after midnight.  While most attendants watched the fireworks, we whirled a rapid Viennese waltz, which came to an abrupt end when my partner hit her head with another lady.  The other couple had danced counterclockwise, which is a big no no.</p>
<p>Putting a bizarre end to the party, I accompanied my partner to the hospital where she was diagnosed with a concussion.  Of course, I had to call her parents the next morning to tell them that the Huns had busted their daughter&#8217;s head.  Fortunately, they were very gracious.</p>
<p>So if you have to dance round dances at all, make sure that the floor is too packed for anyone to move rapidly.  Besides, too much twirling will only simulate the buzz of drunkenness â€“â€“ supposedly, not that I would know about alcohol.</p>
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		<title>By: Anthony</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2007/05/05/dancing-for-the-devil/#comment-101400</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anthony]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 May 2007 04:36:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ardis

I am working on a book about american vernacular religion]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ardis</p>
<p>I am working on a book about american vernacular religion</p>
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		<title>By: StillConfused</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2007/05/05/dancing-for-the-devil/#comment-101399</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[StillConfused]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 May 2007 02:22:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Interesting topic.  I went to my first LDS dance as a divorced woman.  I will have to admit it wasn&#039;t nearly as bad as I was expecting.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting topic.  I went to my first LDS dance as a divorced woman.  I will have to admit it wasn&#8217;t nearly as bad as I was expecting.</p>
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		<title>By: J.M.</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2007/05/05/dancing-for-the-devil/#comment-101398</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[J.M.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 May 2007 18:32:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I believe the documentary emphasized Mormon dance because of a desire by the makers to place Mormonism in the context of the evangelical movements of the early nineteenth century, Burned-Over District and elsewhere. Among those new or reinterpreted, American, Protestant faiths, dancing was one of many attempts to reconnect the material life with the spiritual life in an industrial and mechanical age, when that connection appeared to be failing - to bring a spiritual and ritualized element back into a rapidly changing, physical world of excitement and anxiousness.

Worth noting that this strategy of placing Mormonism in historical and contemporary contexts was prevalent throughout the documentary. Too many commentators have insisted on praising or criticizing discrete sections of the documentary without looking at the larger pictures it creates.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe the documentary emphasized Mormon dance because of a desire by the makers to place Mormonism in the context of the evangelical movements of the early nineteenth century, Burned-Over District and elsewhere. Among those new or reinterpreted, American, Protestant faiths, dancing was one of many attempts to reconnect the material life with the spiritual life in an industrial and mechanical age, when that connection appeared to be failing &#8211; to bring a spiritual and ritualized element back into a rapidly changing, physical world of excitement and anxiousness.</p>
<p>Worth noting that this strategy of placing Mormonism in historical and contemporary contexts was prevalent throughout the documentary. Too many commentators have insisted on praising or criticizing discrete sections of the documentary without looking at the larger pictures it creates.</p>
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		<title>By: Ardis Parshall</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ardis Parshall]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 May 2007 09:59:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What is your project, Anthony?

I should clarify, for people who don&#039;t know me, that my offer was aimed at scholars who might land here by googling Mormonism and dance because of Terryl Givens&#039; comments on PBS&#039;s &quot;The Mormons,&quot; or students working on a well defined project. Putting together a package of the resources I&#039;m offering will be expensive for me in terms of my professional time, and my offer was intended as a courtesy to serious researchers, rather than to satisfy idle curiosity. If such a researcher sees this note after the thread has gone stale, the BCC board will probably be willing to pass my email address to you.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What is your project, Anthony?</p>
<p>I should clarify, for people who don&#8217;t know me, that my offer was aimed at scholars who might land here by googling Mormonism and dance because of Terryl Givens&#8217; comments on PBS&#8217;s &#8220;The Mormons,&#8221; or students working on a well defined project. Putting together a package of the resources I&#8217;m offering will be expensive for me in terms of my professional time, and my offer was intended as a courtesy to serious researchers, rather than to satisfy idle curiosity. If such a researcher sees this note after the thread has gone stale, the BCC board will probably be willing to pass my email address to you.</p>
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		<title>By: Anthony</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2007/05/05/dancing-for-the-devil/#comment-101396</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anthony]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 May 2007 09:32:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[ardis, i would like the sources]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ardis, i would like the sources</p>
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		<title>By: Geoff J</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2007/05/05/dancing-for-the-devil/#comment-101395</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Geoff J]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 May 2007 05:56:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As Kuri noted, moshing was the 90s safer version of slam dancing.  We used to call moshing the &quot;sardine hop&quot; because the bodies were jammed in tight like sardines.  The upside of that was that it was not nearly as dangerous as the slam pits that used to form in the 80s where I had buddies knocked unconscious (at stake dances no less) for getting too much speed crashing into other slam dancers in the pit we formed.  The other benefit of moshing was that it allowed for stage dives and crowd surfing at live shows  which was always a good time.

Now skanking was a much more tame animal initially.  It was the style of dance that got broken out for ska tunes (English Beat, the Specials, Madness, etc).  In fact the logo for 2-Tone Records was a mod dude skanking I believe (something &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.stubbornrecords.com/shop/image.php?productid=24003&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;like this&lt;/a&gt;).  But it seems that slamming (the punk version) and skanking (the ska version) have since morphed, much in the way that ska and punk have largely morphed over the years.

Anyhow, as you can imagine, slamming was always broken up by chaperones rather quickly at stake dances.  But regular skanking was usually left alone.  (Possibly because not enough ska got played even in SoCal to generate much skanking).

Kristen and I chaperoned a youth dance a few years ago and I was tasked to break up a break dancing ring that had formed.  Another example of the circle of life I guess...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As Kuri noted, moshing was the 90s safer version of slam dancing.  We used to call moshing the &#8220;sardine hop&#8221; because the bodies were jammed in tight like sardines.  The upside of that was that it was not nearly as dangerous as the slam pits that used to form in the 80s where I had buddies knocked unconscious (at stake dances no less) for getting too much speed crashing into other slam dancers in the pit we formed.  The other benefit of moshing was that it allowed for stage dives and crowd surfing at live shows  which was always a good time.</p>
<p>Now skanking was a much more tame animal initially.  It was the style of dance that got broken out for ska tunes (English Beat, the Specials, Madness, etc).  In fact the logo for 2-Tone Records was a mod dude skanking I believe (something <a href="http://www.stubbornrecords.com/shop/image.php?productid=24003" rel="nofollow">like this</a>).  But it seems that slamming (the punk version) and skanking (the ska version) have since morphed, much in the way that ska and punk have largely morphed over the years.</p>
<p>Anyhow, as you can imagine, slamming was always broken up by chaperones rather quickly at stake dances.  But regular skanking was usually left alone.  (Possibly because not enough ska got played even in SoCal to generate much skanking).</p>
<p>Kristen and I chaperoned a youth dance a few years ago and I was tasked to break up a break dancing ring that had formed.  Another example of the circle of life I guess&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 May 2007 05:35:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hah...forget moshing or skanking or whatever... just go to any BYU dance class and they&#039;ll smash couples up against each other with aplomb. Try the &quot;Latin&quot; variations where the woman&#039;s primary role is to undress, paint herself, and then writhe/wrap herself around her partner in as many creatively rhythmic ways as possible. In the interest of full disclosure, I don&#039;t have the slightest shade of care about dancing Mormons (or dancing anything, really, except avionics--when those dance something is probably wrong). But I was greatly amused that &quot;dancing too close&quot; or suggestively was verboten until poor deprived Mormon youth made their way onto a BYU dance floor.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hah&#8230;forget moshing or skanking or whatever&#8230; just go to any BYU dance class and they&#8217;ll smash couples up against each other with aplomb. Try the &#8220;Latin&#8221; variations where the woman&#8217;s primary role is to undress, paint herself, and then writhe/wrap herself around her partner in as many creatively rhythmic ways as possible. In the interest of full disclosure, I don&#8217;t have the slightest shade of care about dancing Mormons (or dancing anything, really, except avionics&#8211;when those dance something is probably wrong). But I was greatly amused that &#8220;dancing too close&#8221; or suggestively was verboten until poor deprived Mormon youth made their way onto a BYU dance floor.</p>
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		<title>By: kuri</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2007/05/05/dancing-for-the-devil/#comment-101393</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[kuri]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 May 2007 04:28:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Susan,
It&#039;s an interesting evolution from slam dancing to moshing.  Back in the day, anyone flailing around that wildly would probably have earned himself a group knock-down-and-kicking.

JNS,
Maybe it was my lack of inhibition that seemed dangerous somehow?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Susan,<br />
It&#8217;s an interesting evolution from slam dancing to moshing.  Back in the day, anyone flailing around that wildly would probably have earned himself a group knock-down-and-kicking.</p>
<p>JNS,<br />
Maybe it was my lack of inhibition that seemed dangerous somehow?</p>
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