KUED Post-Mortem on the PBS Doc

I just finished watching a one-hour review of the documentary, hosted by Doug Fabrizio. I highly recommend it.

Comments

  1. Extremely interesting, especially the interview with Terryl Givens and Ken Verdoia. Thanks for the link Kenvin.

  2. David Brosnahan says:

    What Helen Whitney failed to realize, despite all her research, is that what makes the LDS Church different is that it teaches its members to question everything. The LDS church does not teach blind, unquestioning, obedience. That’s where the sayings come from like “Don’t live on borrowed light” etc. There is no church that teaches its church to question more that the LDS church.

    But additionally, what the LDS church teaches is not only to question but also how to get answers. We get those answers through prayer and the Holy Ghost. God promises anwers about Christ, about the Book of Mormon, and Joseph Smith and these answers are the source of our unshakable faith, hope, and certainty.

    Now, there comes along questions that we don’t get an answer to immediately. But, the lack of an answer every now and again, does not create doubt or destroy the answers we have already received. We just continue on with faith in what we already know to be true, trusting that the other answers will come. And eventually they do. “Ask and ye shall receive, knock and it shall be opened unto you.”

    Whitney has clearly indicated that she thinks “doubt” is necessary to be considered an “honest intellectual.” Well, the LDS church is not about creating intellectuals. They are about about creating “honest christian scientists.” LDS members value faith, questioning, experimenting, and getting answers (the scientific method) while intellectuals seem to focus on questions, lack of answers and doubt.

  3. Christopher Smith says:

    >> what makes the LDS Church different is that it teaches its members to question everything…But additionally, what the LDS church teaches is not only to question but also how to get answers. We get those answers through prayer and the Holy Ghost.

    Is questioning that requires no critical engagement really questioning? Given Joseph Smith’s advice to “work it out in your mind” prior to receiving revelation on a subject, you might think that the LDS church would encourage people to read literature that’s critical of the Church and to think as well as to pray. I don’t see that happening; in fact, members are advised to avoid anti-Mormon literature like the plague.

  4. David Brosnahan says:

    The spirit testifies of truth. Therefore, what good is it to read lies.

  5. chantywa says:

    >> But additionally, what the LDS church teaches is not only to question but also how to get answers.

    The Church also defines what those answers should be; for me, that is troubling as well as stifling. And, thankfully, the spirit does testify of the truth.

  6. The spirit testifies of truth. Therefore, what good is it to read lies.

    How do you know what is truth and what is lies until you read it?

  7. David Brosnahan says:

    I dont need to read a porn mag to know what it is.

  8. David Brosnahan says:

    I spent some time on CARM.org. I thought it would be useful for me to get on their discussion boards and listen to their arguments, and defend my faith. Well, all I can say from personal experience is that I didnt feel the spirit in it. Those there on that site denied inspiration by the power of the Spirit. Therefore, no argument, no truth would make any difference to them. And, I found that instead of building them, I was just being slowing torn down. There is such little time. Why waste it in what uninspired people have to say. The doctrine and covenants teaches to “seek ye out of the best books words of wisdom” Remembet it is the spirit that teaches, WE are really do have the gift of the ministering of angels and we will be taught if we turn to the sciptures and the “best books” line upon line precept upon precept until our knowledge is perfect.

  9. Steve Evans says:

    “The spirit testifies of truth. Therefore, what good is it to read lies.”

    What good is it to read anything at all, David! I’m sure that the illiterate Lamanites were saved — perhaps we should abandon written language altogther.

  10. I dont need to read a porn mag to know what it is.

    That’s a cop out David. There are precious few pieces of writing that define themselves at a glance the way a porn mag does (for one thing, they don’t have as many photographs!).

    WE are really do have the gift of the ministering of angels and we will be taught if we turn to the sciptures and the “best books” line upon line precept upon precept until our knowledge is perfect.

    Again, I hate to keep bringing this up, but there is a continuing problem in defining such terms as “best books” vs. “lies.” You act like we all know what these are without reading them, but someone has to read them to determine which category each piece of writing fits into. If you’re not going to do it, you’re just taking someone else’s opinion about it.

  11. Heads up, Evans; this is going to be snarky.

    Sometimes I think it would be fun to come up with a Mormon Testimony-o-matic. Fill it will phrases like

    out of the best books
    line upon line
    The Spirit will witness the truthfulness of…
    In a conference talk in 1997, Neal A Maxwell said…
    obedience is the first law of heaven

    Of course, it would have to be structured just right. Maybe one of the blogging lawyers could do this when they’re supposed to be working, instead of blogging when they’re supposed to be working. Add a link to any of the big blogs’ sidebars. Then, whenever a newbie shows up to bear testimony to us because we’re all such a bunch of fringe-y intelekchels, who need to hear The Truth, they won’t have to actually WRITE anything. They can just hit the Testimony-o-matic button utton and out will spit something exactly like comment #8.

    Maybe, like Uncle Abner says, we are in serious need of being preached to here, even though we are not really interested in listening. But even if that’s the case, Br. Brosnahan, By Common Consent is not the proper venue for a sermon. We talk TO each other here, not DOWN to each other.

    Well, except for me. But I’m in Fowler’s stage five, and highly evolved spiritually, so I can get away with it.

  12. David Brosnahan says:

    MCQ
    Hey, well do whatever the Spirit inspires you to do.

  13. Check out this comment over on DMI. Seems to me I’ve seen that somewhere before…

  14. Steve Evans says:

    I heart you, Ann — good one.

  15. Ardis Parshall says:

    I’m sorry your thread was so quickly derailed, Kevin. I didn’t think about this program the other evening until just before it ended, and its rebroadcast this morning comes right in the middle of my church block. If you happen to hear that it will be rebroadcast yet again, please update your post.

    Despite the occasional factual error, and despite cringing at a few of the interviews, I thought the program was fantastic, and that we can hardly hope to have a better portrayal by a national producer anytime soon. I’d like to hear again from some of the best speakers interviewed to hear what they think of it now that they’ve seen the production.

    And hey, the Spirit inspires me to write this.

  16. Kevin Barney says:

    Ardis, you can watch it anytime on your computer. That’s how I watched it. Go to the link I give and just click on the program.

  17. And back to the subject at hand, the after action review on KUED was very interesting – DH and I watched it from the comfort of our side-by-side office chairs in sunny Southeast Louisiana yesterday. The part that interested me the most was Verdoia’s info about the letters – 2/3 negative, 1/3 positive. Half the negative letters were angry that the church was portrayed so negatively, and half were angry that the church was portrayed so positively.

  18. I was interested in this review, partly because I never knew what UtahNOW was before. Here in Utah therewas a creen crawl during the documentary that said something about how UtahNOW would be doing a response later in the week. Some viewers mistakenly believed that this was the Utah chapter of the National Organization for Women.

    Anyway, I really liked hearing further from those who were interviewed for the doc, especially Terryl Givens and Marlin Jensen. One thing that I found surprising was the response to the comment that the doc presented interviews with intellectuals and writers who had been exed, but none that were faithful believers. Of course, as was pointed out, this is not true: Terryl Givens and Richard Bushman were interviewed as well. But it is astonishing that it was not until this program that we get to hear Givens say that he felt no pressure at all from the church to write any particular way in his published writings on church subjects. It wouldhave been nice to hear from him and Bushman on this point in the doc.

    Marlin Jensen, whom I had no prior knowledge of, continued to be fascinating and wonderful. This program was a great follow-up to the documentary. I hope a lot of people get to see it.

  19. DavidH says:

    Our testimony meeting starts in another hour. But the reactions expressed in bishopric and PEC were measured and positive. Our bishop (who had never heard of MMM before the program, though he was raised in the Church) especially liked the second day, and Sister Stevenson’s story. He and others were surprised to learn there was an extremely negative and vocal reaction among some members of the Church and on the internet. I will, quote, but not identify, one politically and religiously conservative member who was at our meeting (obviously, it wasn’t me): “Some times people think they are doing the Church a favor by loudly defending the Church at any hint of criticism, but I think they give us a black eye and make us look like fanatics.” I could not agree more.

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