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	<title>Comments on: KUED Post-Mortem on the PBS Doc</title>
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		<title>By: DavidH</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2007/05/05/kued-post-mortem-on-the-pbs-doc/#comment-20404</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 06 May 2007 20:16:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Our testimony meeting starts in another hour.  But the reactions expressed in bishopric and PEC were measured and positive.  Our bishop (who had never heard of MMM before the program, though he was raised in the Church) especially liked the second day, and Sister Stevenson&#039;s story.  He and others were surprised to learn there was an extremely negative and vocal reaction among some members of the Church and on the internet.  I will, quote, but not identify, one politically and religiously conservative member who was at our meeting (obviously, it wasn&#039;t me): &quot;Some times people think they are doing the Church a favor by loudly defending the Church at any hint of criticism, but I think they give us a black eye and make us look like fanatics.&quot;  I could not agree more.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Our testimony meeting starts in another hour.  But the reactions expressed in bishopric and PEC were measured and positive.  Our bishop (who had never heard of MMM before the program, though he was raised in the Church) especially liked the second day, and Sister Stevenson&#8217;s story.  He and others were surprised to learn there was an extremely negative and vocal reaction among some members of the Church and on the internet.  I will, quote, but not identify, one politically and religiously conservative member who was at our meeting (obviously, it wasn&#8217;t me): &#8220;Some times people think they are doing the Church a favor by loudly defending the Church at any hint of criticism, but I think they give us a black eye and make us look like fanatics.&#8221;  I could not agree more.</p>
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		<title>By: MCQ</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2007/05/05/kued-post-mortem-on-the-pbs-doc/#comment-20403</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 06 May 2007 19:59:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I was interested in this review, partly because I never knew what UtahNOW was before.  Here in Utah therewas a creen crawl during the documentary that said something about how UtahNOW would be doing a response later in the week.  Some viewers mistakenly believed that this was the Utah chapter of the National Organization for Women.

Anyway, I really liked hearing further from those who were interviewed for the doc, especially Terryl Givens and Marlin Jensen.  One thing that I found surprising was the response to the comment that the doc presented interviews with intellectuals and writers who had been exed, but none that were faithful believers.  Of course, as was pointed out, this is not true: Terryl Givens and Richard Bushman were interviewed as well.  But it is astonishing that it was not until this program that we get to hear Givens say that he felt no pressure at all from the church to write any particular way in his published writings on church subjects.  It wouldhave been nice to hear from him and Bushman on this point in the doc.

Marlin Jensen, whom I had no prior knowledge of,  continued to be fascinating and wonderful.  This program was a great follow-up to the documentary.  I hope a lot of people get to see it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was interested in this review, partly because I never knew what UtahNOW was before.  Here in Utah therewas a creen crawl during the documentary that said something about how UtahNOW would be doing a response later in the week.  Some viewers mistakenly believed that this was the Utah chapter of the National Organization for Women.</p>
<p>Anyway, I really liked hearing further from those who were interviewed for the doc, especially Terryl Givens and Marlin Jensen.  One thing that I found surprising was the response to the comment that the doc presented interviews with intellectuals and writers who had been exed, but none that were faithful believers.  Of course, as was pointed out, this is not true: Terryl Givens and Richard Bushman were interviewed as well.  But it is astonishing that it was not until this program that we get to hear Givens say that he felt no pressure at all from the church to write any particular way in his published writings on church subjects.  It wouldhave been nice to hear from him and Bushman on this point in the doc.</p>
<p>Marlin Jensen, whom I had no prior knowledge of,  continued to be fascinating and wonderful.  This program was a great follow-up to the documentary.  I hope a lot of people get to see it.</p>
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		<title>By: Ann</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2007/05/05/kued-post-mortem-on-the-pbs-doc/#comment-20402</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ann]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 May 2007 18:49:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[And back to the subject at hand, the after action review on KUED was very interesting - DH and I watched it from the comfort of our side-by-side office chairs in sunny Southeast Louisiana yesterday.  The part that interested me the most was Verdoia&#039;s info about the letters - 2/3 negative, 1/3 positive.  Half the negative letters were angry that the church was portrayed so negatively, and half were angry that the church was portrayed so positively.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And back to the subject at hand, the after action review on KUED was very interesting &#8211; DH and I watched it from the comfort of our side-by-side office chairs in sunny Southeast Louisiana yesterday.  The part that interested me the most was Verdoia&#8217;s info about the letters &#8211; 2/3 negative, 1/3 positive.  Half the negative letters were angry that the church was portrayed so negatively, and half were angry that the church was portrayed so positively.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Barney</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2007/05/05/kued-post-mortem-on-the-pbs-doc/#comment-20401</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kevin Barney]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 May 2007 18:34:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ardis, you can watch it anytime on your computer.  That&#039;s how I watched it.  Go to the link I give and just click on the program.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ardis, you can watch it anytime on your computer.  That&#8217;s how I watched it.  Go to the link I give and just click on the program.</p>
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		<title>By: Ardis Parshall</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2007/05/05/kued-post-mortem-on-the-pbs-doc/#comment-20400</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ardis Parshall]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 May 2007 15:13:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m sorry your thread was so quickly derailed, Kevin. I didn&#039;t think about this program the other evening until just before it ended, and its rebroadcast this morning comes right in the middle of my church block. If you happen to hear that it will be rebroadcast yet again, please update your post.

Despite the occasional factual error, and despite cringing at a few of the interviews, I thought the program was fantastic, and that we can hardly hope to have a better portrayal by a national producer anytime soon. I&#039;d like to hear again from some of the best speakers interviewed to hear what they think of it now that they&#039;ve seen the production.

And hey, the Spirit inspires me to write this.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sorry your thread was so quickly derailed, Kevin. I didn&#8217;t think about this program the other evening until just before it ended, and its rebroadcast this morning comes right in the middle of my church block. If you happen to hear that it will be rebroadcast yet again, please update your post.</p>
<p>Despite the occasional factual error, and despite cringing at a few of the interviews, I thought the program was fantastic, and that we can hardly hope to have a better portrayal by a national producer anytime soon. I&#8217;d like to hear again from some of the best speakers interviewed to hear what they think of it now that they&#8217;ve seen the production.</p>
<p>And hey, the Spirit inspires me to write this.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Evans</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Steve Evans]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 May 2007 05:29:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I heart you, Ann -- good one.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I heart you, Ann &#8212; good one.</p>
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		<title>By: Ann</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2007/05/05/kued-post-mortem-on-the-pbs-doc/#comment-20398</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ann]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 May 2007 04:10:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Check out &lt;a href=&quot;http://mormoninquiry.typepad.com/mormon_inquiry/2007/05/helen_whitney_r.html#c68594686&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this comment&lt;/a&gt; over on DMI.  Seems to me I&#039;ve seen that somewhere before...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Check out <a href="http://mormoninquiry.typepad.com/mormon_inquiry/2007/05/helen_whitney_r.html#c68594686" rel="nofollow">this comment</a> over on DMI.  Seems to me I&#8217;ve seen that somewhere before&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: David Brosnahan</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2007/05/05/kued-post-mortem-on-the-pbs-doc/#comment-20397</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David Brosnahan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 May 2007 03:50:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[MCQ
Hey, well do whatever the Spirit inspires you to do.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MCQ<br />
Hey, well do whatever the Spirit inspires you to do.</p>
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		<title>By: Ann</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2007/05/05/kued-post-mortem-on-the-pbs-doc/#comment-20396</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ann]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 May 2007 03:36:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Heads up, Evans; this is going to be snarky.

Sometimes I think it would be fun to come up with a Mormon Testimony-o-matic.  Fill it will phrases like

out of the best books
line upon line
The Spirit will witness the truthfulness of...
In a conference talk in 1997, Neal A Maxwell said...
obedience is the first law of heaven

Of course, it would have to be structured just right.  Maybe one of the blogging lawyers could do this when they&#039;re supposed to be working, instead of blogging when they&#039;re supposed to be working.  Add a link to any of the big blogs&#039; sidebars.  Then, whenever a newbie shows up to bear testimony to us because we&#039;re all such a bunch of fringe-y intelekchels, who need to hear The Truth, they won&#039;t have to actually WRITE anything.  They can just hit the Testimony-o-matic button utton and out will spit something exactly like comment #8.

Maybe, like &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.firstthings.com/onthesquare/?p=718&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Uncle Abner&lt;/a&gt; says, we are in serious need of being preached to here, even though we are not really interested in listening.  But even if that&#039;s the case, Br. Brosnahan, By Common Consent is not the proper venue for a sermon.  We talk TO each other here, not DOWN to each other.

Well, except for me.  But I&#039;m in Fowler&#039;s stage five, and highly evolved spiritually, so I can get away with it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heads up, Evans; this is going to be snarky.</p>
<p>Sometimes I think it would be fun to come up with a Mormon Testimony-o-matic.  Fill it will phrases like</p>
<p>out of the best books<br />
line upon line<br />
The Spirit will witness the truthfulness of&#8230;<br />
In a conference talk in 1997, Neal A Maxwell said&#8230;<br />
obedience is the first law of heaven</p>
<p>Of course, it would have to be structured just right.  Maybe one of the blogging lawyers could do this when they&#8217;re supposed to be working, instead of blogging when they&#8217;re supposed to be working.  Add a link to any of the big blogs&#8217; sidebars.  Then, whenever a newbie shows up to bear testimony to us because we&#8217;re all such a bunch of fringe-y intelekchels, who need to hear The Truth, they won&#8217;t have to actually WRITE anything.  They can just hit the Testimony-o-matic button utton and out will spit something exactly like comment #8.</p>
<p>Maybe, like <a href="http://www.firstthings.com/onthesquare/?p=718" rel="nofollow">Uncle Abner</a> says, we are in serious need of being preached to here, even though we are not really interested in listening.  But even if that&#8217;s the case, Br. Brosnahan, By Common Consent is not the proper venue for a sermon.  We talk TO each other here, not DOWN to each other.</p>
<p>Well, except for me.  But I&#8217;m in Fowler&#8217;s stage five, and highly evolved spiritually, so I can get away with it.</p>
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		<title>By: MCQ</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2007/05/05/kued-post-mortem-on-the-pbs-doc/#comment-20395</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[MCQ]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 May 2007 03:28:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;I dont need to read a porn mag to know what it is.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

That&#039;s a cop out David.  There are precious few pieces of writing that define themselves at a glance the way a porn mag does (for one thing, they don&#039;t have as many photographs!).

&lt;blockquote&gt;WE are really do have the gift of the ministering of angels and we will be taught if we turn to the sciptures and the â€œbest booksâ€ line upon line precept upon precept until our knowledge is perfect.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Again, I hate to keep bringing this up, but there is a continuing problem in defining such terms as &quot;best books&quot; vs. &quot;lies.&quot;  You act like we all know what these are without reading them, but someone has to read them to determine which category each piece of writing fits into.  If you&#039;re not going to do it, you&#039;re just taking someone else&#039;s opinion about it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I dont need to read a porn mag to know what it is.</p></blockquote>
<p>That&#8217;s a cop out David.  There are precious few pieces of writing that define themselves at a glance the way a porn mag does (for one thing, they don&#8217;t have as many photographs!).</p>
<blockquote><p>WE are really do have the gift of the ministering of angels and we will be taught if we turn to the sciptures and the â€œbest booksâ€ line upon line precept upon precept until our knowledge is perfect.</p></blockquote>
<p>Again, I hate to keep bringing this up, but there is a continuing problem in defining such terms as &#8220;best books&#8221; vs. &#8220;lies.&#8221;  You act like we all know what these are without reading them, but someone has to read them to determine which category each piece of writing fits into.  If you&#8217;re not going to do it, you&#8217;re just taking someone else&#8217;s opinion about it.</p>
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