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		<title>By: Amanda</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2007/05/14/caffeine-content/#comment-54283</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Amanda]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 May 2007 19:44:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[J. Stapley,

Thank you for pointing out those references.  I now understand why an entire article was needed to answer my simple questions.  Alexander did state what I&#039;ve long suspected.

&quot;There is, however, no known contemporary evidence of which I am aware that a separate new revelation changed the Word of Wisdom from a &quot;principle with promise&quot; to &quot;a commandment&quot; necessary for full participation in all the blessing of church membership.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>J. Stapley,</p>
<p>Thank you for pointing out those references.  I now understand why an entire article was needed to answer my simple questions.  Alexander did state what I&#8217;ve long suspected.</p>
<p>&#8220;There is, however, no known contemporary evidence of which I am aware that a separate new revelation changed the Word of Wisdom from a &#8220;principle with promise&#8221; to &#8220;a commandment&#8221; necessary for full participation in all the blessing of church membership.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Ujlapana</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2007/05/14/caffeine-content/#comment-54334</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ujlapana]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 May 2007 18:42:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[David, you&#039;ll have to expand on that.  The floating comma only affected the first vegetarian restriction in 89, not the MORE restrictive second reference. Without the correctly placed comma (and it is obviously correct, now that it is canonized), 89 becomes internally inconsistent.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David, you&#8217;ll have to expand on that.  The floating comma only affected the first vegetarian restriction in 89, not the MORE restrictive second reference. Without the correctly placed comma (and it is obviously correct, now that it is canonized), 89 becomes internally inconsistent.</p>
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		<title>By: David J</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2007/05/14/caffeine-content/#comment-54363</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David J]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 May 2007 03:49:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ujlapanana, you&#039;re dealing with the &quot;floating comma&quot; issue between the 1921 and 1980 versions with that one.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ujlapanana, you&#8217;re dealing with the &#8220;floating comma&#8221; issue between the 1921 and 1980 versions with that one.</p>
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		<title>By: Ujlapana</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2007/05/14/caffeine-content/#comment-54364</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ujlapana]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 May 2007 03:31:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[On D&amp;C 49:18, keep in mind that whatever justification one provides for reversing the &lt;strong&gt;clear meaning&lt;/strong&gt; of this scripture (especially in the context of the v. 19-21) must be applied to D&amp;C 49:15.  The 1981 edition hides this parellel with pagination, but grammatically &quot;whoso forbiddeth to marry&quot; = &quot;whoso forbiddeth to abstain from meats.&quot;  The footnote for 49:18 suggests that &quot;forbiddeth&quot; = &quot;biddeth.&quot;  Where&#039;s the matching footnote on v. 15?  Whoops.  In other words, Shakers should be getting married, but if they don&#039;t want to eat meat, leave well enough alone.

Gen. 9:1-4 demonstrates that Noah was the first human to move from vegetarianism (Gen. 1:29), but Noah also drank wine, etc.  The WoW is the law for today and it is clear in it&#039;s prohibition of unnecessary meat eating (D&amp;C 89:14-15)  There&#039;s not even an exeption for winter or cold here, so the refrigeration explanation is insufficient.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On D&amp;C 49:18, keep in mind that whatever justification one provides for reversing the <strong>clear meaning</strong> of this scripture (especially in the context of the v. 19-21) must be applied to D&amp;C 49:15.  The 1981 edition hides this parellel with pagination, but grammatically &#8220;whoso forbiddeth to marry&#8221; = &#8220;whoso forbiddeth to abstain from meats.&#8221;  The footnote for 49:18 suggests that &#8220;forbiddeth&#8221; = &#8220;biddeth.&#8221;  Where&#8217;s the matching footnote on v. 15?  Whoops.  In other words, Shakers should be getting married, but if they don&#8217;t want to eat meat, leave well enough alone.</p>
<p>Gen. 9:1-4 demonstrates that Noah was the first human to move from vegetarianism (Gen. 1:29), but Noah also drank wine, etc.  The WoW is the law for today and it is clear in it&#8217;s prohibition of unnecessary meat eating (D&amp;C 89:14-15)  There&#8217;s not even an exeption for winter or cold here, so the refrigeration explanation is insufficient.</p>
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		<title>By: SilverRain</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2007/05/14/caffeine-content/#comment-54370</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[SilverRain]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 May 2007 16:16:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think Barq&#039;s (like orange Fanta) is sometimes caffeinated and sometimes not.  Usually, Barq&#039;s is not in Utah.  Usually, it is outside of Utah.  Fanta seems to be a time thing, for years they&#039;ll include it, then take it out, then put it back in.  I&#039;ve watched it carefully because caffeine makes me ill.

As a great anecdote:  A Full Throttle-drinking coworker of mine recently had to take off work because of kidney stones.  He&#039;d drink a minimum of three per day.  Coincidence?  I think not!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Barq&#8217;s (like orange Fanta) is sometimes caffeinated and sometimes not.  Usually, Barq&#8217;s is not in Utah.  Usually, it is outside of Utah.  Fanta seems to be a time thing, for years they&#8217;ll include it, then take it out, then put it back in.  I&#8217;ve watched it carefully because caffeine makes me ill.</p>
<p>As a great anecdote:  A Full Throttle-drinking coworker of mine recently had to take off work because of kidney stones.  He&#8217;d drink a minimum of three per day.  Coincidence?  I think not!</p>
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		<title>By: Chad Too</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Chad Too]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 May 2007 15:56:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Clark @ 84:

I don&#039;t know about where you are, but here in NC Coke Zero is made with aspartame.  Lovin&#039; it.  I&#039;m not a big Splenda fan either.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clark @ 84:</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know about where you are, but here in NC Coke Zero is made with aspartame.  Lovin&#8217; it.  I&#8217;m not a big Splenda fan either.</p>
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		<title>By: J. Stapley</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[J. Stapley]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 May 2007 04:03:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Amanda, see the the references in comments 59 and 60.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amanda, see the the references in comments 59 and 60.</p>
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		<title>By: Amanda</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Amanda]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 May 2007 03:43:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[When did the Word of Wisdom make the transition from being &quot;not by commandment&quot; to being a test of fellowship?  Does anyone know the history behind this?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When did the Word of Wisdom make the transition from being &#8220;not by commandment&#8221; to being a test of fellowship?  Does anyone know the history behind this?</p>
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		<title>By: FHL</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2007/05/14/caffeine-content/#comment-54366</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[FHL]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 May 2007 01:57:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So, Green Tea is ok, then? =)

(Ronan: I&#039;ve really enjoyed reading your reasoned comments and wonderings.)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, Green Tea is ok, then? =)</p>
<p>(Ronan: I&#8217;ve really enjoyed reading your reasoned comments and wonderings.)</p>
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		<title>By: Ray</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ray]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 May 2007 09:47:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Having said what I did in my previous comment:   :-)

110, Ronan, I think a better translation of the obvious intent of D&amp;C 49:18 would be something like: &quot;Whoso forbiddeth (with the effect) to (make people) abstain from meats...&quot;  There are lots of examples in the Bible and Book of Mormon where things get shortened and condensed when put in writing and potential meanings multiply.  The wording probably was chosen to echo the statement in v.15 condemning prohibitions on marriage.  However, given the wording of D&amp;C 89, it would be consistent to apply the literal meaning you highlighted - namely, &quot;Don&#039;t forbid someone from being a vegetarian if they choose to abstain from meat altogether, especially, with modern heating and refrigeration systems, if they do not experience what then would have constituted cold or famine.&quot;

Interesting and ironic possibilities.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Having said what I did in my previous comment:   :-)</p>
<p>110, Ronan, I think a better translation of the obvious intent of D&amp;C 49:18 would be something like: &#8220;Whoso forbiddeth (with the effect) to (make people) abstain from meats&#8230;&#8221;  There are lots of examples in the Bible and Book of Mormon where things get shortened and condensed when put in writing and potential meanings multiply.  The wording probably was chosen to echo the statement in v.15 condemning prohibitions on marriage.  However, given the wording of D&amp;C 89, it would be consistent to apply the literal meaning you highlighted &#8211; namely, &#8220;Don&#8217;t forbid someone from being a vegetarian if they choose to abstain from meat altogether, especially, with modern heating and refrigeration systems, if they do not experience what then would have constituted cold or famine.&#8221;</p>
<p>Interesting and ironic possibilities.</p>
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