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	<title>Comments on: The Relief Society Literacy Project</title>
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		<title>By: claire</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2007/05/17/the-relief-society-literacy-project/#comment-79956</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[claire]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 May 2007 14:21:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for the clarification, Ray.  This is food for thought, as there is probably a need for this program, or referrals to another program, in our Ward.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the clarification, Ray.  This is food for thought, as there is probably a need for this program, or referrals to another program, in our Ward.</p>
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		<title>By: Ray</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2007/05/17/the-relief-society-literacy-project/#comment-79955</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ray]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 May 2007 23:12:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[No.  Sorry, Claire.  I was mixing how it is done and what I would suggest as the ideal.  You know what the pregnant woman said to her husband: &quot;I know what I was thinking; why don&#039;t you?&quot;

Our stake approaches people, but there is no pressure to attend if the person doesn&#039;t respond with enthusiasm - or at least determination.  It then becomes an open invitation for the future.  (That&#039;s what I meant by accepting negative responses.  Sorry for the confusion.)

Melinda&#039;s last paragraph (#16) highlights the issue of the Church&#039;s inability in this type of program to demand effort and focus and attendance - to impose consequences of almost any sort short of expulsion, and even that could be very problematic.  For that reason, I believe the ideal would be more of an application process among competing applicants - knowing that might never be possible.  If we must stick to the volunteer and accept anyone who agrees to attend model, I still think we should separate those with severe mental and/or emotional issues from those without them.  The proper instructional model for each group simply is too different to succeed, IMHO.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No.  Sorry, Claire.  I was mixing how it is done and what I would suggest as the ideal.  You know what the pregnant woman said to her husband: &#8220;I know what I was thinking; why don&#8217;t you?&#8221;</p>
<p>Our stake approaches people, but there is no pressure to attend if the person doesn&#8217;t respond with enthusiasm &#8211; or at least determination.  It then becomes an open invitation for the future.  (That&#8217;s what I meant by accepting negative responses.  Sorry for the confusion.)</p>
<p>Melinda&#8217;s last paragraph (#16) highlights the issue of the Church&#8217;s inability in this type of program to demand effort and focus and attendance &#8211; to impose consequences of almost any sort short of expulsion, and even that could be very problematic.  For that reason, I believe the ideal would be more of an application process among competing applicants &#8211; knowing that might never be possible.  If we must stick to the volunteer and accept anyone who agrees to attend model, I still think we should separate those with severe mental and/or emotional issues from those without them.  The proper instructional model for each group simply is too different to succeed, IMHO.</p>
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		<title>By: claire</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 18 May 2007 22:49:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ray, thanks for fleshing out your previous comment.  I was wondering about it.  I still am somewhat confused though... you say the students should ask, but then say that the stake is approaching people.  Do they approach people, then deny them if they don&#039;t articulate a good reason?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ray, thanks for fleshing out your previous comment.  I was wondering about it.  I still am somewhat confused though&#8230; you say the students should ask, but then say that the stake is approaching people.  Do they approach people, then deny them if they don&#8217;t articulate a good reason?</p>
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		<title>By: Ray</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2007/05/17/the-relief-society-literacy-project/#comment-79953</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ray]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 May 2007 21:19:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[To reinforce what Ardis just said, the greatest leap in literacy in the history of the world occurred because Gutenberg made something available that people wanted to read - the Bible.  You can put every book ever written in front of someone, but if that person doesn&#039;t have an internal motivation to learn to read you will have a very difficult time teaching them to read.  (Just look at the situation in many schools throughout the country and the difficulty they have teaching children to read who are in the prime language acquisition window but have no parental or cultural support and, therefore, no internal motivation.)

That&#039;s why one of my suggestions is that each student ASK to be taught and articulate their reason for asking.  It is working best in our stake when our leaders are identifying potential students and asking them if they want to participate (and accepting negative responses) - instead of approaching it almost like an assignment that should be accepted.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To reinforce what Ardis just said, the greatest leap in literacy in the history of the world occurred because Gutenberg made something available that people wanted to read &#8211; the Bible.  You can put every book ever written in front of someone, but if that person doesn&#8217;t have an internal motivation to learn to read you will have a very difficult time teaching them to read.  (Just look at the situation in many schools throughout the country and the difficulty they have teaching children to read who are in the prime language acquisition window but have no parental or cultural support and, therefore, no internal motivation.)</p>
<p>That&#8217;s why one of my suggestions is that each student ASK to be taught and articulate their reason for asking.  It is working best in our stake when our leaders are identifying potential students and asking them if they want to participate (and accepting negative responses) &#8211; instead of approaching it almost like an assignment that should be accepted.</p>
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		<title>By: Ardis Parshall</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ardis Parshall]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 May 2007 19:21:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I winced when I read back my own comment that &quot;I wondered at Mark&#039;s description&quot; -- it sounded like I doubted his accuracy, when what I meant was &quot;I wondered how that could possibly work.&quot;

The gospel can be a powerful motivator in learning to read. One branch of my own family went from marginal literacy in one generation to school teachers in the next, because after having joined the church the family was hungry to read the scriptures. Laubach Literacy operates as a secular program, but its origins are through Protestant missionary experience with converts who wanted to read the Bible for themselves.

So I can see how literacy could be a natural fit for Relief Society service.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I winced when I read back my own comment that &#8220;I wondered at Mark&#8217;s description&#8221; &#8212; it sounded like I doubted his accuracy, when what I meant was &#8220;I wondered how that could possibly work.&#8221;</p>
<p>The gospel can be a powerful motivator in learning to read. One branch of my own family went from marginal literacy in one generation to school teachers in the next, because after having joined the church the family was hungry to read the scriptures. Laubach Literacy operates as a secular program, but its origins are through Protestant missionary experience with converts who wanted to read the Bible for themselves.</p>
<p>So I can see how literacy could be a natural fit for Relief Society service.</p>
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		<title>By: claire</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 18 May 2007 17:14:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am not familiar with the Church&#039;s materials, but I have heard that a stalwart sister in our ward, who has served in several major callings, became literate through this program  many years ago.

It seems to me that for the more advanced student, using the KJV along with a standard Engish version of the Bible might be a good exercise.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am not familiar with the Church&#8217;s materials, but I have heard that a stalwart sister in our ward, who has served in several major callings, became literate through this program  many years ago.</p>
<p>It seems to me that for the more advanced student, using the KJV along with a standard Engish version of the Bible might be a good exercise.</p>
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		<title>By: Sarah</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sarah]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 May 2007 16:59:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t think many members of the church in the US know about this program -- I ran into it accidentally on the official website about two weeks ago.  And given the number of people who&#039;ve told me that a teacher in Primary has &quot;no business at all&quot; in trying to help children figure out KJV English, I wonder whether the reception would be altogether positive if more noise were made.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think many members of the church in the US know about this program &#8212; I ran into it accidentally on the official website about two weeks ago.  And given the number of people who&#8217;ve told me that a teacher in Primary has &#8220;no business at all&#8221; in trying to help children figure out KJV English, I wonder whether the reception would be altogether positive if more noise were made.</p>
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		<title>By: Melinda</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 18 May 2007 16:36:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I volunteered at a library adult literacy program and had two students.  One was a man who had been brain-damaged in a car accident and was on a fourth grade level both cognitively and in his reading.  The other one was an ESL student from Europe.  I don&#039;t recall that either one of them made any progress at all due to my efforts, and we just sort of petered out after a couple months.

I learned that you can&#039;t teach much at all in two hours a week.  If someone is going to learn to read, it would take a lot more time commitment.  Our ward program asks for volunteers to volunteer as little as one hour a month.  One hour a month!  Reading takes much more than that, and the ward is afraid to ask for it.

I&#039;ll be tutoring two dyslexic children this summer.  I&#039;ve spent at least 80 hours reading books about how to teach reading in general and to dyslexic kids in specific and brainstorming lesson plans and ideas.  The ward would be hard pressed to find someone willing to put that kind of time into a calling besides bishop or RS Pres.  The people who are willing to work like that already have mega-callings.

This tutoring is not Church-affiliated. Personally, I wouldn&#039;t like to do it through the Church because of how laidback Church has to be.  It&#039;s okay if you&#039;re late, don&#039;t come, don&#039;t do anything, have a bad attitude, mouth off.  Yuck.  These people are paying me; their kids are going to be on time and on task; and I expect the parents to read out loud to their children regularly.  If they don&#039;t comply, then I can quit.  I&#039;m hoping that sort of structure will make both the students and families take this seriously.  If it was a Church calling, I wouldn&#039;t dare even tell them to stay on task, or insinuate to the parents that they ought to read to their kids at home.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I volunteered at a library adult literacy program and had two students.  One was a man who had been brain-damaged in a car accident and was on a fourth grade level both cognitively and in his reading.  The other one was an ESL student from Europe.  I don&#8217;t recall that either one of them made any progress at all due to my efforts, and we just sort of petered out after a couple months.</p>
<p>I learned that you can&#8217;t teach much at all in two hours a week.  If someone is going to learn to read, it would take a lot more time commitment.  Our ward program asks for volunteers to volunteer as little as one hour a month.  One hour a month!  Reading takes much more than that, and the ward is afraid to ask for it.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll be tutoring two dyslexic children this summer.  I&#8217;ve spent at least 80 hours reading books about how to teach reading in general and to dyslexic kids in specific and brainstorming lesson plans and ideas.  The ward would be hard pressed to find someone willing to put that kind of time into a calling besides bishop or RS Pres.  The people who are willing to work like that already have mega-callings.</p>
<p>This tutoring is not Church-affiliated. Personally, I wouldn&#8217;t like to do it through the Church because of how laidback Church has to be.  It&#8217;s okay if you&#8217;re late, don&#8217;t come, don&#8217;t do anything, have a bad attitude, mouth off.  Yuck.  These people are paying me; their kids are going to be on time and on task; and I expect the parents to read out loud to their children regularly.  If they don&#8217;t comply, then I can quit.  I&#8217;m hoping that sort of structure will make both the students and families take this seriously.  If it was a Church calling, I wouldn&#8217;t dare even tell them to stay on task, or insinuate to the parents that they ought to read to their kids at home.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark IV</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mark IV]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 May 2007 14:00:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[amri, I think that is a very good idea, at least for us in North America.  In the parts of the world where over 50% of the ward can&#039;t read, it probably needs to be a ward initiative.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>amri, I think that is a very good idea, at least for us in North America.  In the parts of the world where over 50% of the ward can&#8217;t read, it probably needs to be a ward initiative.</p>
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		<title>By: amri</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[amri]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 May 2007 13:56:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I wonder then, if like what Ardis is saying, we should use it as an impetus to get involved in literacy programs set up by people with more experience. We Mormons have to run so much, maybe it would be nice to be the helpers rather than the organizers and maintainers in this sort of thing.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder then, if like what Ardis is saying, we should use it as an impetus to get involved in literacy programs set up by people with more experience. We Mormons have to run so much, maybe it would be nice to be the helpers rather than the organizers and maintainers in this sort of thing.</p>
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