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	<title>Comments on: Elder Nelson doesn&#8217;t believe in Evolution</title>
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		<title>By: Ray</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2007/05/20/elder-nelson-doesnt-believe-in-evolution/#comment-69289</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ray]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 May 2007 18:27:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Which, ironically, is basically what Elder Wickman said: &quot;I donâ€™t know of anybody in the ranks of the First Presidency and the Twelve [Apostles] who has ever spent much time worrying about this matter of evolution.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Which, ironically, is basically what Elder Wickman said: &#8220;I donâ€™t know of anybody in the ranks of the First Presidency and the Twelve [Apostles] who has ever spent much time worrying about this matter of evolution.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: JoeR</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2007/05/20/elder-nelson-doesnt-believe-in-evolution/#comment-69288</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 25 May 2007 14:39:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I was just browsing on another subject and came across this by Hugh Nibley on the subject:

&quot;Right down to the present day we have been the spectators of a foolish contest between equally vain and bigoted rivals, in which it is a moot question which side heaps the most contempt on God&#039;s creatures. . . .

&quot;. . . This futile quarrel should be no concern of ours.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was just browsing on another subject and came across this by Hugh Nibley on the subject:</p>
<p>&#8220;Right down to the present day we have been the spectators of a foolish contest between equally vain and bigoted rivals, in which it is a moot question which side heaps the most contempt on God&#8217;s creatures. . . .</p>
<p>&#8220;. . . This futile quarrel should be no concern of ours.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: mlu</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 24 May 2007 06:38:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m grateful for Elder Nelson&#039;s comments. I rather suspect he has more grasp of science than some of his expert debunkers. I believe the Twelve&#039;s attitude toward evolution is as they have said: they are not in complete agreement on those issues, they haven&#039;t received revelation that settles the matter, and they humbly await further knowledge whether that comes as revelation through prayer or revelation through scientific inquiry.

I suspect the truth is stranger and more wonderful than anyone realizes, especially those whose imagination is shaped mostly by the faith of the Darwinists, though I do take evolution as the most satisfying scientific explanation yet available. It does seem quite incomplete though. Some things are missing.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m grateful for Elder Nelson&#8217;s comments. I rather suspect he has more grasp of science than some of his expert debunkers. I believe the Twelve&#8217;s attitude toward evolution is as they have said: they are not in complete agreement on those issues, they haven&#8217;t received revelation that settles the matter, and they humbly await further knowledge whether that comes as revelation through prayer or revelation through scientific inquiry.</p>
<p>I suspect the truth is stranger and more wonderful than anyone realizes, especially those whose imagination is shaped mostly by the faith of the Darwinists, though I do take evolution as the most satisfying scientific explanation yet available. It does seem quite incomplete though. Some things are missing.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg Smith</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2007/05/20/elder-nelson-doesnt-believe-in-evolution/#comment-69169</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Smith]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 May 2007 05:12:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Steve Evans helped derail the thread further, by asking:

&lt;blockquote&gt;Greg Smith â€” did you serve a mission in Paris France? You seem like the guy.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&quot;Hmmm.  There aren&#039;t enough people to go on splits with the fresh-off-the-plane Elders and Sisters at St. Germain-en-Laye.....Evans, Smith: you guys are from Canada, right?  Bonne chance, freres.&quot;

Greg, still recovering from the scars.
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P.S. Any claims that the two young barely-competent-in French Elders almost ended up in a cafe with two French women on that dark, frigid Paris night are vicious slanders and lies, likely spread by the TJs.

P.P.S. I only responded to this personal note because it looks like Steve E. has some measure of officialdom here.  I assume he can delete this as needed.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve Evans helped derail the thread further, by asking:</p>
<blockquote><p>Greg Smith â€” did you serve a mission in Paris France? You seem like the guy.</p></blockquote>
<p>&#8220;Hmmm.  There aren&#8217;t enough people to go on splits with the fresh-off-the-plane Elders and Sisters at St. Germain-en-Laye&#8230;..Evans, Smith: you guys are from Canada, right?  Bonne chance, freres.&#8221;</p>
<p>Greg, still recovering from the scars.<br />
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<p>P.S. Any claims that the two young barely-competent-in French Elders almost ended up in a cafe with two French women on that dark, frigid Paris night are vicious slanders and lies, likely spread by the TJs.</p>
<p>P.P.S. I only responded to this personal note because it looks like Steve E. has some measure of officialdom here.  I assume he can delete this as needed.</p>
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		<title>By: a random John</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2007/05/20/elder-nelson-doesnt-believe-in-evolution/#comment-69275</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 23 May 2007 16:33:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Walt Eddy,

Good point.  You&#039;ve furthered my belief that people (including me I suppose) are putting words in Elder Nelson&#039;s mouth when they flatly state that he doesn&#039;t believe in evolution.  A better summary might be: Elder Nelson claims that he doesn&#039;t comprehend evolution (or maybe how it could have happened.)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Walt Eddy,</p>
<p>Good point.  You&#8217;ve furthered my belief that people (including me I suppose) are putting words in Elder Nelson&#8217;s mouth when they flatly state that he doesn&#8217;t believe in evolution.  A better summary might be: Elder Nelson claims that he doesn&#8217;t comprehend evolution (or maybe how it could have happened.)</p>
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		<title>By: Clark Goble</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Clark Goble]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 May 2007 14:32:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;b&gt;Julie:&lt;/b&gt; (#142) &lt;i&gt;Iâ€™m not sure that a belief in prophets as having special insight into how literally to read the scriptures is entirely appropriate in the first place.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I actually think they do have a special insight.  I just don&#039;t think this entails that all claims are with respect to that insight.  However I strongly feel that if nothing else their spiritual experience which is far, far greater than mine will lead them to see insights I don&#039;t.  It&#039;s simply a better context in that respect from which to interpret.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p><b>Julie:</b> (#142) <i>Iâ€™m not sure that a belief in prophets as having special insight into how literally to read the scriptures is entirely appropriate in the first place.</i></p></blockquote>
<p>I actually think they do have a special insight.  I just don&#8217;t think this entails that all claims are with respect to that insight.  However I strongly feel that if nothing else their spiritual experience which is far, far greater than mine will lead them to see insights I don&#8217;t.  It&#8217;s simply a better context in that respect from which to interpret.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam Greenwood</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2007/05/20/elder-nelson-doesnt-believe-in-evolution/#comment-69286</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Adam Greenwood]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 May 2007 14:22:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;em&gt;whether or not Adam had a belly button&lt;/em&gt;

What, you want pictures?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>whether or not Adam had a belly button</em></p>
<p>What, you want pictures?</p>
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		<title>By: Sex, One Hundred Years Later &#124; Main Street Plaza</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2007/05/20/elder-nelson-doesnt-believe-in-evolution/#comment-69285</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sex, One Hundred Years Later &#124; Main Street Plaza]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 May 2007 04:30:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] a time when Russell Nelson continues to denounce evolution, I have to admit that I am taking vain pleasure to be remotely [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] a time when Russell Nelson continues to denounce evolution, I have to admit that I am taking vain pleasure to be remotely [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Walt  Eddy</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2007/05/20/elder-nelson-doesnt-believe-in-evolution/#comment-69284</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Walt  Eddy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 May 2007 03:40:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[137: &quot;But to think that man evolved from one species to another is, to me, incomprehensible,&quot; is what Apostle Nelson said. Incomprehensible means impossible to know or fathom doesnâ€™t it. So is it that it won&#039;t be known or fathomed until it is revealed? Is that the idea? So do scientists who listen to Apostles figure it is futile to mess with this?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>137: &#8220;But to think that man evolved from one species to another is, to me, incomprehensible,&#8221; is what Apostle Nelson said. Incomprehensible means impossible to know or fathom doesnâ€™t it. So is it that it won&#8217;t be known or fathomed until it is revealed? Is that the idea? So do scientists who listen to Apostles figure it is futile to mess with this?</p>
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		<title>By: Julie M. Smith</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2007/05/20/elder-nelson-doesnt-believe-in-evolution/#comment-69283</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Julie M. Smith]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 May 2007 03:32:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Accepting the reality of evolution while retaining belief in LDS prophets as necessarily having special insight into how â€œliterallyâ€ to read the scriptures is very difficult.&quot;

I&#039;m not sure that a belief in prophets as having special insight into how literally to read the scriptures is entirely appropriate in the first place.  They don&#039;t write comprehensive academic commentaries on the scriptures--they use isolated passages in oral discourse in order to make an immediate application to the lives of their hearers.  Not that there is anything wrong with this--there is everything right with this until/unless we expect it to do something it wasn&#039;t designed to do.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Accepting the reality of evolution while retaining belief in LDS prophets as necessarily having special insight into how â€œliterallyâ€ to read the scriptures is very difficult.&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure that a belief in prophets as having special insight into how literally to read the scriptures is entirely appropriate in the first place.  They don&#8217;t write comprehensive academic commentaries on the scriptures&#8211;they use isolated passages in oral discourse in order to make an immediate application to the lives of their hearers.  Not that there is anything wrong with this&#8211;there is everything right with this until/unless we expect it to do something it wasn&#8217;t designed to do.</p>
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