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	<title>Comments on: President Monson&#8217;s fortuitous handbook</title>
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		<title>By: Justin</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2007/09/25/president-monsons-fortuitous-handbook/#comment-64480</link>
		<dc:creator>Justin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Sep 2007 18:44:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In &lt;a href=&quot;http://library.lds.org/nxt/gateway.dll/Magazines/Ensign/1998.htm/ensign may 1998.htm/in harms way.htm?fn=document-frameset.htm$f=templates$3.0&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;one talk&lt;/a&gt;, he seems to date his enlistment as July 1945.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In <a href="http://library.lds.org/nxt/gateway.dll/Magazines/Ensign/1998.htm/ensign may 1998.htm/in harms way.htm?fn=document-frameset.htm$f=templates$3.0" rel="nofollow">one talk</a>, he seems to date his enlistment as July 1945.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark B.</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2007/09/25/president-monsons-fortuitous-handbook/#comment-64481</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark B.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Sep 2007 18:33:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While were speculating about what Pres. Monson meant about never having seen a blessing given, I wouldn&#039;t be at all surprised if he meant what the plain meaning of the statement seems to say:  that he had never seen a priesthood blessing given to the sick.  There&#039;s no need to write a back story for Pres. Monson that includes an early life where blessings were given often in situations where he was likely to be.  It shouldn&#039;t make us think less of him, or his family, if blessing the sick wasn&#039;t something that happened.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While were speculating about what Pres. Monson meant about never having seen a blessing given, I wouldn&#8217;t be at all surprised if he meant what the plain meaning of the statement seems to say:  that he had never seen a priesthood blessing given to the sick.  There&#8217;s no need to write a back story for Pres. Monson that includes an early life where blessings were given often in situations where he was likely to be.  It shouldn&#8217;t make us think less of him, or his family, if blessing the sick wasn&#8217;t something that happened.</p>
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		<title>By: abish</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2007/09/25/president-monsons-fortuitous-handbook/#comment-64482</link>
		<dc:creator>abish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Sep 2007 16:23:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think he enlisted at 17 (so did my own father in the Navy)but the statement says he didn&#039;t enter &quot;active duty&quot; until after he turned 18 and had been ordained an Elder. Missed that part in my initial read through...sorry.

I think John is right on in post #6.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think he enlisted at 17 (so did my own father in the Navy)but the statement says he didn&#8217;t enter &#8220;active duty&#8221; until after he turned 18 and had been ordained an Elder. Missed that part in my initial read through&#8230;sorry.</p>
<p>I think John is right on in post #6.</p>
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		<title>By: john f.</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2007/09/25/president-monsons-fortuitous-handbook/#comment-64484</link>
		<dc:creator>john f.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Sep 2007 15:15:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that there might have been more flexibility about being ordained an Elder before the age of 18 in those days.  He could have been ordained at 17, I suppose.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that there might have been more flexibility about being ordained an Elder before the age of 18 in those days.  He could have been ordained at 17, I suppose.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark B.</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2007/09/25/president-monsons-fortuitous-handbook/#comment-64483</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark B.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Sep 2007 14:22:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pres. Monson 18th birthday (August 27, 1945) did indeed occur during the final phases of World War II.  Hiroshima was bombed on the morning of August 6 (it was still the 5th in the U.S.) and Nagasaki on August 9.  The emperor had announced in a radio address to the Japanese people on August 15 that he had decided to accept the Allies&#039; surrender terms, and the occupation of the Japanese home islands began on August 28.  The formal surrender took place on September 2 aboard the battleship Missouri in Tokyo Bay.

So, if Pres. Monson entered the navy one week after his birthday, he began his service on September 3, the day after the war ended.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pres. Monson 18th birthday (August 27, 1945) did indeed occur during the final phases of World War II.  Hiroshima was bombed on the morning of August 6 (it was still the 5th in the U.S.) and Nagasaki on August 9.  The emperor had announced in a radio address to the Japanese people on August 15 that he had decided to accept the Allies&#8217; surrender terms, and the occupation of the Japanese home islands began on August 28.  The formal surrender took place on September 2 aboard the battleship Missouri in Tokyo Bay.</p>
<p>So, if Pres. Monson entered the navy one week after his birthday, he began his service on September 3, the day after the war ended.</p>
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		<title>By: Justin</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2007/09/25/president-monsons-fortuitous-handbook/#comment-64485</link>
		<dc:creator>Justin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Sep 2007 23:50:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I found a few references to his father:

&lt;a href=&quot;http://lds.org/portal/site/LDSOrg/menuitem.b12f9d18fae655bb69095bd3e44916a0/?vgnextoid=024644f8f206c010VgnVCM1000004d82620aRCRD&amp;locale=0&amp;sourceId=1a6518e7c379b010VgnVCM1000004d82620a____&amp;hideNav=1&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Enlisting in the Navy&lt;/a&gt; (&quot;Then they asked us to sign on the dotted line. I turned to my father and said, &#039;What should I do, Dad?&#039;  In a voice choked with emotion, he replied, &#039;I don&#039;t know anything about the navy.&#039;&quot;)

&lt;blockquote&gt;As I was growing up, our family, in the springtime and in the fall, would drive to Provo Canyon. We boys were always anxious to get on the fishing stream or into the swimming hole, and we would try to push the car a little faster. In those days, my father drove an old 1928 Oldsmobile, and if he went over 35 miles an hour, my mother would say, &quot;Keep it down! Keep it down!&quot; I would say, &quot;Put the accelerator down, Dad! Put it down!&quot;

Dad would stay at about thirty-five miles an hour all the way to Provo Canyon, until we would at times come around a bend in the road and run straight into a herd of sheep. We would come to a standstill as hundreds of sheep would file past us, seemingly without a shepherd, a few dogs yapping at their heels as they moved along. Way in the rear we could see the horse—with not a bridle on it, but a halter—and the sheepherder. He was occasionally slouched down in the saddle dozing, as the horse knew which way to go, and the yapping dogs did the work. (&lt;em&gt;Inspiring Experiences that Build Faith&lt;/em&gt;, 13)&lt;/blockquote&gt;

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Uncle Elias&lt;/a&gt; (&quot;My own father, a printer, worked long and hard practically every day of his life. I’m certain that on the Sabbath he would have enjoyed just being at home. Rather, he visited elderly family members and brought cheer into their lives.&quot;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I found a few references to his father:</p>
<p><a href="http://lds.org/portal/site/LDSOrg/menuitem.b12f9d18fae655bb69095bd3e44916a0/?vgnextoid=024644f8f206c010VgnVCM1000004d82620aRCRD&amp;locale=0&amp;sourceId=1a6518e7c379b010VgnVCM1000004d82620a____&amp;hideNav=1" rel="nofollow">Enlisting in the Navy</a> (&#8220;Then they asked us to sign on the dotted line. I turned to my father and said, &#8216;What should I do, Dad?&#8217;  In a voice choked with emotion, he replied, &#8216;I don&#8217;t know anything about the navy.&#8217;&#8221;)</p>
<blockquote><p>As I was growing up, our family, in the springtime and in the fall, would drive to Provo Canyon. We boys were always anxious to get on the fishing stream or into the swimming hole, and we would try to push the car a little faster. In those days, my father drove an old 1928 Oldsmobile, and if he went over 35 miles an hour, my mother would say, &#8220;Keep it down! Keep it down!&#8221; I would say, &#8220;Put the accelerator down, Dad! Put it down!&#8221;</p>
<p>Dad would stay at about thirty-five miles an hour all the way to Provo Canyon, until we would at times come around a bend in the road and run straight into a herd of sheep. We would come to a standstill as hundreds of sheep would file past us, seemingly without a shepherd, a few dogs yapping at their heels as they moved along. Way in the rear we could see the horse—with not a bridle on it, but a halter—and the sheepherder. He was occasionally slouched down in the saddle dozing, as the horse knew which way to go, and the yapping dogs did the work. (<em>Inspiring Experiences that Build Faith</em>, 13)</p></blockquote>
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Uncle Elias</a> (&#8220;My own father, a printer, worked long and hard practically every day of his life. I’m certain that on the Sabbath he would have enjoyed just being at home. Rather, he visited elderly family members and brought cheer into their lives.&#8221;)</p>
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		<title>By: abish</title>
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		<dc:creator>abish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Sep 2007 21:42:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why am I thinking that he was raised by a single mother? I&#039;m not sure when his father died, or even if he was active while Thomas was growing up....but it seems like he talks a lot about his mother while growing up but not his dad. That might be why he was so unsure about the details of the blessing? (Plus he was only 17 when he entered the military...)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why am I thinking that he was raised by a single mother? I&#8217;m not sure when his father died, or even if he was active while Thomas was growing up&#8230;.but it seems like he talks a lot about his mother while growing up but not his dad. That might be why he was so unsure about the details of the blessing? (Plus he was only 17 when he entered the military&#8230;)</p>
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		<title>By: Tatiana</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tatiana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Sep 2007 20:31:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder what happened to the mice.  Did any of them make it?  I totally give blessings to other species of animals, though probably not in the accepted form.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder what happened to the mice.  Did any of them make it?  I totally give blessings to other species of animals, though probably not in the accepted form.</p>
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		<title>By: john f.</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2007/09/25/president-monsons-fortuitous-handbook/#comment-64488</link>
		<dc:creator>john f.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Sep 2007 18:26:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe President Monson meant that he had never seen a blessing for the sick given by only one elder.  He would never have given a standard blessing for the sick with two or more elders before (where one annoints and the other seals the annointing) but he might have seen that done before or been the recipient of that.  Even if he had been the recipient of it he might still feel like he had no idea of how to give a blessing with oil with only one priesthood holder present.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe President Monson meant that he had never seen a blessing for the sick given by only one elder.  He would never have given a standard blessing for the sick with two or more elders before (where one annoints and the other seals the annointing) but he might have seen that done before or been the recipient of that.  Even if he had been the recipient of it he might still feel like he had no idea of how to give a blessing with oil with only one priesthood holder present.</p>
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		<title>By: J. Stapley</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2007/09/25/president-monsons-fortuitous-handbook/#comment-64490</link>
		<dc:creator>J. Stapley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Sep 2007 18:05:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kris, those are excellent questions (and a great story about the mice).  Perhaps there is less of a concern about specific forms when it is understood that there are less rules, but I am not certain.  I remember vividly the first blessing I gave when I was 18.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kris, those are excellent questions (and a great story about the mice).  Perhaps there is less of a concern about specific forms when it is understood that there are less rules, but I am not certain.  I remember vividly the first blessing I gave when I was 18.</p>
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