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		<title>By: Stan</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2007/09/28/thoughts-on-missionary-rituals/#comment-107544</link>
		<dc:creator>Stan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Oct 2007 14:39:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Like others here we burned the tie at 6 months, the white shirt at 12, slacks at 18, and a full worn out suit on the 24 month click day. - Only two weeks into my service I witnessed a zone burning with about half of my zone (14 or so elders) burning something (mostly slacks) in a ritualistic way behind a stake center in Federal Way, WA. The flames were followed by foolish chanting and dancing in a circle. - Undoubtedly anyone who witnessed this, member, former missionary, or Gentile Joe, would have found this completely wacko behavior...So I&#039;m glad that most missions now days publically speak of a &quot;no burn&quot; policy which may keep the Church from looking like crazies in the woods at night...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like others here we burned the tie at 6 months, the white shirt at 12, slacks at 18, and a full worn out suit on the 24 month click day. &#8211; Only two weeks into my service I witnessed a zone burning with about half of my zone (14 or so elders) burning something (mostly slacks) in a ritualistic way behind a stake center in Federal Way, WA. The flames were followed by foolish chanting and dancing in a circle. &#8211; Undoubtedly anyone who witnessed this, member, former missionary, or Gentile Joe, would have found this completely wacko behavior&#8230;So I&#8217;m glad that most missions now days publically speak of a &#8220;no burn&#8221; policy which may keep the Church from looking like crazies in the woods at night&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: acm</title>
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		<dc:creator>acm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Oct 2007 00:16:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#10: The Molaroff! Woohoo! I&#039;d forgotten about that little mission rite of passage. I never did it, though I knew several missionaries who had. I served in Bordeaux from 94-96 and, in contrast to your experience, some guys in my mission did burn a tie at six months, a shirt at one year, trousers at 18 months and a suit at the end. I only had one companion who had done all four.

On a more serious note, Ray&#039;s story reminded me of a companion I once had.

In my mission it was common to do &quot;blue splits&quot; (or &quot;greenie splits,&quot; for you non-French mission alumni) where new missionaries would be assigned to a different companion in a different district for one week after they&#039;d been in the field about one month. I think the idea was to let them know their trainer wasn&#039;t the most abhorrent in the mission. =)

Anyway, I had about a month to go and my ZL called me up and said he was having problems with a companionship in another city, and wanted to separate them for a few days by doing a blue split with my (month-old) companion. My comp wasn&#039;t happy about it but I agreed.

My new, temporary companion was a very young 19 from Kaysville, UT. He had, by his own admission, had a sheltered upbringing and told me of his culture shock at being in France, confiding &quot;Elder, where I come from, the &#039;bad people&#039; were the inactive people!&quot;

I was finishing my mission in the same city where I had begun. We had enjoyed great success with the local university students attending our weekly English classes, and the parents of one student, who was now in another city completing her education, had invited us to teach them a discussion and have dinner at their home, as they had not met me on my original tour through their city the year before. I told my new comp that he was in for the dinner of his life, and off we went.

The discussion went well -- they had actually read quite a bit in the Book of Mormon -- and that was probably the last chance my new companion had to get a word in edgewise. Which made his closing prayer all the more remarkable.

I&#039;m an anglophone Canadian, but my mother had sent me to a French immersion elementary school; although when I arrived in France it had been 12 years since I&#039;d spoken the language daily, the fact of having learned it beginning at age five soon bore its fruit. Within six months my French was among the best in the mission, and by the year mark I was getting asked what region of the country I was from. I had now been out nearly two years. Our hosts were retired French professors. Over dinner, we spoke freely and fluently about many things. Although we mostly kept to family and Church topics, my poor companion quickly lost the thread of the conversation and was never really able to pick it up again. French dinners last at least two hours; that&#039;s a long time for an insecure young man to feel like the odd one out.

But he did hear, at the very beginning, these two good people express concern for their outgoing, vivacious daughter who had so enjoyed her first two years in the local community college and now felt lost in a sea of strangers as she finished her last two years in a large university in the big city. She was homesick, and verging on depression, and it was so unlike her that her parents were unsure how to proceed.

Two hours later, this superb young missionary gave the closing prayer, and though the rest of us had forgotten how our dinner-table conversation had started, my companion prayed, in his halting, broken MTC French, for their daughter. For her schoolwork. For her sense of self-worth. For her feelings of depression and homesickness. It was all he had been able to capture of our conversation, and all of a sudden the rest of us realized how profound it was that he would remember and pray for this.

The whole time he prayed, the Spirit prodded me to remember all the advantages I&#039;d had, serving a mission in France. I was 23 when I&#039;d left, and was 25 when this happened; I had lived on my own for several years before serving a mission. I was a convert from Catholicism. I&#039;d gone to a French immersion school. So I understood the local religion, the language, and how to survive on my own. And here was this young boy, without any of my advantages, doing the work anyway. At that moment it was overwhelming.

When he finished, the rest of us were teary-eyed and I said: &quot;If the gospel motivates this young man to come halfway around the world and pray for your daughter, it&#039;s because it is true.&quot; The father, wiping his eyes, said simply: &quot;If we have learned anything about Mormons from your visits, it is that you are &#039;une religion saine.&#039;&quot; Anyone familiar with French attitudes towards &quot;les sectes&quot; will understand how significant that statement was.

I&#039;ve never forgotten that visit, though I have forgotten the Elder&#039;s name.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#10: The Molaroff! Woohoo! I&#8217;d forgotten about that little mission rite of passage. I never did it, though I knew several missionaries who had. I served in Bordeaux from 94-96 and, in contrast to your experience, some guys in my mission did burn a tie at six months, a shirt at one year, trousers at 18 months and a suit at the end. I only had one companion who had done all four.</p>
<p>On a more serious note, Ray&#8217;s story reminded me of a companion I once had.</p>
<p>In my mission it was common to do &#8220;blue splits&#8221; (or &#8220;greenie splits,&#8221; for you non-French mission alumni) where new missionaries would be assigned to a different companion in a different district for one week after they&#8217;d been in the field about one month. I think the idea was to let them know their trainer wasn&#8217;t the most abhorrent in the mission. =)</p>
<p>Anyway, I had about a month to go and my ZL called me up and said he was having problems with a companionship in another city, and wanted to separate them for a few days by doing a blue split with my (month-old) companion. My comp wasn&#8217;t happy about it but I agreed.</p>
<p>My new, temporary companion was a very young 19 from Kaysville, UT. He had, by his own admission, had a sheltered upbringing and told me of his culture shock at being in France, confiding &#8220;Elder, where I come from, the &#8216;bad people&#8217; were the inactive people!&#8221;</p>
<p>I was finishing my mission in the same city where I had begun. We had enjoyed great success with the local university students attending our weekly English classes, and the parents of one student, who was now in another city completing her education, had invited us to teach them a discussion and have dinner at their home, as they had not met me on my original tour through their city the year before. I told my new comp that he was in for the dinner of his life, and off we went.</p>
<p>The discussion went well &#8212; they had actually read quite a bit in the Book of Mormon &#8212; and that was probably the last chance my new companion had to get a word in edgewise. Which made his closing prayer all the more remarkable.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m an anglophone Canadian, but my mother had sent me to a French immersion elementary school; although when I arrived in France it had been 12 years since I&#8217;d spoken the language daily, the fact of having learned it beginning at age five soon bore its fruit. Within six months my French was among the best in the mission, and by the year mark I was getting asked what region of the country I was from. I had now been out nearly two years. Our hosts were retired French professors. Over dinner, we spoke freely and fluently about many things. Although we mostly kept to family and Church topics, my poor companion quickly lost the thread of the conversation and was never really able to pick it up again. French dinners last at least two hours; that&#8217;s a long time for an insecure young man to feel like the odd one out.</p>
<p>But he did hear, at the very beginning, these two good people express concern for their outgoing, vivacious daughter who had so enjoyed her first two years in the local community college and now felt lost in a sea of strangers as she finished her last two years in a large university in the big city. She was homesick, and verging on depression, and it was so unlike her that her parents were unsure how to proceed.</p>
<p>Two hours later, this superb young missionary gave the closing prayer, and though the rest of us had forgotten how our dinner-table conversation had started, my companion prayed, in his halting, broken MTC French, for their daughter. For her schoolwork. For her sense of self-worth. For her feelings of depression and homesickness. It was all he had been able to capture of our conversation, and all of a sudden the rest of us realized how profound it was that he would remember and pray for this.</p>
<p>The whole time he prayed, the Spirit prodded me to remember all the advantages I&#8217;d had, serving a mission in France. I was 23 when I&#8217;d left, and was 25 when this happened; I had lived on my own for several years before serving a mission. I was a convert from Catholicism. I&#8217;d gone to a French immersion school. So I understood the local religion, the language, and how to survive on my own. And here was this young boy, without any of my advantages, doing the work anyway. At that moment it was overwhelming.</p>
<p>When he finished, the rest of us were teary-eyed and I said: &#8220;If the gospel motivates this young man to come halfway around the world and pray for your daughter, it&#8217;s because it is true.&#8221; The father, wiping his eyes, said simply: &#8220;If we have learned anything about Mormons from your visits, it is that you are &#8216;une religion saine.&#8217;&#8221; Anyone familiar with French attitudes towards &#8220;les sectes&#8221; will understand how significant that statement was.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve never forgotten that visit, though I have forgotten the Elder&#8217;s name.</p>
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		<title>By: Eve</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2007/09/28/thoughts-on-missionary-rituals/#comment-107542</link>
		<dc:creator>Eve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Oct 2007 04:10:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I dressed up like a hippie and burned a bra at my nine-month mark. I had a hard time explaining all of the cultural referents involved to my Italian companions--but she was game for anything entertaining. That was also the proverbial cockroach-infested apartment which every missionary encounters at some point or other, and she was the companion who informed me that it&#039;s the senior companion&#039;s job to kill the roaches. I must have missed that in the section on companion relationships in the Missionary Guide.

Good times.

m&amp;m, isn&#039;t it funny how authentic food can make you cry great tears of happiness? I came home from my mission the same day as my college roommate who had gone to Korea, and she was on one serious diehard kimchi quest, as I recall.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I dressed up like a hippie and burned a bra at my nine-month mark. I had a hard time explaining all of the cultural referents involved to my Italian companions&#8211;but she was game for anything entertaining. That was also the proverbial cockroach-infested apartment which every missionary encounters at some point or other, and she was the companion who informed me that it&#8217;s the senior companion&#8217;s job to kill the roaches. I must have missed that in the section on companion relationships in the Missionary Guide.</p>
<p>Good times.</p>
<p>m&amp;m, isn&#8217;t it funny how authentic food can make you cry great tears of happiness? I came home from my mission the same day as my college roommate who had gone to Korea, and she was on one serious diehard kimchi quest, as I recall.</p>
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		<title>By: m&#38;m</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2007/09/28/thoughts-on-missionary-rituals/#comment-107541</link>
		<dc:creator>m&#38;m</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Oct 2007 03:46:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This isn&#039;t as much about rituals but about the things that can mean so much to a returned missionary.

My parents brought me back a gift after being close to where I served (So. America). I cried when I opened it....a handmade leather scripture cover for my quad, with pictures of Christ on front and back and my mission name on the spine, my own name recorded in full in the front. (Does this ring a bell for anyone?) I had purchased one for my Spanish triple but really wanted one for my English quad.

I don&#039;t remember mission rituals on the mission, but there are some things that bring a lot of nostalgia for the mission. The food is one of them. Someone in my ward is from my mission area and brought me over some homemade, authentic food. I found a restaurant that serves it here and it was like I had been beamed back. It&#039;s a bit like Christmas joy to eat the real thing.

One of my favorite memories related to the food in my mission is when I had the fortune of being sent there for a work project way back when. The first night in the hotel, I went to the restaurant to see if they had one of my favorite dishes. They didn&#039;t. The disappointment must have been evident on my face (I think I was ready to go elsewhere) because the server told me to hold on, and went back to talk to the chef. The chef told me he could make what I wanted, a special just for me. He did and it was delicious.

And I had to eat with about three people watching me because they loved the fact that I was loving each bite so much. Fun stuff....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This isn&#8217;t as much about rituals but about the things that can mean so much to a returned missionary.</p>
<p>My parents brought me back a gift after being close to where I served (So. America). I cried when I opened it&#8230;.a handmade leather scripture cover for my quad, with pictures of Christ on front and back and my mission name on the spine, my own name recorded in full in the front. (Does this ring a bell for anyone?) I had purchased one for my Spanish triple but really wanted one for my English quad.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t remember mission rituals on the mission, but there are some things that bring a lot of nostalgia for the mission. The food is one of them. Someone in my ward is from my mission area and brought me over some homemade, authentic food. I found a restaurant that serves it here and it was like I had been beamed back. It&#8217;s a bit like Christmas joy to eat the real thing.</p>
<p>One of my favorite memories related to the food in my mission is when I had the fortune of being sent there for a work project way back when. The first night in the hotel, I went to the restaurant to see if they had one of my favorite dishes. They didn&#8217;t. The disappointment must have been evident on my face (I think I was ready to go elsewhere) because the server told me to hold on, and went back to talk to the chef. The chef told me he could make what I wanted, a special just for me. He did and it was delicious.</p>
<p>And I had to eat with about three people watching me because they loved the fact that I was loving each bite so much. Fun stuff&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: JA Benson</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2007/09/28/thoughts-on-missionary-rituals/#comment-107540</link>
		<dc:creator>JA Benson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Oct 2007 02:16:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bless your heart #29 Margaret.  Never say never.  Your son could change in a heart beat. I’ve seen it a bunch of items.  With a Mom like you I’d bet the farm on it.  He could move to a stake like mine where the Stake President loves the wayward ones and send him on a great mission.  We have seen this a few times since the raising the bar in our stake.
 We’ve got three boys and two girls; this I know; there are no guarantees either way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bless your heart #29 Margaret.  Never say never.  Your son could change in a heart beat. I’ve seen it a bunch of items.  With a Mom like you I’d bet the farm on it.  He could move to a stake like mine where the Stake President loves the wayward ones and send him on a great mission.  We have seen this a few times since the raising the bar in our stake.<br />
 We’ve got three boys and two girls; this I know; there are no guarantees either way.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason Work</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2007/09/28/thoughts-on-missionary-rituals/#comment-107539</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason Work</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Oct 2007 23:03:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I remember doing the D&amp;C &quot;countdown&quot; (Scotland &#039;95-&#039;97.) It worked well because you got your travel plans a few months before the mission finished. I also remember being given a tie by the Elder who trained me when I first started. He had been given it by his trainer and they had both written their names on it. When I was called to train a new missionary I dutifully signed the tie and passed it on. I wonder how many &quot;generations&quot; that tie made it through.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I remember doing the D&amp;C &#8220;countdown&#8221; (Scotland &#8216;95-&#8217;97.) It worked well because you got your travel plans a few months before the mission finished. I also remember being given a tie by the Elder who trained me when I first started. He had been given it by his trainer and they had both written their names on it. When I was called to train a new missionary I dutifully signed the tie and passed it on. I wonder how many &#8220;generations&#8221; that tie made it through.</p>
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		<title>By: gst</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2007/09/28/thoughts-on-missionary-rituals/#comment-107538</link>
		<dc:creator>gst</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Oct 2007 22:39:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#29:

&lt;blockquote&gt;I’ll be in Boston. The next Sunday I’ll be at the MTC will be the last Sunday for another district. This one includes the young man who chose to leave his band rather than tour, and sold his very expensive guitars to finance his mission.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Take that, Howard Hunter!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#29:</p>
<blockquote><p>I’ll be in Boston. The next Sunday I’ll be at the MTC will be the last Sunday for another district. This one includes the young man who chose to leave his band rather than tour, and sold his very expensive guitars to finance his mission.</p></blockquote>
<p>Take that, Howard Hunter!</p>
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		<title>By: John Taber</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2007/09/28/thoughts-on-missionary-rituals/#comment-107537</link>
		<dc:creator>John Taber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Oct 2007 21:17:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I served in Italy 1992-94 and while I heard about Ringo toss I never saw it.

I could have done the D&amp;C countdown but by the time I had 140 days left I wasn&#039;t in a position to count days.  That is, it was hard enough focusing on getting up and out each day that I couldn&#039;t think about how many I had left.  (And two months before I was to go home, that date was changed and so I would have had to read sixteen sections one night to catch up.)

Someone serving from my home ward a few years later put an interesting twist on the countdown, that I might have considered doing: Every day that he read a section, his parents at home read the same section.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I served in Italy 1992-94 and while I heard about Ringo toss I never saw it.</p>
<p>I could have done the D&amp;C countdown but by the time I had 140 days left I wasn&#8217;t in a position to count days.  That is, it was hard enough focusing on getting up and out each day that I couldn&#8217;t think about how many I had left.  (And two months before I was to go home, that date was changed and so I would have had to read sixteen sections one night to catch up.)</p>
<p>Someone serving from my home ward a few years later put an interesting twist on the countdown, that I might have considered doing: Every day that he read a section, his parents at home read the same section.</p>
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		<title>By: Margaret Young</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2007/09/28/thoughts-on-missionary-rituals/#comment-107536</link>
		<dc:creator>Margaret Young</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Oct 2007 19:43:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JA Benson--aren&#039;t you lucky to have a child on a mission!

Like Walkinginthewoods, I have a son who is not going to serve a mission.  But I&#039;m no gourmet cook, so I do admire anyone who can make fancy meals.

I&#039;m writing this on the day our district left.  They left for various destinations this morning at 4:30 a.m.  My husband embraced each; I gave them a handshake.

My youngest son said to us yesterday, &quot;I&#039;m going to go on a mission because I know you two (meaning Bruce and me) are so disappointed that [my brother] didn&#039;t go.&quot;  I told him that I hoped by the time he&#039;s of age, we have very little to do with his decision.

Next week is Conference; the week following, I&#039;ll be in Boston.  The next Sunday I&#039;ll be at the MTC will be the last Sunday for another district.  This one includes the young man who chose to leave his band rather than tour, and sold his very expensive guitars to finance his mission.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JA Benson&#8211;aren&#8217;t you lucky to have a child on a mission!</p>
<p>Like Walkinginthewoods, I have a son who is not going to serve a mission.  But I&#8217;m no gourmet cook, so I do admire anyone who can make fancy meals.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m writing this on the day our district left.  They left for various destinations this morning at 4:30 a.m.  My husband embraced each; I gave them a handshake.</p>
<p>My youngest son said to us yesterday, &#8220;I&#8217;m going to go on a mission because I know you two (meaning Bruce and me) are so disappointed that [my brother] didn&#8217;t go.&#8221;  I told him that I hoped by the time he&#8217;s of age, we have very little to do with his decision.</p>
<p>Next week is Conference; the week following, I&#8217;ll be in Boston.  The next Sunday I&#8217;ll be at the MTC will be the last Sunday for another district.  This one includes the young man who chose to leave his band rather than tour, and sold his very expensive guitars to finance his mission.</p>
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		<title>By: AHLDuke</title>
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		<dc:creator>AHLDuke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Oct 2007 15:10:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I burned a tie at 6 months and a shirt at 12.  In my mission (Mexico), the ties and shirts were in such bad shape at that point (lots of hard hand-washing each P-day), that burning them was just as appropriate as wearing them.  I can&#039;t remember really well, but I think I burned a pair of pants at 18 months.  At two years, our mission president cut off the bottom half of our tie.  I had already given away all of my &quot;bad&quot; ties at that point, so I wanted to keep the ones I still had.  So the MP lent me one of his old ties and cut it off.  Looking back through my souvenirs, I really wish I had just let him cut one of my ties.  It would have been much more meaningful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I burned a tie at 6 months and a shirt at 12.  In my mission (Mexico), the ties and shirts were in such bad shape at that point (lots of hard hand-washing each P-day), that burning them was just as appropriate as wearing them.  I can&#8217;t remember really well, but I think I burned a pair of pants at 18 months.  At two years, our mission president cut off the bottom half of our tie.  I had already given away all of my &#8220;bad&#8221; ties at that point, so I wanted to keep the ones I still had.  So the MP lent me one of his old ties and cut it off.  Looking back through my souvenirs, I really wish I had just let him cut one of my ties.  It would have been much more meaningful.</p>
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