First, he proposed a plan that would bring all God’s children back to Him by denying their will and keeping them from sinning in any way. He asked for the glory of God (exclusively for himself) in return. When that was rejected and he was cast out of Heaven, he turned his attention to getting us to disobey God – thinking that would draw us away from God, frustrate God’s will and make mankind as miserable as he was. (“If I can’t exist in the presence of God, then I’m taking as many with me as possible. I’m not letting God win.”)

This is the fundamental reason we have a hard time with Calvinist predestination; it eliminates the free will that we believe lies at the heart of the grace of God that provides a Savior and Redeemer even though we sin as fallen creatures. If we have no real choice, what’s the use – the purpose of this life? We simply can’t accept the idea that a God who identifies Himself as our Father would create many of us as “feeling” beings simply to cast us into Hell through no fault of our own in order to torture us for eternity. “God is love” rings absolutely hollow to someone who has been “elected to damnation.”

1. While I would say that deception is one of Satan’s tactics, and that he does want us to go against God’s will, the devil’s ultimate goal (in regards to humanity) is to gain control over us.

2. To my knowledge, “don’t let anyone rule you” and “you can be your own God” were never listed biblically in conjunction with the transgression of Eve. Last I checked, it went like this. Eve was told not to eat the fruit. Then, seeing that it was delicious and that it would make her “like” God in knowing good and evil, she ate the fruit and shared it with her husband. Feel free to correct me if I’m wrong about that.

“Wherefore, men are free according to the flesh; and all things are given them which are expedient unto man. And they are free to choose liberty and eternal life, through the great Mediator of all men, or to choose captivity and death, according to the captivity and power of the devil; for he seeketh that all men might be miserable like unto himself.(2 Nephi 2:27)”

This clearly states what agency is to us and matches up quite well to what you say it is to you.

As for the issue of the devil in the garden, this stretches further back in our theology. According to LDS theology, Satan has been attempting to subjugate the human race before it was brought to mortality. Once mortal man was placed on this earth, he saw it as an opportunity to beat God. Only, the devil was fooled. God set up the test of the Garden of Eden for a reason. Knowing that man must gain experience and choose good over evil, He gave Adam and Eve two commandments that could not both be obeyed. In tempting Eve, Satan had an evil will, but he was fooled into pushing forth God’s plan of happiness. Satan’s actions were not goo, but the outcome of them was.

Through the Fall, we are brought into a world where we can face both right and wrong. By choosing wrong, we lose freedoms (like an alcoholic who has a hard time deciding not to drink). By choosing the right, we keep ourselves free. Whatever Satan does to harm the human race, his goal is always to destroy the agency of man, to enslave our race.

Once again, about the God killing? Someone attempts it; that’s why the series is about killing God. No one accomplishes it. No one kills God in these books. The books don’t say the Creator is a fabrication, either.

So, there is that.

Ok, I love the Chronicles of Narnia.I’m a christian(the pentocostal kind that has head-banging rock music that worships God at church. I play the bass)I don’t agree at all with mormonism, in fact I see it as cult-like, and the catholic church distcutst me because almost nothing they do is biblical, but thatis neither here or there. this forum will suffice

I watched that movie. People say that its watered down. Ok.
But the whole dust being sin, and dust being good just made me want to scream in the therater. It just angered me whent that happened.And killing God? thats just sad.
Jesus is life.

The one thing I did notice was that the book was writen with a very common poibnt of view that God is evil, and that he’s merely a fabrication to control people and take away their free will.

But God gave us free will. He doesn’t stifle us or make us empty. He just wants to be with us. Its not that he wants to punish us, he didn’t come to condemn the world, but top save it. the thing is that we made the choice to take our lot with satan. God cannot go back on his word. He said the outcome of sin is death.
When it all comes down to it, God made us because he wanted us to love him by choice, not because he forces us to.

I dunno… take what I say for what its worth, and let the spirit of God guide you to the truth.

I appreciate your conviction, particularly since I share it, but I don’t understand the context.