Comments on: Peter, Jacob and John http://bycommonconsent.com/2007/11/22/peter-jacob-and-john/ A Mormon Blog Sat, 21 Nov 2009 08:58:00 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 By: Kevin Barney http://bycommonconsent.com/2007/11/22/peter-jacob-and-john/#comment-22836 Kevin Barney Sun, 25 Nov 2007 20:33:44 +0000 http://www.bycommonconsent.com/2007/11/peter-jacob-and-john/#comment-22836 Yes, Jenny, there's the same kind of disconnect in the case you posit. The Hebrew name Yehoshua gets transliterated in the OT into English as Joshua, There was a shortened form of this name that was common in Aramaic-speaking Palestine, Yeshua. This gets transliterated into Greek as IEsous (with the same kinds of changes we see from Ya'akob to IakObos--iota in lieu of the Y sound and a name-forming sigma at the end). IEsous comes into English anglicized as Jesus. Yes, Jenny, there’s the same kind of disconnect in the case you posit. The Hebrew name Yehoshua gets transliterated in the OT into English as Joshua, There was a shortened form of this name that was common in Aramaic-speaking Palestine, Yeshua. This gets transliterated into Greek as IEsous (with the same kinds of changes we see from Ya’akob to IakObos–iota in lieu of the Y sound and a name-forming sigma at the end). IEsous comes into English anglicized as Jesus.

]]> By: Jenny the Lurker http://bycommonconsent.com/2007/11/22/peter-jacob-and-john/#comment-22835 Jenny the Lurker Sun, 25 Nov 2007 17:44:01 +0000 http://www.bycommonconsent.com/2007/11/peter-jacob-and-john/#comment-22835 <blockquote>Modern English readers are missing something by not being able to see the connections between NT persons with the name James and the great patriarch that gave rise to the House of Israel.</blockquote> What about Jesus = Joshua? Do we miss something when we don't make the connection that Jesus was named after (or just has the same name as) the prophet who succeeds Moses and leads the people out of the wilderness?

Modern English readers are missing something by not being able to see the connections between NT persons with the name James and the great patriarch that gave rise to the House of Israel.

What about Jesus = Joshua? Do we miss something when we don’t make the connection that Jesus was named after (or just has the same name as) the prophet who succeeds Moses and leads the people out of the wilderness?

]]> By: Matt W. http://bycommonconsent.com/2007/11/22/peter-jacob-and-john/#comment-22834 Matt W. Sat, 24 Nov 2007 06:57:50 +0000 http://www.bycommonconsent.com/2007/11/peter-jacob-and-john/#comment-22834 beautifully put forth. beautifully put forth.

]]> By: Jacob M http://bycommonconsent.com/2007/11/22/peter-jacob-and-john/#comment-22823 Jacob M Fri, 23 Nov 2007 19:01:38 +0000 http://www.bycommonconsent.com/2007/11/peter-jacob-and-john/#comment-22823 I like this post. :) I like this post. :)

]]> By: gfe http://bycommonconsent.com/2007/11/22/peter-jacob-and-john/#comment-22828 gfe Fri, 23 Nov 2007 07:41:26 +0000 http://www.bycommonconsent.com/2007/11/peter-jacob-and-john/#comment-22828 To answer the question about Diego and James (not that the answer is at all clear): <a href="http://spanish.about.com/od/historyofspanish/a/diego.htm" rel="nofollow">http://spanish.about.com/od/historyofspanish/a/diego.htm</a> To answer the question about Diego and James (not that the answer is at all clear): http://spanish.about.com/od/historyofspanish/a/diego.htm

]]> By: Kevin Barney http://bycommonconsent.com/2007/11/22/peter-jacob-and-john/#comment-22827 Kevin Barney Fri, 23 Nov 2007 02:09:07 +0000 http://www.bycommonconsent.com/2007/11/peter-jacob-and-john/#comment-22827 Steve is right. Iago is the Welsh form of James (Iaco --> Iago), so Santiago does indeed mean "Saint James." Steve is right. Iago is the Welsh form of James (Iaco –> Iago), so Santiago does indeed mean “Saint James.”

]]> By: Steve Evans http://bycommonconsent.com/2007/11/22/peter-jacob-and-john/#comment-22822 Steve Evans Fri, 23 Nov 2007 01:16:52 +0000 http://www.bycommonconsent.com/2007/11/peter-jacob-and-john/#comment-22822 Mark B., Sant/iago = Saint James. As <em>Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade</em> teaches us, Js in Latin become Is! Iacomus -->Iago--->Jacques... Mark B., Sant/iago = Saint James. As Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade teaches us, Js in Latin become Is! Iacomus –>Iago—>Jacques…

]]> By: Ray http://bycommonconsent.com/2007/11/22/peter-jacob-and-john/#comment-22825 Ray Fri, 23 Nov 2007 01:16:37 +0000 http://www.bycommonconsent.com/2007/11/peter-jacob-and-john/#comment-22825 Saint Iago as a derivative of Saint Iacobus? *grin* Saint Iago as a derivative of Saint Iacobus? *grin*

]]> By: Mark B. http://bycommonconsent.com/2007/11/22/peter-jacob-and-john/#comment-22826 Mark B. Fri, 23 Nov 2007 01:05:07 +0000 http://www.bycommonconsent.com/2007/11/peter-jacob-and-john/#comment-22826 Great post, Kevin. The real question, though, is where on earth do the Spaniards get Santiago?? That doesn't seem to bear any relation to James or Jacob or anything else close. Great post, Kevin.

The real question, though, is where on earth do the Spaniards get Santiago?? That doesn’t seem to bear any relation to James or Jacob or anything else close.

]]> By: Dwarik http://bycommonconsent.com/2007/11/22/peter-jacob-and-john/#comment-22833 Dwarik Thu, 22 Nov 2007 21:11:12 +0000 http://www.bycommonconsent.com/2007/11/peter-jacob-and-john/#comment-22833 Always wondered why the English used James. The Dutch bible i have uses Jacobus which doesn't really translate well. But then again a lot of names are translated to something that's pronounceable in a given language. Even names like John and Peter. Only Jesus seems to be fairly constant afaik. Always wondered why the English used James. The Dutch bible i have uses Jacobus which doesn’t really translate well. But then again a lot of names are translated to something that’s pronounceable in a given language. Even names like John and Peter. Only Jesus seems to be fairly constant afaik.

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