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	<title>Comments on: Why Don&#8217;t We Trust Joseph Smith?</title>
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		<title>By: Betty la Seawright</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2007/12/16/why-dont-we-trust-joseph-smith/#comment-102737</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Betty la Seawright]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 03:50:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jay, I thought you might be pleased to know that Max referenced this post in an interesting chat he had with his mom.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jay, I thought you might be pleased to know that Max referenced this post in an interesting chat he had with his mom.</p>
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		<title>By: queuno</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2007/12/16/why-dont-we-trust-joseph-smith/#comment-102735</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Dec 2007 06:50:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Darn it.  I tried to say I considered myself &lt;b&gt;fairly well-educated&lt;/b&gt;, and then blew it.  I&#039;m going to bed.  Too much Christmas-card writing.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Darn it.  I tried to say I considered myself <b>fairly well-educated</b>, and then blew it.  I&#8217;m going to bed.  Too much Christmas-card writing.</p>
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		<title>By: queuno</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2007/12/16/why-dont-we-trust-joseph-smith/#comment-102733</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[queuno]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Dec 2007 06:49:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;I’m bewildered why any LDS member would limit their knowledge of Joseph Smith to officially sanctioned texts.&lt;/i&gt;

Hmm.  Because perhaps Bloggernacle-level &quot;knowledge&quot; of JS is not a saving ordinance or a requirement for exaltation?  I consider myself fairly educated (including about Church history), but I&#039;m not going to slog through (for example) every volume from the Journal of Discourses if I want to delve into Brigham Young.

If you want to delve into Smithology, feel free.  I just don&#039;t see why you want to spoil *my* priesthood meetings, already chopped to 25 minutes because of the priesthood business and the golf outing announcements, with stuff that might be less than spiritual.  The book is fine.  Talented priesthood instructors aren&#039;t hamstrung by it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I’m bewildered why any LDS member would limit their knowledge of Joseph Smith to officially sanctioned texts.</i></p>
<p>Hmm.  Because perhaps Bloggernacle-level &#8220;knowledge&#8221; of JS is not a saving ordinance or a requirement for exaltation?  I consider myself fairly educated (including about Church history), but I&#8217;m not going to slog through (for example) every volume from the Journal of Discourses if I want to delve into Brigham Young.</p>
<p>If you want to delve into Smithology, feel free.  I just don&#8217;t see why you want to spoil *my* priesthood meetings, already chopped to 25 minutes because of the priesthood business and the golf outing announcements, with stuff that might be less than spiritual.  The book is fine.  Talented priesthood instructors aren&#8217;t hamstrung by it.</p>
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		<title>By: Hellmut</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2007/12/16/why-dont-we-trust-joseph-smith/#comment-102731</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Hellmut]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Dec 2007 16:30:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sure, Christopher.  Mormon studies is not exactly an opportunity rich environment.  That&#039;s probably the biggest issue.

I do think, however, that it is important to get the logic straight.  Pointing to Tom Alexander to somehow off-set what happened to Mike Quinn is a fallacy.  That&#039;s not a matter of opinion but the nature of formal logic.

We also need to acknowledge that hundreds of incidents of ecclesiastical interference into research have been documented, most comprehensively in Lavina Anderson&#039;s chronology in Dialogue in 1993.

Anyways, I would love to carry on this conversation but have to recuse myself because this might not be the right forum for this discussion (which is kind of funny, given the question at hand).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sure, Christopher.  Mormon studies is not exactly an opportunity rich environment.  That&#8217;s probably the biggest issue.</p>
<p>I do think, however, that it is important to get the logic straight.  Pointing to Tom Alexander to somehow off-set what happened to Mike Quinn is a fallacy.  That&#8217;s not a matter of opinion but the nature of formal logic.</p>
<p>We also need to acknowledge that hundreds of incidents of ecclesiastical interference into research have been documented, most comprehensively in Lavina Anderson&#8217;s chronology in Dialogue in 1993.</p>
<p>Anyways, I would love to carry on this conversation but have to recuse myself because this might not be the right forum for this discussion (which is kind of funny, given the question at hand).</p>
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		<title>By: Christopher</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2007/12/16/why-dont-we-trust-joseph-smith/#comment-102729</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Christopher]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Dec 2007 04:48:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hellmut, but because Sue got hit by a bus doesn&#039;t mean that all people get hit by busses. It is possible to overstate how many people get hit by busses, just like it is possible to overstate just how many people&#039;s research gets &quot;shut down&quot; by the Church, and to blame the dearth of scholarship in certain areas on that and that alone.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hellmut, but because Sue got hit by a bus doesn&#8217;t mean that all people get hit by busses. It is possible to overstate how many people get hit by busses, just like it is possible to overstate just how many people&#8217;s research gets &#8220;shut down&#8221; by the Church, and to blame the dearth of scholarship in certain areas on that and that alone.</p>
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		<title>By: Hellmut</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2007/12/16/why-dont-we-trust-joseph-smith/#comment-102727</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Hellmut]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Dec 2007 02:08:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Actually, Christopher, if Sue got hit by a bus then that&#039;s sufficient to make the case that busses hit people.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, Christopher, if Sue got hit by a bus then that&#8217;s sufficient to make the case that busses hit people.</p>
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		<title>By: Brad</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2007/12/16/why-dont-we-trust-joseph-smith/#comment-102725</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Brad]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Dec 2007 01:26:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The whole point is that it has happened and does happen.  The closer scholars want to get to the primary source material, the more difficult it becomes to do so without ruffling the wrong feathers in the COB.  A good friend of mine worked on the JS manual.  He was given discs with electronic copies of all the source material mined for the nuggets that went into the finished product; and he was repeatedly warned that he should not show them to anyone.

Even Bushman was denied access to some materials he wanted when writing RSR.  The more important the historical figure or event is to the Church today, the more control is exerted.  Joseph Smith is the Church&#039;s most correlated prophet by a long shot.

Again, I&#039;m not in a position to say that this is right or wrong, regardless of how I feel personally about it.  But let&#039;s call a spade a spade.  Blake Ostler can speculate about Mormon theology all he wants.  I happen to love his work.  But a) Blake&#039;s work would be far less interesting if he only had access to those teachings of JS officially promulgated and approved by the Church, and b) Blake&#039;s project is very different from the one for which JNS longs.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The whole point is that it has happened and does happen.  The closer scholars want to get to the primary source material, the more difficult it becomes to do so without ruffling the wrong feathers in the COB.  A good friend of mine worked on the JS manual.  He was given discs with electronic copies of all the source material mined for the nuggets that went into the finished product; and he was repeatedly warned that he should not show them to anyone.</p>
<p>Even Bushman was denied access to some materials he wanted when writing RSR.  The more important the historical figure or event is to the Church today, the more control is exerted.  Joseph Smith is the Church&#8217;s most correlated prophet by a long shot.</p>
<p>Again, I&#8217;m not in a position to say that this is right or wrong, regardless of how I feel personally about it.  But let&#8217;s call a spade a spade.  Blake Ostler can speculate about Mormon theology all he wants.  I happen to love his work.  But a) Blake&#8217;s work would be far less interesting if he only had access to those teachings of JS officially promulgated and approved by the Church, and b) Blake&#8217;s project is very different from the one for which JNS longs.</p>
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		<title>By: Christopher</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2007/12/16/why-dont-we-trust-joseph-smith/#comment-102723</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Christopher]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Dec 2007 00:38:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Nor does it prove that one is not free to, Hellmut.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nor does it prove that one is not free to, Hellmut.</p>
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		<title>By: Hellmut</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2007/12/16/why-dont-we-trust-joseph-smith/#comment-102721</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Hellmut]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Dec 2007 00:15:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;The church doesn’t seem to have “put the breaks on” Blake Ostler’s work on Mormon theology (or Tom Alexander’s for that matter), nor on Faulring and Marquardt’s research on JS’s journals and revelations.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Sue has been hit by a bus.
Peter did not get hit by a bus.
Therefore busses do not hit people.

That&#039;s a non-sequitur argument.  Some people get shut down.  The fact that others do not, does not prove that one is free to research Joseph Smith.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>The church doesn’t seem to have “put the breaks on” Blake Ostler’s work on Mormon theology (or Tom Alexander’s for that matter), nor on Faulring and Marquardt’s research on JS’s journals and revelations.</p></blockquote>
<p>Sue has been hit by a bus.<br />
Peter did not get hit by a bus.<br />
Therefore busses do not hit people.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s a non-sequitur argument.  Some people get shut down.  The fact that others do not, does not prove that one is free to research Joseph Smith.</p>
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		<title>By: Hellmut</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2007/12/16/why-dont-we-trust-joseph-smith/#comment-102719</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Hellmut]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Dec 2007 00:09:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;But control is a key, driving concern.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
The harder you try to be in control, the less you are.  No doubt, the Brethren are in a difficult situation but they are not making things easier for themselves and others.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>But control is a key, driving concern.</p></blockquote>
<p>The harder you try to be in control, the less you are.  No doubt, the Brethren are in a difficult situation but they are not making things easier for themselves and others.</p>
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