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	<title>Comments on: Sacrament meeting talks: form and structure</title>
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		<title>By: JonD</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2008/01/16/sacrament-meeting-talks-form-and-structure/#comment-92505</link>
		<dc:creator>JonD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Mar 2008 00:24:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some great comments about talk prep.  Perhaps you could give some suggestions on how to prepare to express your testimony on Fast Sunday.  Yes, I feel it is possible to do that while contemplating bearing your testimony during the passing of the sacrament. Getting up there and babbling about some relative that has serious drug problems, or how proud you are about your wife/husband and family members, or you are sorry if you have offended anyone, or your kid has been removed from your custody, or ...

I understand you should express love and appreciation for spouse and children in private, not from the pulpit.  Also, the spray method of asking for forgiveness doesn&#039;t cut it.  Again, do that in private with the person you likely know you offended.

just my thoughts

Jon</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some great comments about talk prep.  Perhaps you could give some suggestions on how to prepare to express your testimony on Fast Sunday.  Yes, I feel it is possible to do that while contemplating bearing your testimony during the passing of the sacrament. Getting up there and babbling about some relative that has serious drug problems, or how proud you are about your wife/husband and family members, or you are sorry if you have offended anyone, or your kid has been removed from your custody, or &#8230;</p>
<p>I understand you should express love and appreciation for spouse and children in private, not from the pulpit.  Also, the spray method of asking for forgiveness doesn&#8217;t cut it.  Again, do that in private with the person you likely know you offended.</p>
<p>just my thoughts</p>
<p>Jon</p>
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		<title>By: Kim</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2008/01/16/sacrament-meeting-talks-form-and-structure/#comment-92504</link>
		<dc:creator>Kim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jan 2008 17:39:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have been preparing a talk for today this week and have found this post and discussion incredibly helpful. Our Primary presidency is speaking and I also forwarded this link to the others. We all agreed that this was priceless information. Funny, but even though it annoys me when people open by disclaiming their entire talk, I probably would have done it myself if I hadn&#039;t read this thread! Instead, today I&#039;m starting with a story that happened in our Primary that really emphasizes our speaking topic. Thank you so much for posting your ideas and comments! I&#039;m keeping my fingers crossed that I make it through today!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been preparing a talk for today this week and have found this post and discussion incredibly helpful. Our Primary presidency is speaking and I also forwarded this link to the others. We all agreed that this was priceless information. Funny, but even though it annoys me when people open by disclaiming their entire talk, I probably would have done it myself if I hadn&#8217;t read this thread! Instead, today I&#8217;m starting with a story that happened in our Primary that really emphasizes our speaking topic. Thank you so much for posting your ideas and comments! I&#8217;m keeping my fingers crossed that I make it through today!</p>
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		<title>By: Sarah</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2008/01/16/sacrament-meeting-talks-form-and-structure/#comment-92503</link>
		<dc:creator>Sarah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jan 2008 06:50:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t generally cite my scriptures (especially if they&#039;re pretty well known,) but I do say &quot;so and so said&quot; with my regular quotes.  This of course is mostly a normative rather than descriptive statement: though I won&#039;t say it on the stand should I be called upon to speak, I have in fact *never* been asked to give a talk in Sacrament meeting. But that&#039;s how I did the baptismal talk I did today, and how I do my twice-yearly YSA FHE devotional talks.  I&#039;m trying to take notes, in case the worst happens.

Some of these pieces of advice (that everyone in the thread has been giving) are going to get thrown out at the last minute, though.  I *can&#039;t* talk if someone asks me to speak last minute: I suspect I may have been skipped over for talking in Sacrament because I flat-out refused to give the opening prayer one day.  I really, truly, freeze up if I don&#039;t have time to prepare, and I have to have it written out, period -- if the Spirit has been telling me to &#039;wing it,&#039; I&#039;m afraid the abject terror has been too loud for me to hear it.

I&#039;m also pretty sure that if I tried looking up scriptures or telling a joke that I&#039;d rip the paper or accidentally say something blasphemous.  For the last ten years I&#039;ve been working on the &quot;make eye contact&quot; thing: practicing on my CTR-8s has helped (yes, I get nervous making presentations for second-graders, and moreover ones that I see every single week.)  Once I have that mastered, I plan to go back to working on &quot;go slow enough for people to hear you,&quot; as I think I blew that today, and I also nearly called Jesus Christ the son of the eight-year-old getting baptized.  Sigh.

In any case, I  hope that your fireside will have a presentation for the folks who collapse into a pile of weepy despair at the mere thought of being asked to speak, and who don&#039;t recover until two to three days after the event.  I&#039;m actually still twitching from today, and I only just recovered from my December Sharing Time anxiety.  ^_^</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t generally cite my scriptures (especially if they&#8217;re pretty well known,) but I do say &#8220;so and so said&#8221; with my regular quotes.  This of course is mostly a normative rather than descriptive statement: though I won&#8217;t say it on the stand should I be called upon to speak, I have in fact *never* been asked to give a talk in Sacrament meeting. But that&#8217;s how I did the baptismal talk I did today, and how I do my twice-yearly YSA FHE devotional talks.  I&#8217;m trying to take notes, in case the worst happens.</p>
<p>Some of these pieces of advice (that everyone in the thread has been giving) are going to get thrown out at the last minute, though.  I *can&#8217;t* talk if someone asks me to speak last minute: I suspect I may have been skipped over for talking in Sacrament because I flat-out refused to give the opening prayer one day.  I really, truly, freeze up if I don&#8217;t have time to prepare, and I have to have it written out, period &#8212; if the Spirit has been telling me to &#8216;wing it,&#8217; I&#8217;m afraid the abject terror has been too loud for me to hear it.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m also pretty sure that if I tried looking up scriptures or telling a joke that I&#8217;d rip the paper or accidentally say something blasphemous.  For the last ten years I&#8217;ve been working on the &#8220;make eye contact&#8221; thing: practicing on my CTR-8s has helped (yes, I get nervous making presentations for second-graders, and moreover ones that I see every single week.)  Once I have that mastered, I plan to go back to working on &#8220;go slow enough for people to hear you,&#8221; as I think I blew that today, and I also nearly called Jesus Christ the son of the eight-year-old getting baptized.  Sigh.</p>
<p>In any case, I  hope that your fireside will have a presentation for the folks who collapse into a pile of weepy despair at the mere thought of being asked to speak, and who don&#8217;t recover until two to three days after the event.  I&#8217;m actually still twitching from today, and I only just recovered from my December Sharing Time anxiety.  ^_^</p>
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		<title>By: Gideon Burton</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2008/01/16/sacrament-meeting-talks-form-and-structure/#comment-92502</link>
		<dc:creator>Gideon Burton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jan 2008 06:19:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You should look at Celeste Elain Witt&#039;s book devoted to the topic, Amen: Speaking in Church with Purpose &amp; Peace (Provo, Utah: Perihelion Press, 2005). Its many short chapters hit on both practical and spiritual angles. Elain teaches public speaking at BYU and has done a great job thinking this through.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You should look at Celeste Elain Witt&#8217;s book devoted to the topic, Amen: Speaking in Church with Purpose &amp; Peace (Provo, Utah: Perihelion Press, 2005). Its many short chapters hit on both practical and spiritual angles. Elain teaches public speaking at BYU and has done a great job thinking this through.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen M (Ethesis)</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2008/01/16/sacrament-meeting-talks-form-and-structure/#comment-92501</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephen M (Ethesis)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jan 2008 19:23:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;- When it was that you got asked to speak.
- When it was that you wrote your talk.
- What happened to you this week.
- Any quotes from a General Conference talk longer than a paragraph.&lt;/i&gt;

Nicely said.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>- When it was that you got asked to speak.<br />
- When it was that you wrote your talk.<br />
- What happened to you this week.<br />
- Any quotes from a General Conference talk longer than a paragraph.</i></p>
<p>Nicely said.</p>
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		<title>By: Bobbi</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2008/01/16/sacrament-meeting-talks-form-and-structure/#comment-92500</link>
		<dc:creator>Bobbi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jan 2008 18:01:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am scheduled to give a talk next Sunday, and these comments have been incredibly helpful.  I think a fireside on giving talks should be done in every ward twice a year!  Thank you all for your comments. I am of the prepare, read, time and thing wing it crowd.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am scheduled to give a talk next Sunday, and these comments have been incredibly helpful.  I think a fireside on giving talks should be done in every ward twice a year!  Thank you all for your comments. I am of the prepare, read, time and thing wing it crowd.</p>
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		<title>By: a random John</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2008/01/16/sacrament-meeting-talks-form-and-structure/#comment-92499</link>
		<dc:creator>a random John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jan 2008 04:23:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Things I don&#039;t want to hear in a sacrament meeting talk:

- When it was that you got asked to speak.
- When it was that you wrote your talk.
- What happened to you this week.
- Any quotes from a General Conference talk longer than a paragraph.


I&#039;d make a list of what I hear nearly every week but that would be redundant.

I think having a fireside on how to give better talks is a great idea.  Many of us could us the help.  If everyone is going to be asked to speak then everybody should get some minimal training.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Things I don&#8217;t want to hear in a sacrament meeting talk:</p>
<p>- When it was that you got asked to speak.<br />
- When it was that you wrote your talk.<br />
- What happened to you this week.<br />
- Any quotes from a General Conference talk longer than a paragraph.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d make a list of what I hear nearly every week but that would be redundant.</p>
<p>I think having a fireside on how to give better talks is a great idea.  Many of us could us the help.  If everyone is going to be asked to speak then everybody should get some minimal training.</p>
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		<title>By: Bro. Jones</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2008/01/16/sacrament-meeting-talks-form-and-structure/#comment-92498</link>
		<dc:creator>Bro. Jones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jan 2008 16:48:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Question: how does one determine if a joke is &quot;lame&quot; or not?   We often think ourselves funny, but the people listening may disagree.  Short of waiting for the sound of crickets after dropping a particularly bad joke in a talk, how should one self-check one&#039;s humor--particularly since we&#039;re dealing with a worship/sacred context here?

I will add, though, that I recently heard a talk where the speaker introduced himself with a wonderful joke about &lt;em&gt;plural marriage &lt;/em&gt; of all things, and it was both a great joke and a great talk.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Question: how does one determine if a joke is &#8220;lame&#8221; or not?   We often think ourselves funny, but the people listening may disagree.  Short of waiting for the sound of crickets after dropping a particularly bad joke in a talk, how should one self-check one&#8217;s humor&#8211;particularly since we&#8217;re dealing with a worship/sacred context here?</p>
<p>I will add, though, that I recently heard a talk where the speaker introduced himself with a wonderful joke about <em>plural marriage </em> of all things, and it was both a great joke and a great talk.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter LLC</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2008/01/16/sacrament-meeting-talks-form-and-structure/#comment-92497</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter LLC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2008 12:28:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Generally I think apologies given as an introductions are lame, but mostly because they are poorly executed.

However, let us not forget that expressions of humility or incapacity as the result of a lack of preparation or sinfulness, weakness, etc. have a long tradition, particularly in a religious context, and are a rhetorical skill like any other that can be used to good effect.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Generally I think apologies given as an introductions are lame, but mostly because they are poorly executed.</p>
<p>However, let us not forget that expressions of humility or incapacity as the result of a lack of preparation or sinfulness, weakness, etc. have a long tradition, particularly in a religious context, and are a rhetorical skill like any other that can be used to good effect.</p>
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		<title>By: Copedi</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2008/01/16/sacrament-meeting-talks-form-and-structure/#comment-92496</link>
		<dc:creator>Copedi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2008 06:43:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Things along this line have already been mentioned, but it bears repeating: Don&#039;t start out a talk by saying how much you hate giving talks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Things along this line have already been mentioned, but it bears repeating: Don&#8217;t start out a talk by saying how much you hate giving talks.</p>
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