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		<title>By: Kristine</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2008/01/21/grrrrrrrr/#comment-75705</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2008 22:02:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[my2cents--we&#039;ve had ample discussion of President Beck&#039;s talk around here--you may want to check the archives for October.

The question of direct or indirect exercise of power and influence is thorny, and probably not usefully discussed at the bottom of a 200+ comment thread, so I&#039;m going to close the comments at this point.  Don&#039;t worry, if you wait ten minutes, there&#039;s sure to be another chance to spout off about women&#039;s roles somewhere in the bloggernacle.

But, since I&#039;m the boss around here, I&#039;m going to wield my power to have the last word on the subject of women&#039;s power:  last week, a discussion of some arcane baseball rule came up at our dinner table.  I explained the rule, gave three instances in which it had been invoked recently, and detailed the history of the rule&#039;s adoption.  My 10-year-old said, &quot;well, I&#039;m going to ask Dad.&quot;  I asked why, since we&#039;re very clear that I&#039;m the freakish baseball fan of the family.  His response was &quot;well, Dad was an umpire once [in Little League, 30 years ago].  He has a uniform.&quot;  You can have all the spiritual, moral, and intellectual power you want, but institutional power still matters.

The End.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>my2cents&#8211;we&#8217;ve had ample discussion of President Beck&#8217;s talk around here&#8211;you may want to check the archives for October.</p>
<p>The question of direct or indirect exercise of power and influence is thorny, and probably not usefully discussed at the bottom of a 200+ comment thread, so I&#8217;m going to close the comments at this point.  Don&#8217;t worry, if you wait ten minutes, there&#8217;s sure to be another chance to spout off about women&#8217;s roles somewhere in the bloggernacle.</p>
<p>But, since I&#8217;m the boss around here, I&#8217;m going to wield my power to have the last word on the subject of women&#8217;s power:  last week, a discussion of some arcane baseball rule came up at our dinner table.  I explained the rule, gave three instances in which it had been invoked recently, and detailed the history of the rule&#8217;s adoption.  My 10-year-old said, &#8220;well, I&#8217;m going to ask Dad.&#8221;  I asked why, since we&#8217;re very clear that I&#8217;m the freakish baseball fan of the family.  His response was &#8220;well, Dad was an umpire once [in Little League, 30 years ago].  He has a uniform.&#8221;  You can have all the spiritual, moral, and intellectual power you want, but institutional power still matters.</p>
<p>The End.</p>
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		<title>By: my2cents</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2008/01/21/grrrrrrrr/#comment-75704</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2008 21:26:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I know that some had trouble with it, and perhaps it is easy for a man to say, but I liked Sister Beck&#039;s talk from conference Mothers That Know:

&lt;blockquote&gt;There is eternal influence and power in motherhood.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

She proceeds to give multiple ways in which mothers can have tremendous power, and that is by teaching, working with, nurturing their children, and by preparing them to make and keep covenants.

Admittedly this is not what some women would choose, but this is God&#039;s way.  And certainly there is much that women can and do contribute outside of the home, but given the tremendous power and influence that mothers have within the home, why do some seem so determined to seek that power and influence elsewhere, even to the exclusion of the power and influence that lies easily within their reach?

Whether man or woman, our power and influence (the type that Heavenly Father wishes us to develop) is limited by our own righteousness and desire to seek and do God&#039;s will.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know that some had trouble with it, and perhaps it is easy for a man to say, but I liked Sister Beck&#8217;s talk from conference Mothers That Know:</p>
<blockquote><p>There is eternal influence and power in motherhood.</p></blockquote>
<p>She proceeds to give multiple ways in which mothers can have tremendous power, and that is by teaching, working with, nurturing their children, and by preparing them to make and keep covenants.</p>
<p>Admittedly this is not what some women would choose, but this is God&#8217;s way.  And certainly there is much that women can and do contribute outside of the home, but given the tremendous power and influence that mothers have within the home, why do some seem so determined to seek that power and influence elsewhere, even to the exclusion of the power and influence that lies easily within their reach?</p>
<p>Whether man or woman, our power and influence (the type that Heavenly Father wishes us to develop) is limited by our own righteousness and desire to seek and do God&#8217;s will.</p>
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		<title>By: Kristine</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2008/01/21/grrrrrrrr/#comment-75703</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2008 20:01:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Steve, you&#039;re right that it&#039;s important to move past anger to constructive critique and work, but often that can&#039;t happen until the anger is authentically expressed and sympathetically responded to.  In some ways, the church is terribly sexist (as are many other valuable organizations worth belonging to), and saying so is not remotely the same as &quot;treat[ing] the church as irretrievable dross.&quot;  People who don&#039;t care tend to walk away without a second glance--it&#039;s the people who care a lot who bother to stick around and try to articulate the problems as a first step towards fixing them.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve, you&#8217;re right that it&#8217;s important to move past anger to constructive critique and work, but often that can&#8217;t happen until the anger is authentically expressed and sympathetically responded to.  In some ways, the church is terribly sexist (as are many other valuable organizations worth belonging to), and saying so is not remotely the same as &#8220;treat[ing] the church as irretrievable dross.&#8221;  People who don&#8217;t care tend to walk away without a second glance&#8211;it&#8217;s the people who care a lot who bother to stick around and try to articulate the problems as a first step towards fixing them.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Evans</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2008/01/21/grrrrrrrr/#comment-75702</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Steve Evans]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2008 18:50:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Kristine, you&#039;re right to expect more from me, of course.  Perhaps I have been hearing too much lately of the kind of simplistic criticisms of sexism that seem utterly ineffective in terms of moving the ball forward for women.  It&#039;s one thing to express frustration in ways that can promote change; it&#039;s another to treat the church as irretrievable dross.  I believe that regardless of its flaws, this church is still true and worth working with from within rather than sniping at from without.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kristine, you&#8217;re right to expect more from me, of course.  Perhaps I have been hearing too much lately of the kind of simplistic criticisms of sexism that seem utterly ineffective in terms of moving the ball forward for women.  It&#8217;s one thing to express frustration in ways that can promote change; it&#8217;s another to treat the church as irretrievable dross.  I believe that regardless of its flaws, this church is still true and worth working with from within rather than sniping at from without.</p>
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		<title>By: Kristine</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2008/01/21/grrrrrrrr/#comment-75701</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kristine]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2008 18:45:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Steve, I expect more from you--it&#039;s exactly that sort of response that makes women who feel unfairly treated in the church feel that Mormon men cannot even hear them, let alone work together with them to change the things that need changing.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve, I expect more from you&#8211;it&#8217;s exactly that sort of response that makes women who feel unfairly treated in the church feel that Mormon men cannot even hear them, let alone work together with them to change the things that need changing.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Evans</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2008/01/21/grrrrrrrr/#comment-75700</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Steve Evans]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2008 17:18:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[chimera, what do you want people to say?  To agree with you that the Church is awful and sexist?  To award you power, acceptance and validation?  That&#039;s probably not going to happen here.  This is not a forum for venting complaints about the Church.  If all our religion is to you is a bunch of sexist complaints, no wonder you feel in deep, deep trouble.  With your experience as an RS president, I would have hoped there&#039;d be more to your churchgoing experience than repressive sexism.  If not... then I wish you luck in your quest to find an equal voice in a church, &quot;true or not.&quot;  As for me, I&#039;ll stick with the true one, thanks.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>chimera, what do you want people to say?  To agree with you that the Church is awful and sexist?  To award you power, acceptance and validation?  That&#8217;s probably not going to happen here.  This is not a forum for venting complaints about the Church.  If all our religion is to you is a bunch of sexist complaints, no wonder you feel in deep, deep trouble.  With your experience as an RS president, I would have hoped there&#8217;d be more to your churchgoing experience than repressive sexism.  If not&#8230; then I wish you luck in your quest to find an equal voice in a church, &#8220;true or not.&#8221;  As for me, I&#8217;ll stick with the true one, thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: chimera</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2008/01/21/grrrrrrrr/#comment-75699</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[chimera]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2008 15:03:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If the temple is the pinnacle of female power in this church - we females are in deep, deep trouble.  Wow, it is amazing how we accept so much discrimination and unrighteous dominion without even thinking about it.  I find more power, acceptance and validation as a contributing human being in one day at the office, than I have found in my entire life in the church.  Just finished a stint as RS president too.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the temple is the pinnacle of female power in this church &#8211; we females are in deep, deep trouble.  Wow, it is amazing how we accept so much discrimination and unrighteous dominion without even thinking about it.  I find more power, acceptance and validation as a contributing human being in one day at the office, than I have found in my entire life in the church.  Just finished a stint as RS president too.</p>
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		<title>By: Tanya Sue</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2008/01/21/grrrrrrrr/#comment-75698</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tanya Sue]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2008 12:38:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Chimera-I am totally with you. I can&#039;t handle the temple because I feel it is sexist as well. Not all of it, just parts-but enough parts that I am not ok with it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chimera-I am totally with you. I can&#8217;t handle the temple because I feel it is sexist as well. Not all of it, just parts-but enough parts that I am not ok with it.</p>
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		<title>By: JM</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2008/01/21/grrrrrrrr/#comment-75697</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[JM]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2008 06:40:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;d like to speak up for the third gender - and I will, as soon as I discover it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d like to speak up for the third gender &#8211; and I will, as soon as I discover it.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Evans</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2008/01/21/grrrrrrrr/#comment-75696</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Steve Evans]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2008 06:13:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Word up, Mi.  In many ways it is a pinnacle of female power in this church.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Word up, Mi.  In many ways it is a pinnacle of female power in this church.</p>
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