Comments on: Presidents and Prophets http://bycommonconsent.com/2008/01/29/presidents-and-prophets/ A Mormon Blog Mon, 13 Feb 2012 20:38:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.com/ By: Jonovitch http://bycommonconsent.com/2008/01/29/presidents-and-prophets/#comment-57218 Thu, 31 Jan 2008 23:45:35 +0000 http://www.bycommonconsent.com/2008/01/presidents-and-prophets/#comment-57218 California (1), I remember listening to Pres. Hinckley’s talk in Oct 2001 and perking up when he said “fullfilled” twice in the space of a few seconds.

I had forgotten about that moment, but I remember thinking how remarkable that was for a prophet to state so plainly that two prophecies had been fulfilled. Wow. I don’t think I’ve heard anything like it in Conference before or since.

Jon

]]> By: Ray http://bycommonconsent.com/2008/01/29/presidents-and-prophets/#comment-57217 Wed, 30 Jan 2008 21:15:31 +0000 http://www.bycommonconsent.com/2008/01/presidents-and-prophets/#comment-57217 Since there is no revelation governing the process, what has been shared is the *tradition* that always has been followed thus far. What the 12 (14) “would do” or “might do” in exceptional situations is purely speculation.

]]> By: rtr http://bycommonconsent.com/2008/01/29/presidents-and-prophets/#comment-57216 Wed, 30 Jan 2008 17:59:23 +0000 http://www.bycommonconsent.com/2008/01/presidents-and-prophets/#comment-57216 In regards to #11 and #16 I recieved today from CES a revison to the Session to the Presidency. One word is highlighted that is missing from the lds.org document In #6 it reads “The new president chooses two counselors normally from among the Quorum of the Twelve and the tree of them become the new First Presidency.

]]> By: anon http://bycommonconsent.com/2008/01/29/presidents-and-prophets/#comment-57215 Wed, 30 Jan 2008 17:19:04 +0000 http://www.bycommonconsent.com/2008/01/presidents-and-prophets/#comment-57215 #11, this is part of a new Newsroom article on the Church website

http://www.newsroom.lds.org/ldsnewsroom/eng/news-releases-stories/succession-in-the-presidency-of-the-church-of-jesus-christ-of-latter-day-saints

]]> By: John Taber http://bycommonconsent.com/2008/01/29/presidents-and-prophets/#comment-57214 Wed, 30 Jan 2008 16:44:12 +0000 http://www.bycommonconsent.com/2008/01/presidents-and-prophets/#comment-57214 My guess is, if he is physically incapable of naming counselors, they would wait.

]]> By: Bob H http://bycommonconsent.com/2008/01/29/presidents-and-prophets/#comment-57213 Wed, 30 Jan 2008 16:25:38 +0000 http://www.bycommonconsent.com/2008/01/presidents-and-prophets/#comment-57213 Just wondering, if the senior member was really sick and incapacitated when the president died, would the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles wait ot reorganize the first presidency. Should they wait for him to pass, before ordaining a new president?

]]> By: RonanJH http://bycommonconsent.com/2008/01/29/presidents-and-prophets/#comment-57212 Wed, 30 Jan 2008 13:04:06 +0000 http://www.bycommonconsent.com/2008/01/presidents-and-prophets/#comment-57212 California,
Prophetic, I guess.

]]> By: RonanJH http://bycommonconsent.com/2008/01/29/presidents-and-prophets/#comment-57211 Wed, 30 Jan 2008 12:59:36 +0000 http://www.bycommonconsent.com/2008/01/presidents-and-prophets/#comment-57211 gomez,
Stapley’s comment shows that #6 is not strictly true, or, better put, not always true.

]]> By: gomez http://bycommonconsent.com/2008/01/29/presidents-and-prophets/#comment-57210 Wed, 30 Jan 2008 12:36:30 +0000 http://www.bycommonconsent.com/2008/01/presidents-and-prophets/#comment-57210 I just received this from my stake president as official church policy (note item 3):

When the president of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints passes away, the following events take place:

1. The First Presidency is automatically dissolved.

2. The two counselors in the First Presidency revert to their places of seniority in the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles. Seniority is determined by the date on which a person was ordained to the Twelve, not by age.

3. The Quorum of the Twelve Apostles, now numbering 14 and headed by the senior apostle, assumes Church leadership.

4. The senior apostle presides at a meeting of the Quorum of the Twelve to consider two alternative propositions: i. Should the First Presidency be reorganized at this time? ii. Should the Church continue to function with the Quorum of the Twelve presiding?

5. After discussion, a formal motion is made and accepted by the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles.

6. If a motion to reorganize the First Presidency is passed, the Quorum of the Twelve unanimously selects the new president of the Church. The new president chooses two counselors from among the Quorum of the Twelve and the three of them become the new First Presidency. Throughout the history of the Church, the longest-serving apostle has always become the president of the Church when the First Presidency has been reorganized.

7. Following the reorganization of the First Presidency, the apostle who has served the second longest is sustained as the president of the Quorum of the Twelve. The only exception is when the second-longest-serving apostle has also been called into the First Presidency as a counselor, in which case the third-longest-serving apostle becomes acting president of the Twelve.

8. The president of the Quorum of the Twelve, along with the rest of the apostles, sets apart the new president of the Church through a formal laying on of hands.

]]> By: Norbert http://bycommonconsent.com/2008/01/29/presidents-and-prophets/#comment-57209 Wed, 30 Jan 2008 11:29:48 +0000 http://www.bycommonconsent.com/2008/01/presidents-and-prophets/#comment-57209 Great post. Footnote three is interesting; the responsiveness of church bureaucracy to the will of the President of the church and his prophetic utterances is an important issue.

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