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		<title>By: Katrina</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2008/02/20/adopting/#comment-90914</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Mar 2008 19:22:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have always wanted to adopt, but most of all I would love to help others adopt, since I am blessed with (so far) 2 beautiful little girls (not through adoption) and one on the way. I am working on a way to open an adoption fund so that anyone can afford to adopt. So yes I would pay into an adoption fund if I were able. Since I am not at this time I am able to raise money for adoption funds.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have always wanted to adopt, but most of all I would love to help others adopt, since I am blessed with (so far) 2 beautiful little girls (not through adoption) and one on the way. I am working on a way to open an adoption fund so that anyone can afford to adopt. So yes I would pay into an adoption fund if I were able. Since I am not at this time I am able to raise money for adoption funds.</p>
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		<title>By: JA Benson</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2008/02/20/adopting/#comment-90911</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[JA Benson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Mar 2008 21:52:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Melissa, I am sorry no. Please see my comment #43. Children&#039;s Hope International was a wonderful adotpion agency to work with. If you have any further questions email me at JoannaBenson at comcast dot net .]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Melissa, I am sorry no. Please see my comment #43. Children&#8217;s Hope International was a wonderful adotpion agency to work with. If you have any further questions email me at JoannaBenson at comcast dot net .</p>
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		<title>By: Melissa</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2008/02/20/adopting/#comment-90913</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Melissa]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Mar 2008 14:35:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hello
My husband and I are of the Christian faith but not members the LDS.  We want to adopt.  We have a good friend who is a member of LDS and he suggested that we seek information on adoption through the LDS adoption services.  Can we adopt through the LDS if we are not members?
Thank you]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello<br />
My husband and I are of the Christian faith but not members the LDS.  We want to adopt.  We have a good friend who is a member of LDS and he suggested that we seek information on adoption through the LDS adoption services.  Can we adopt through the LDS if we are not members?<br />
Thank you</p>
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		<title>By: JKS</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2008/02/20/adopting/#comment-90912</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Mar 2008 04:57:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I support LDSFS policy to let the birth mother choose the adoptive family.  She looks at the files, she can make requests, she can even meet them if she wants.
What might a teenager base her decision on?  She&#039;s a teenager.  But it is her child.
I do not think the &quot;attractiveness&quot; factor is a huge stumbling block.  I know many adoptive parents and the run the spectrum of looks.
Pregnant birth mothers sometimes look for someone like them, or someone like the birth father....in looks or in interests.
I was at the house of my friend who eventually adopted 3, and she got a call from her caseworker asking if she waterskiied!
My heart went out to this girl who probably loved waterskiing and was wanting her child to have family experiences similar to her own.  Another time her caseworker called to get height information on her extended family and adopted son, probably because the birth mom was tall (like me) and worried about her child being out of place.
One birth mom of a child they adopted said that the adopted father looked very much like the birth father.
If a birth mom was tormented by &quot;popular cheerleaders&quot; during junior high, you can bet she probably won&#039;t choose someone she thinks looks like a cheerleader!
Give these birth moms a break, they are young and possibly immature (imagining the baby in cute clothes but then again, so do some kinds of pregnant married moms), but they can also feel the spirit and I assume usually take the job of choosing adoptive parents as a gift that she is giving her child.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I support LDSFS policy to let the birth mother choose the adoptive family.  She looks at the files, she can make requests, she can even meet them if she wants.<br />
What might a teenager base her decision on?  She&#8217;s a teenager.  But it is her child.<br />
I do not think the &#8220;attractiveness&#8221; factor is a huge stumbling block.  I know many adoptive parents and the run the spectrum of looks.<br />
Pregnant birth mothers sometimes look for someone like them, or someone like the birth father&#8230;.in looks or in interests.<br />
I was at the house of my friend who eventually adopted 3, and she got a call from her caseworker asking if she waterskiied!<br />
My heart went out to this girl who probably loved waterskiing and was wanting her child to have family experiences similar to her own.  Another time her caseworker called to get height information on her extended family and adopted son, probably because the birth mom was tall (like me) and worried about her child being out of place.<br />
One birth mom of a child they adopted said that the adopted father looked very much like the birth father.<br />
If a birth mom was tormented by &#8220;popular cheerleaders&#8221; during junior high, you can bet she probably won&#8217;t choose someone she thinks looks like a cheerleader!<br />
Give these birth moms a break, they are young and possibly immature (imagining the baby in cute clothes but then again, so do some kinds of pregnant married moms), but they can also feel the spirit and I assume usually take the job of choosing adoptive parents as a gift that she is giving her child.</p>
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		<title>By: mormonmagmeister</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2008/02/20/adopting/#comment-90910</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Feb 2008 03:31:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thank you for this post. I know at least three families in my ward alone who have adopted recently, and it has indeed been a blessing in their lives. For a long time it was difficult for LDS Family Services to compete with other adoption agencies, but they do a wonderful job. I appreciate the links to recent articles on this topic in the Church magazines, including the &lt;em&gt;New Era.&lt;/em&gt; It&#039;s nice to see that there are some people on these Mormon blogs who think the magazines have an occasional relevant item.

By the way Naismith (#48), I saw &lt;em&gt;Juno,&lt;/em&gt; and I would say that the overall impression it leaves is that love, marriage, and parenthood are things to be taken seriously and not to be entered into by immature people (of any age). The title character is sympathetic, and audiences (and, it could be argued, our culture in general nowadays) are likely to agree with her decision not to have an abortion.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for this post. I know at least three families in my ward alone who have adopted recently, and it has indeed been a blessing in their lives. For a long time it was difficult for LDS Family Services to compete with other adoption agencies, but they do a wonderful job. I appreciate the links to recent articles on this topic in the Church magazines, including the <em>New Era.</em> It&#8217;s nice to see that there are some people on these Mormon blogs who think the magazines have an occasional relevant item.</p>
<p>By the way Naismith (#48), I saw <em>Juno,</em> and I would say that the overall impression it leaves is that love, marriage, and parenthood are things to be taken seriously and not to be entered into by immature people (of any age). The title character is sympathetic, and audiences (and, it could be argued, our culture in general nowadays) are likely to agree with her decision not to have an abortion.</p>
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		<title>By: canadian lds</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2008/02/20/adopting/#comment-90909</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[canadian lds]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2008 23:17:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[For whatever it&#039;s worth, I&#039;ll add my two cents&#039; worth.  My wife and I are in the process of adopting a child through LDSFS in Canada.  Up here the process is a little different that it appears to be in the USA as it is illegal to give the birthmother significant gifts (ie money, groceries, etc.) during or after her pregnancy.  Also, I don&#039;t think it&#039;s quite as expensive for us to adopt a child as it seems to be in the States.

I work at a law firm that handles some adoption files when go sideways.  In my experience, most often it is the birthfather that challenges the adoption.  Usually the birthfather is mad because he did not consent to the adoption (even though most birthfathers that I have dealt with take off when they find out the girl is pregnant).  Birthfathers seem to be quick to blame the adoption agency (including LDSFS)for the adoption.  My experience has been that in all cases the agencies have followed the law as set out in the individual province/state.

The media is often quick to blame LDSFS for a legislative decision that allows adoptions to happen without birthfather consent.  Afterall, it makes a great headline if you can accuse the LDS church of stealing babies.  If people don&#039;t like the legislature&#039;s decisions with respect to adoptions and how they are handled, they should take it up with the legislature and not blame adoption agencies like LDSFS.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For whatever it&#8217;s worth, I&#8217;ll add my two cents&#8217; worth.  My wife and I are in the process of adopting a child through LDSFS in Canada.  Up here the process is a little different that it appears to be in the USA as it is illegal to give the birthmother significant gifts (ie money, groceries, etc.) during or after her pregnancy.  Also, I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s quite as expensive for us to adopt a child as it seems to be in the States.</p>
<p>I work at a law firm that handles some adoption files when go sideways.  In my experience, most often it is the birthfather that challenges the adoption.  Usually the birthfather is mad because he did not consent to the adoption (even though most birthfathers that I have dealt with take off when they find out the girl is pregnant).  Birthfathers seem to be quick to blame the adoption agency (including LDSFS)for the adoption.  My experience has been that in all cases the agencies have followed the law as set out in the individual province/state.</p>
<p>The media is often quick to blame LDSFS for a legislative decision that allows adoptions to happen without birthfather consent.  Afterall, it makes a great headline if you can accuse the LDS church of stealing babies.  If people don&#8217;t like the legislature&#8217;s decisions with respect to adoptions and how they are handled, they should take it up with the legislature and not blame adoption agencies like LDSFS.</p>
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		<title>By: dagobert</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2008/02/20/adopting/#comment-90908</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[dagobert]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2008 22:56:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My wife and I have adopted two boys since 2005 one internationally and one through LDS Family Services. Our experience with each, though a whirlwind has been very positive. I don&#039;t know fore sure if LDSFS is subsidized by fast offerings specifically, but at an FSA conference I recall an official saying LDSFS is also receives support from several large donors. At any rate is is subsidized much like BYU is subsidized.

My experience is that LDS Family Services and Families Supporting Adoption are very pro open adoption. The majority of adoption literature out there supports open adoption and LDSFS and FSA have fallen in line at least since 2005 as formal policy, but ultimately leave it up to the birth parents. Our open adoption is somewhat flexible in that we negotiate and mutually agree to what type, level and frequency of contact we are comfortable with. So far no major complaints we are aware of.

Regarding birth father rights, it seems that most hiccups occur when a birth father has attempted to assert his rights, (which in many states must be done formally, as you are legally on notice of fathering a child if you have slept with the birthmom), doesn&#039;t perfect his rights, or is late in asserting his rights, and as Andrew pointed out, Courts are reluctant to terminate the rights, even if the birthfather hasn&#039;t properly asserted his rights.

I believe some of the problems occur not are not the fault of the LDSFS but the birthmother. LDSFS can&#039;t contact the birthfather if the birthmother doesn&#039;t disclose the name or contact info of the birthfather. Usually it seems that the birthfather wasn&#039;t interested in the pregnancy or didn&#039;t know about the pregnancy or an adoption plan, and the birthmother wants to keep it that way. Other times the paternal grandparents want to raise the grandchild, in spite of the birthfather&#039;s disinterest.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My wife and I have adopted two boys since 2005 one internationally and one through LDS Family Services. Our experience with each, though a whirlwind has been very positive. I don&#8217;t know fore sure if LDSFS is subsidized by fast offerings specifically, but at an FSA conference I recall an official saying LDSFS is also receives support from several large donors. At any rate is is subsidized much like BYU is subsidized.</p>
<p>My experience is that LDS Family Services and Families Supporting Adoption are very pro open adoption. The majority of adoption literature out there supports open adoption and LDSFS and FSA have fallen in line at least since 2005 as formal policy, but ultimately leave it up to the birth parents. Our open adoption is somewhat flexible in that we negotiate and mutually agree to what type, level and frequency of contact we are comfortable with. So far no major complaints we are aware of.</p>
<p>Regarding birth father rights, it seems that most hiccups occur when a birth father has attempted to assert his rights, (which in many states must be done formally, as you are legally on notice of fathering a child if you have slept with the birthmom), doesn&#8217;t perfect his rights, or is late in asserting his rights, and as Andrew pointed out, Courts are reluctant to terminate the rights, even if the birthfather hasn&#8217;t properly asserted his rights.</p>
<p>I believe some of the problems occur not are not the fault of the LDSFS but the birthmother. LDSFS can&#8217;t contact the birthfather if the birthmother doesn&#8217;t disclose the name or contact info of the birthfather. Usually it seems that the birthfather wasn&#8217;t interested in the pregnancy or didn&#8217;t know about the pregnancy or an adoption plan, and the birthmother wants to keep it that way. Other times the paternal grandparents want to raise the grandchild, in spite of the birthfather&#8217;s disinterest.</p>
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		<title>By: I Love Adoption</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2008/02/20/adopting/#comment-90907</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[I Love Adoption]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2008 22:52:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This has been an interesting thread to read through.  Rather than add a lot of personal experiences to this, I&#039;d just like to clarify a few points.  Adoptions are indeed &quot;subsidized&quot; by the Church in that there is a sliding scale which falls well below the actual cost of adoption.  However, the funding given to LDS Family Services from the Church is in the form of a grant, and does not come from fast offerings.  LDS Family Services headquarters, I believe, will accept direct donations.  LDSFS workers are indeed few and very busy, but they are a wonderful group who do the best they can with limited resources.  Open, closed, and confidential adoptions are all available.  Birth mothers do choose the family based on criteria they have, and workers cannot in good conscience sway them in any direction, other than to educate them on what might be other important things to look for.  Adoption is truly the hand of God manifest in so many lives.  I&#039;m glad there is a forum like this for a discussion of this topic.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This has been an interesting thread to read through.  Rather than add a lot of personal experiences to this, I&#8217;d just like to clarify a few points.  Adoptions are indeed &#8220;subsidized&#8221; by the Church in that there is a sliding scale which falls well below the actual cost of adoption.  However, the funding given to LDS Family Services from the Church is in the form of a grant, and does not come from fast offerings.  LDS Family Services headquarters, I believe, will accept direct donations.  LDSFS workers are indeed few and very busy, but they are a wonderful group who do the best they can with limited resources.  Open, closed, and confidential adoptions are all available.  Birth mothers do choose the family based on criteria they have, and workers cannot in good conscience sway them in any direction, other than to educate them on what might be other important things to look for.  Adoption is truly the hand of God manifest in so many lives.  I&#8217;m glad there is a forum like this for a discussion of this topic.</p>
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		<title>By: R. Marie</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2008/02/20/adopting/#comment-90906</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[R. Marie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2008 22:21:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[JA Benson,

You&#039;re right; it isn&#039;t impossible for these women to be successful--but every unwed mother who chooses single parenthood thinks she will be a success story, and unfortunately, all too often it doesn&#039;t turn out that way. Plus, in the meantime the child doesn&#039;t have the benefit of the sealing ordinance and the spiritual blessings that are associated with it.

I&#039;m not familiar with the 5-year policy you mention. Currently LDSFS birth moms and adoptive parents work out their own arrangements that work for their individual situations.

You&#039;re right about the emotional struggles that grandparents go through. It&#039;s got to be a heart-wrenching situation regardless of the decision.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JA Benson,</p>
<p>You&#8217;re right; it isn&#8217;t impossible for these women to be successful&#8211;but every unwed mother who chooses single parenthood thinks she will be a success story, and unfortunately, all too often it doesn&#8217;t turn out that way. Plus, in the meantime the child doesn&#8217;t have the benefit of the sealing ordinance and the spiritual blessings that are associated with it.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not familiar with the 5-year policy you mention. Currently LDSFS birth moms and adoptive parents work out their own arrangements that work for their individual situations.</p>
<p>You&#8217;re right about the emotional struggles that grandparents go through. It&#8217;s got to be a heart-wrenching situation regardless of the decision.</p>
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		<title>By: JA Benson</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2008/02/20/adopting/#comment-90905</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[JA Benson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2008 19:21:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[#55 R. marie,
On a sensible, intellectual level you are completely right. As an adoptive parents I know the joy of adoption.  Like Ciero we are thinking with our emotions. When I am a grandmother; I cannot image how hard it would be to give to another the baby of my baby. That pain needs to be acknowledged.  I admire those who are brave in making that choice. However I am afaraid that  I am not so brave.
Never would I pressure my daughter either way. She would be given the choice and I would support her in the decision. If she gave up her child for adoption I would support her with a silent broken heart.  If she did not want to give up her child I would never shame or pressure her to; that only leads to more problems.

 The single mothers you are referencing are young, poor, with substance abuse/mental problems. The women I have known who were able to overcome the stigma of single motherhood were active LDS women with support who went on to be successful in their life.  From what I have seen it is not impossible.

Also unless things have drastically changed in the last 5 years; after the required few years of sending the yearly letter with the pictures is up; the adoptive family is no longer obligated to continue to do so.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#55 R. marie,<br />
On a sensible, intellectual level you are completely right. As an adoptive parents I know the joy of adoption.  Like Ciero we are thinking with our emotions. When I am a grandmother; I cannot image how hard it would be to give to another the baby of my baby. That pain needs to be acknowledged.  I admire those who are brave in making that choice. However I am afaraid that  I am not so brave.<br />
Never would I pressure my daughter either way. She would be given the choice and I would support her in the decision. If she gave up her child for adoption I would support her with a silent broken heart.  If she did not want to give up her child I would never shame or pressure her to; that only leads to more problems.</p>
<p> The single mothers you are referencing are young, poor, with substance abuse/mental problems. The women I have known who were able to overcome the stigma of single motherhood were active LDS women with support who went on to be successful in their life.  From what I have seen it is not impossible.</p>
<p>Also unless things have drastically changed in the last 5 years; after the required few years of sending the yearly letter with the pictures is up; the adoptive family is no longer obligated to continue to do so.</p>
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