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		<title>By: queuno</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2008/02/24/wearing-the-badge/#comment-81617</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2008 04:27:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[ArielW - There are *so* many missionary opportunities that aren&#039;t proselyting ones.  They have missionaries working fulltime as welfare and employment counselors -- imagine helping people rewrite resumes and practice interviewing skills all day!  Or serving in the temple!  Even the so-called proselyting missions for adults are really just excuses now to go to a foreign country and go help small branches with retention or paperwork (teach them how to be home teachers and clerks).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ArielW &#8211; There are *so* many missionary opportunities that aren&#8217;t proselyting ones.  They have missionaries working fulltime as welfare and employment counselors &#8212; imagine helping people rewrite resumes and practice interviewing skills all day!  Or serving in the temple!  Even the so-called proselyting missions for adults are really just excuses now to go to a foreign country and go help small branches with retention or paperwork (teach them how to be home teachers and clerks).</p>
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		<title>By: Kevinf</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2008/02/24/wearing-the-badge/#comment-81616</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2008 19:05:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Great story, Mark.  We had the missionaries over last night to our house, fed them some homemade chocolate cake, and talked about &quot;chruch tours&quot; that they are using as a proselytizing tool here, and how we can help.

But it was a different conversation with an elder in one of the other wards in our stake that I was speaking with yesterday that had the most impact.  I did not go on a mission as a young man, mostly due to fear and a sense of inadequacy, and got married in the temple while I was 20, so missed out on the opportunity.  More and more, I see how I have missed it.  But this Elder yesterday, as we talked about member missionary work, said something profound.  He said that he finally realized, after more than a year on his mission, that what he&#039;s doing now is just a launching pad for the rest of his life.  To him, it doesn&#039;t matter how many folks he baptizes now, as much as how effective he is as a member missionary the rest of his life.  After that, I realized there was even more I had missed out on by not going on a mission.

My wife and I are counting down the years to when we can go on a mission together, which is at 10 years now.  Seriously, the waiting is killing me.  I&#039;d love to be out there with her right now.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great story, Mark.  We had the missionaries over last night to our house, fed them some homemade chocolate cake, and talked about &#8220;chruch tours&#8221; that they are using as a proselytizing tool here, and how we can help.</p>
<p>But it was a different conversation with an elder in one of the other wards in our stake that I was speaking with yesterday that had the most impact.  I did not go on a mission as a young man, mostly due to fear and a sense of inadequacy, and got married in the temple while I was 20, so missed out on the opportunity.  More and more, I see how I have missed it.  But this Elder yesterday, as we talked about member missionary work, said something profound.  He said that he finally realized, after more than a year on his mission, that what he&#8217;s doing now is just a launching pad for the rest of his life.  To him, it doesn&#8217;t matter how many folks he baptizes now, as much as how effective he is as a member missionary the rest of his life.  After that, I realized there was even more I had missed out on by not going on a mission.</p>
<p>My wife and I are counting down the years to when we can go on a mission together, which is at 10 years now.  Seriously, the waiting is killing me.  I&#8217;d love to be out there with her right now.</p>
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		<title>By: RonanJH</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2008/02/24/wearing-the-badge/#comment-81615</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2008 19:00:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Pete,
As you and I know, Wien will soon beat such zeal out of them. (I hope they get moved to Sankt Poelten or Steyr. Wait, do we still have mishies in Steyr?) Plus, you have a gentile wife. They should be camped at your house, pestering her night and day...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pete,<br />
As you and I know, Wien will soon beat such zeal out of them. (I hope they get moved to Sankt Poelten or Steyr. Wait, do we still have mishies in Steyr?) Plus, you have a gentile wife. They should be camped at your house, pestering her night and day&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Peter LLC</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2008/02/24/wearing-the-badge/#comment-81614</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Peter LLC]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2008 18:52:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I saw two missionaries on the way home from work tonight. I let them be as I figured they have better things to do than preach to the choir. They told me once they couldn&#039;t come over for dinner in the evening since that&#039;s &quot;Prime Time,&quot; so I know they&#039;re already above and beyond any level of missionary zeal I ever demonstrated.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I saw two missionaries on the way home from work tonight. I let them be as I figured they have better things to do than preach to the choir. They told me once they couldn&#8217;t come over for dinner in the evening since that&#8217;s &#8220;Prime Time,&#8221; so I know they&#8217;re already above and beyond any level of missionary zeal I ever demonstrated.</p>
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		<title>By: ArielW</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2008/02/24/wearing-the-badge/#comment-81613</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ArielW]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2008 18:32:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[nice thoughts Darrell.  I&#039;ve considered a mission later in life (I&#039;m 32 now) and would do any type.  I don&#039;t think that the wife would like a proselyting one if we had to go tracting though.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>nice thoughts Darrell.  I&#8217;ve considered a mission later in life (I&#8217;m 32 now) and would do any type.  I don&#8217;t think that the wife would like a proselyting one if we had to go tracting though.</p>
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		<title>By: annegb</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2008/02/24/wearing-the-badge/#comment-81612</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2008 16:46:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[:) Lovely]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>:) Lovely</p>
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		<title>By: KenD</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2008/02/24/wearing-the-badge/#comment-81611</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2008 15:59:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Amen, Darrell.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amen, Darrell.</p>
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		<title>By: john f.</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2008/02/24/wearing-the-badge/#comment-81610</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[john f.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2008 12:55:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That was fun to read.  Thanks for sharing it.

One amazing thing about the work the missionaries do is that they&#039;re actually out and about and on task all day everyday.  Sure, they work very ineffectively at times and are underinformed about most things in the world but they are 19 to 21 year olds who, on their own initiative pretty much, go out and actually knock on doors and attend their appointments and find ways to teach people, all relatively autonomously.  One could almost argue that it&#039;s difficult to get that kind of autonomous productivity out of seasoned professionals in their fields. (Of course, the missionaries&#039; work ethic is prodded along by cheesy self-help type pep-talks at zone and mission conferences, but even that is somewhat remarkable given the nature of this volunteer effort -- that these volunteers are committed to trying to reinforce the will to work in each other so that the days are spent on the Lord&#039;s business, as they understand it.)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That was fun to read.  Thanks for sharing it.</p>
<p>One amazing thing about the work the missionaries do is that they&#8217;re actually out and about and on task all day everyday.  Sure, they work very ineffectively at times and are underinformed about most things in the world but they are 19 to 21 year olds who, on their own initiative pretty much, go out and actually knock on doors and attend their appointments and find ways to teach people, all relatively autonomously.  One could almost argue that it&#8217;s difficult to get that kind of autonomous productivity out of seasoned professionals in their fields. (Of course, the missionaries&#8217; work ethic is prodded along by cheesy self-help type pep-talks at zone and mission conferences, but even that is somewhat remarkable given the nature of this volunteer effort &#8212; that these volunteers are committed to trying to reinforce the will to work in each other so that the days are spent on the Lord&#8217;s business, as they understand it.)</p>
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		<title>By: Darrell</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2008/02/24/wearing-the-badge/#comment-81609</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Darrell]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2008 09:06:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The closest that I get to breaking the 10th commandment is when I sign a young missionary&#039;s  application papers.  And I tell them so.  I would almost give anything to be back out there doing what these wonderful kids do.  I would hope that I would do a better job than I did once long ago.  I would follow the rules more closely.  I would look around a little more.  I would enjoy where I was and who I had the privledge of meeting and teaching   I would love everyone more and let them know it.  I would simply feast on the experience because I would know that it doesn&#039;t last and is over sooner than I realize.  I would write positive things in my journal--not &quot;woe is me--make me want to puke&quot; things.

Most of all, I can&#039;t wait to do it again.  This time I will get to choose my own companion and I will be able to keep her while everyone around us is getting transferred.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The closest that I get to breaking the 10th commandment is when I sign a young missionary&#8217;s  application papers.  And I tell them so.  I would almost give anything to be back out there doing what these wonderful kids do.  I would hope that I would do a better job than I did once long ago.  I would follow the rules more closely.  I would look around a little more.  I would enjoy where I was and who I had the privledge of meeting and teaching   I would love everyone more and let them know it.  I would simply feast on the experience because I would know that it doesn&#8217;t last and is over sooner than I realize.  I would write positive things in my journal&#8211;not &#8220;woe is me&#8211;make me want to puke&#8221; things.</p>
<p>Most of all, I can&#8217;t wait to do it again.  This time I will get to choose my own companion and I will be able to keep her while everyone around us is getting transferred.</p>
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		<title>By: CW</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2008/02/24/wearing-the-badge/#comment-81608</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[CW]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2008 08:50:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A comment for those that feel like you may not have accomplished much on their mission. In 1955 Elder Able and McLaws tracted out my family in Seattle. They taught my parents and older siblings the discussions and after a number of months, when I was 1 year and 27 days old the Kingdom of God admitted my family into membership by baptism.

At that point Elder McLaws had gone home and Elder Rutherford had replaced him.

There have been more children born into our family, and grandchildren and great grandchildren, born and raised under the covenant. There are currently 4 full time missionaries serving, and 11 that have already served full time missions as a result of my family having been tracted out and taught the gospel.

There have been over 400 people taught the gospel and baptized by  members of my family or direct descendants (grandchildren, great grandchildren) of our family.

However Elder McLaws (the senior companion) went home before our family got baptized. He did not have one single baptism on his mission. We were never able to ascertain if  he knew our family joined the Church. Recently I tried to contact him to give him the thanks that he deserved and he had passed away some 2 years previously.

Can I express to all of you missionaries who felt like you may not have accomplished much, that I love and respect you as a compatriot of Elder McLaws and as an emissary of  the Lord. How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A comment for those that feel like you may not have accomplished much on their mission. In 1955 Elder Able and McLaws tracted out my family in Seattle. They taught my parents and older siblings the discussions and after a number of months, when I was 1 year and 27 days old the Kingdom of God admitted my family into membership by baptism.</p>
<p>At that point Elder McLaws had gone home and Elder Rutherford had replaced him.</p>
<p>There have been more children born into our family, and grandchildren and great grandchildren, born and raised under the covenant. There are currently 4 full time missionaries serving, and 11 that have already served full time missions as a result of my family having been tracted out and taught the gospel.</p>
<p>There have been over 400 people taught the gospel and baptized by  members of my family or direct descendants (grandchildren, great grandchildren) of our family.</p>
<p>However Elder McLaws (the senior companion) went home before our family got baptized. He did not have one single baptism on his mission. We were never able to ascertain if  he knew our family joined the Church. Recently I tried to contact him to give him the thanks that he deserved and he had passed away some 2 years previously.</p>
<p>Can I express to all of you missionaries who felt like you may not have accomplished much, that I love and respect you as a compatriot of Elder McLaws and as an emissary of  the Lord. How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!</p>
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