Comments on: Razing the Bar http://bycommonconsent.com/2008/02/26/razing-the-bar/ A Mormon Blog Thu, 16 Feb 2012 12:20:30 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.com/ By: Jack http://bycommonconsent.com/2008/02/26/razing-the-bar/#comment-81663 Fri, 29 Feb 2008 01:36:48 +0000 http://www.bycommonconsent.com/2008/02/razing-the-bar/#comment-81663 kristine N.,

Re: Your comment(#23)–that’s a good question. While stigma (or the lack thereof) may certainly play a part in shaping the purpose of drinking in a given culture, I think there are other variables that may complicate the question a bit. For instance, there may be quite a difference between the effects of alcohol consumption in Russia as compared with those of Italy–though both have far less stigma associated with drinking in their respective cultures than we do here in the U.S..

]]> By: Ronin http://bycommonconsent.com/2008/02/26/razing-the-bar/#comment-81662 Thu, 28 Feb 2008 01:43:10 +0000 http://www.bycommonconsent.com/2008/02/razing-the-bar/#comment-81662 As someone who believes in teh free-market,adn respects public-property, I cant in good conscience countenance Carry Nation’s actions.
Though, I am surprised that in those days some vigilante type, or an alcohol-smuggling gangster didnt shoot her.

]]> By: Adam Greenwood http://bycommonconsent.com/2008/02/26/razing-the-bar/#comment-81661 Wed, 27 Feb 2008 22:20:17 +0000 http://www.bycommonconsent.com/2008/02/razing-the-bar/#comment-81661 Fabulous post title.

]]> By: Adam Greenwood http://bycommonconsent.com/2008/02/26/razing-the-bar/#comment-81660 Wed, 27 Feb 2008 22:19:56 +0000 http://www.bycommonconsent.com/2008/02/razing-the-bar/#comment-81660 Carrie Nation was too much of a character to dislike. She can bust up my bar anytime.

]]> By: Sam B. http://bycommonconsent.com/2008/02/26/razing-the-bar/#comment-81659 Wed, 27 Feb 2008 22:05:31 +0000 http://www.bycommonconsent.com/2008/02/razing-the-bar/#comment-81659 David (36),
Although yours is certainly a popular idea about the purpose of law (in some circles, at least), it is not a foregone conclusion that law is solely for the protection of individuals. A compelling argument could be made that law is for the protection of society, of the sovereign, of the rich, of the poor, etc. Merely making the assertion, frankly, doesn’t make it so.

]]> By: John Mansfield http://bycommonconsent.com/2008/02/26/razing-the-bar/#comment-81658 Wed, 27 Feb 2008 22:01:16 +0000 http://www.bycommonconsent.com/2008/02/razing-the-bar/#comment-81658 Couple “you can’t legislate morality” together with “it isn’t illegal behaviour, so no one has a right to object”, and it’s all downhill from there.

]]> By: Mark IV http://bycommonconsent.com/2008/02/26/razing-the-bar/#comment-81657 Wed, 27 Feb 2008 21:02:29 +0000 http://www.bycommonconsent.com/2008/02/razing-the-bar/#comment-81657 Justin,

How about that! Carrie Nation in the tabernacle! Thank you for that link – I get the impression that Joseph F. Smith was not thrilled with her presence.

And the opening paragraph is priceless: She stepped off the train and immediately swatted the cigar out of the mouth of a porter with a rolled up newspaper. It definitely give you a sense of the woman.

Wes: Astute as always. Your wife must be pretty smart, too.

]]> By: Wes http://bycommonconsent.com/2008/02/26/razing-the-bar/#comment-81656 Wed, 27 Feb 2008 20:19:01 +0000 http://www.bycommonconsent.com/2008/02/razing-the-bar/#comment-81656 Sorry. I’ve think = I think.

]]> By: Wes http://bycommonconsent.com/2008/02/26/razing-the-bar/#comment-81655 Wed, 27 Feb 2008 20:16:30 +0000 http://www.bycommonconsent.com/2008/02/razing-the-bar/#comment-81655 I think the situation with tobacco in America has been a great example of both tolerance and cooperation. It has been a slow process of turning the public opinion, and consequently, making reasonable laws based on good information. It wasn’t a ‘war on tobacco’ spearheaded by the government or by religion. It came about from concern for one’s own health and for other people’s comfort.
I was just discussing this issue from a different point of view with my wife last night. We were applying different push-pull techniques to missionary work. She remembered being very put off after being asked to be baptised after a couple discussions with the missionaries. I recalled being uncomfortable with my mission policy of asking investigators to be baptised from the fist discussion on. I felt that it caused more barriers to friendship and trust than it opened doors. No one listens to information about religion, health, or moral stands unless the information is coming from a source that they feel cares for their welfare. That’s why throwing rocks at a bar and protesting abortion clinics makes people want to shoot you or put you in jail. I’ve think the church’s policy has rightly been towards tolerance first, followed by gentle persuasion.

]]> By: Jim http://bycommonconsent.com/2008/02/26/razing-the-bar/#comment-81654 Wed, 27 Feb 2008 20:14:37 +0000 http://www.bycommonconsent.com/2008/02/razing-the-bar/#comment-81654 David,
I’m not sure if I follow you. Do you believe that there should not be any laws about drug use?

The problem arises when one person’s poor choices effect another innocent person. Perhaps a person should be free to harm him/herself, but when they harm someone else in the process, it’s another matter altogether. For example, we know now of the danger of second-hand smoke, and some laws have been enacted to protect people from inhaling someone else’s toxic waste. Would anyone argue that such laws are not needed?

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