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Saturday Morning General Conference – Open Thread
April 5, 2008 — Steve Evans70 Responses to “Saturday Morning General Conference – Open Thread”
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April 5, 2008 at 9:56 am
Just waiting for it to start…
April 5, 2008 at 10:09 am
I love “Lead kindly light.”
April 5, 2008 at 10:14 am
packer is looking tired
April 5, 2008 at 10:14 am
man I forgot already and voted for the FP during their turn… need to wake up.
April 5, 2008 at 10:15 am
D. Todd Christopherson
April 5, 2008 at 10:16 am
who is he?
April 5, 2008 at 10:19 am
Whatever happened to Chivalry? Shouldn’t we have the women go first?
April 5, 2008 at 10:21 am
http://www.deseretnews.com/confer/leaders/c.htm
Newest apostle.
April 5, 2008 at 10:22 am
can’t get the video feed to work.
farumph….I wonder if you could restrict those from Utah accessing Conference from the Net…
April 5, 2008 at 10:23 am
Hayes,
Did you try all 3 ways to connect? BYUTV?
April 5, 2008 at 10:24 am
you on BYUTV? That is where we watch it up here.
April 5, 2008 at 10:35 am
Why weren’t the GAs permitted the opportunity to vote in opposition?
April 5, 2008 at 10:42 am
Anyone know who else is hosting an open thread for GC?
April 5, 2008 at 10:42 am
12 – Because it was apparent that the affirmative vote was unanimous?
April 5, 2008 at 10:42 am
t&s
April 5, 2008 at 10:43 am
Times and Seasons is at
April 5, 2008 at 10:43 am
thanks for the advice…I have tried the three BYUTV versions and the embedded player on LDS.org
I guess I just have a crappy connection.
April 5, 2008 at 10:43 am
I mean at http://www.timesandseasons.org/?p=4474
April 5, 2008 at 10:44 am
13 – There’s timesandseasons.org, mormonmentality.org, and mormonmatters.org, at least.
April 5, 2008 at 10:47 am
Here’s what’s out there (according to Mormon Archipelago)
T&S
BCC
Mormon Mentality
Mormon Matters
Messenger and Advocate
Our Thoughts
But it semes like here and T&S have the most people
April 5, 2008 at 10:53 am
The Apostles and 70’s had previously met and sustained unanimously those being sustained, so there was no reason to ask them to do otherwise.
April 5, 2008 at 10:57 am
If I want to oppose, rather than sustain, how will they know? Am I supposed to send a telegram?
AB
April 5, 2008 at 10:59 am
If you do it in a meetinghouse, whoever presides is supposed to note it and pass it along.
April 5, 2008 at 11:01 am
Watching it at home and not in a congregation has its drawbacks, AB.
April 5, 2008 at 11:03 am
boring…..
April 5, 2008 at 11:10 am
Conference, or the comments in this thread?
April 5, 2008 at 11:15 am
conference.
but my sigh of boredom was a little premature. elder whateverhisnameis who just spoke made me feel like i was in hogwarts.
April 5, 2008 at 11:20 am
The Apostles and 70’s had previously met and sustained unanimously those being sustained, so there was no reason to ask them to do otherwise.
I’m not a fan of pro forma exercises.
April 5, 2008 at 11:22 am
Elder Wirthlin’s talk is amazing.
April 5, 2008 at 11:26 am
… wishing Elder Wirthlin would give examples of the doctrines he has in mind …
AB
April 5, 2008 at 11:30 am
wishing Elder Wirthlin would give examples of the doctrines he has in mind
the true ones.
April 5, 2008 at 11:32 am
another chance for a latino or non white apostle gone. Can’t say I’m surprised. Still disappointing a bit.
April 5, 2008 at 11:33 am
Elder Wirthlin’s talk was great, but I hope people actually go back and read it–sometimes his words get lost in the delivery.
April 5, 2008 at 11:35 am
Re: 33.
I plan to print it out as soon as it is released — I will even stay up late tonight to transcribe it on my own.
April 5, 2008 at 11:36 am
Ya’ll don’t pick on Elder Christofferson. He may not have ethnic flair, but he is one of my favorites. I hang on just about every word the man says. He’s no dope.
April 5, 2008 at 11:38 am
Did Elder Eyring just say that “true church” = keys of the priesthood? Just checking. A great speaker.
April 5, 2008 at 11:40 am
Nice catch, Steve.
April 5, 2008 at 11:43 am
While I was certainly hoping for a latin to fill the quorum vacancy, I do have a deep respect for Elder Christofferson.
April 5, 2008 at 11:44 am
April 5, 2008 at 11:44 am
Christofferson may have been born in Utah, but he’s a NC/TN guy, through and through. That’s fairly ethnic, when you think about it.
Our first NASCAR apostle?
April 5, 2008 at 11:48 am
So did that make Nathan E. Tanner the Hockey Apostle since he came from Canada, though born in Utah?
April 5, 2008 at 12:10 pm
Whatever happened to doing a “hosanna shout” at the end of the solemn assembly? I brought along a white handkerchief and everything…
April 5, 2008 at 12:17 pm
KSL just broadcast a short piece on blogs and open threads. They mentioned T&S, MOMentality, and FMH. No BCC. Steve?
April 5, 2008 at 12:18 pm
FMH doesn’t have an open thread this morning.
April 5, 2008 at 12:21 pm
Hosting this past Thursday’s Interfaith Council meeting was a great opportunity for our delegate to share with the others our anticipation of this weekend’s General Conference, our sadness about the death of GBH, about sustaining BY COMMON CONSENT a new prophet and a new apostle. We had very nice exchange, and one question asked if Howard W. Hunter had been one of our recent prophets.
I don’t ever remember standing quorum by quorum, auxiliary by auxiliary, to sustain the prophet and apostles. Did this happen when GBH was sustained? I don’t remember. And is age 12 the age at which one can begin to show a sustaining vote? What about those 8, 9, 10, and 11-year-olds who are baptized members?
Mack Wilberg and Craig Jessup are living treasures!
And I loved Rasband’s story of praying in Puno, Peru.
April 5, 2008 at 12:22 pm
I hope I don’t have to wander all over the Bloggernacle with this bit of trivia but I am surprised no one else is noting it. Interesting note in Elder Cristofferson’s history is that he was the law clerk to Judge John Sirica during the Watergate court hearings. Not a major player but he was a firsthand witness to one of the more momentous crises in recent US history.
April 5, 2008 at 12:23 pm
JWL, It was noted on T&S, with a link to an article about it.
April 5, 2008 at 12:30 pm
I haven’t read all the posts so I hope this hasn’t been covered already. I thought the major change in how sustainings took place was interesting. In the past I know friends and others that would abstain (not vote) in certain cases or for certain people being sustained. Now that we each stand by quorum it could make that much more difficult or at least a spectacle should you abstain. If this is carried to the local level such as ward conference and there are only a dozen elders etc. you would certainly be called in should you be one of twelve standing before the ward and stake leadership and then not vote. I think this goes straight to a control issue………
April 5, 2008 at 12:30 pm
Ahem, noted on T&S by me, hence the comment about wandering around the bloggernacle. Thanks for noticing though.
April 5, 2008 at 12:42 pm
bytv (and kbyu) is hosting a live press interview with elder christopherson right now.
April 5, 2008 at 12:49 pm
48, MP, as noted elsewhere, this is a special procedure done only in solemn assemblies, which have always been done when a new President of the church is sustained. It’s not a control issue.
April 5, 2008 at 12:52 pm
1st Presidency
Q of 12 Apostles
1st and 2nd Q of 70, Presiding Bishopric
All Area 70s, Patriarchs, HP, Elders
All Aaronic Priesthood
All members of RS
All YW
Entire membership
So…the members of Relief Society and then the YW, that’s new isn’t it? I’m only going from memory here, but I thought it went straight from the Aaronic Priesthood to general membership for the other three solemn assemblies I’ve witnessed (HWH, ETB and GBH). Am I remembering incorrectly?
April 5, 2008 at 12:53 pm
#42 To my knowledge, the hosanna shout has never been a part of the solemn assembly to sustain a new prophet. I have seen all the solemn assemblies beginning with SWK, and none included the shout. Temple dedications, however, are also considered solemn assemblies, and they always include the hosanna shout.
#48 There’s no reason to think this procedure will be adopted for anything other than the solemn assembly for sustaining a new church president. As noted by President Uchtdorf, there’s nothing new about the procedure followed in sustaining a new president. It’s been followed since the sustaining of John Taylor. The only major changes have been that beginning with the ETB assembly, the procedure was shortened (they used to have each quorum stand in sequence to sustain the FP, then have each quorum stand to sustain the 12, etc.), and that beginning, I think with HWH, the RS and YW have been included in the process.
April 5, 2008 at 12:58 pm
And from Left Field we have the answer! Thanks.
April 5, 2008 at 1:08 pm
Jami (#50), the women were not broken out for HWH, but they were broken out for GBH (ETB was too long ago, so I don’t know what was done then). I remember because one of my roommates was a bit upset when HWH was sustained because women were simply grouped with everyone and didn’t get a chance to stand and sustain alone. We were still roommates when GBH was sustained (since it wasn’t a long time between them), and I remember her happiness at being able to stand and sustain him with the group of women. I have to admit, I liked it too.
April 5, 2008 at 1:53 pm
Tanya is correct that the Relief Society and Young Women first voted as a group with GBH. I was remembering incorrectly. The order of voting beginning with SWK was as follows:
Spencer W. Kimball (April 1974)
Sustaining the First Presidency
First Presidency
Quorum of the Twelve
Patriarchs
High priests
Seventies
Elders
Aaronic Priesthood
The whole congregation, including the priesthood.
Sustaining the Quorum of the Twelve
First Presidency
Quorum of the Twelve
Patriarchs
High priests
Seventies
Elders
Aaronic Priesthood
The whole congregation
Sustaining Eldred G. Smith as Patriarch to the Church
First Presidency
Quorum of the Twelve
Patriarchs
High priests
Seventies
Elders
Aaronic Priesthood
The whole congregation
Sustaining the counselors in the First Presidency, the Twelve Apostles, and the Patriarch to the Church as prophets, seers, and revelators
First Presidency
Quorum of the Twelve
Patriarchs
High priests
Seventies
Elders
Aaronic Priesthood
The whole congregation
Sustaining other general authorities and general officers
The whole congregation
Ezra Taft Benson (April 1986)
Sustaining the First Presidency and the Twelve, including their sustaining as PS, &R.
First Presidency
Quorum of the Twelve
All other Melchizedek Priesthood
Aaronic Priesthood
The whole congregation
Sustaining other general authorities and general officers
The whole congregation
Howard W. Hunter (October 1994)
Sustaining the First Presidency and the Twelve, including their sustaining as PS, &R.
First Presidency
Quorum of the Twelve
First and Second Quorums of the 70 and Presiding Bishopric
All other Melchizedek Priesthood
Aaronic Priesthood
The whole congregation
Sustaining other general authorities and general officers
The whole congregation
Gordon B. Hinckley (April 1995)
Sustaining the First Presidency and the Twelve, including their sustaining as PS, &R.
First Presidency
Quorum of the Twelve
First and Second Quorums of the 70 and Presiding Bishopric
All other Melchizedek Priesthood
Aaronic Priesthood
Relief Society
Young Women
The whole congregation
Sustaining other general authorities and general officers
The whole congregation
Thomas S. Monson (April 2008)
Sustaining the First Presidency and the Twelve, including their sustaining as PS, &R.
First Presidency
Quorum of the Twelve
First and Second Quorums of the 70 and Presiding Bishopric
All other Melchizedek Priesthood
Aaronic Priesthood
Relief Society
Young Women
The whole congregation
Sustaining other general authorities and general officers
The whole congregation
I believe that the order for SWK was virtually the same as that used beginning with John Taylor. Ezra Taft Benson’s was the first solemn assembly in which the priesthood quorums were not seated together. An opposing vote was called for in all assemblies up through 1995. If that was not done today (I wasn’t paying attention to that), it was the first time.
April 5, 2008 at 2:02 pm
Uchtdorf just welcomed those of us tuning in on the internet. Thus, my wife should stop chastizing me for watching conference and blogging simultaneously.
AB
April 5, 2008 at 2:44 pm
I noticed that President Packer’s son was called to the First Quorum of the Seventy, and President Monson’s daughter was called to the YW General Presidency.
April 5, 2008 at 2:57 pm
President Eyring’s son was called to be an Area Seventy.
April 5, 2008 at 6:48 pm
In reference to several comments about the vote….it was pointed out in the afternoon session that it was not a vote…but an opportunity to sustain… more like a covenant. Choosing not to sustain won’t change what happens…just reflects your personal commitments.
April 6, 2008 at 12:15 pm
Todd Christopherson was a year behind me in law school. Even then, he was an exceptional man. His behind-the scene role in the Watergate hearings as the clerk for the presiding judge of the United States District Court in Washington DC had to be a maturing and tempering experience.
Though I haven’t checked it out thoroughly, I believe Todd is the first Duke alum to be selected as an apostle of the Lord.
April 6, 2008 at 9:11 pm
I lurk pretty much on FMH – love it there – but wanted to see what the dialogue was regarding the solemn assembly.
As a member of RS …. it is incredulous to me that a 12-year-old pimple-faced boy stands before the women of the church.
you can give your fallback response “well, we don’t like it either .. but you know, it’s the priesthood.”
I will tell you – that answer is not good enough. And it shouldn’t be good enough for you either.
I love the restored gospel, but the church is run by people who put their pants on one leg at a time.
make it a great evening.
April 6, 2008 at 10:45 pm
Huh. What would your suggested order be, Mary? 12-year-old boys with good complexions first?
April 6, 2008 at 11:02 pm
I wonder how the 12 year old pimple faced boy would feel to hear you say that. There is order in the church. Just because it goes in that order doesn’t make one group better than another.
April 7, 2008 at 8:50 am
absolutely …. clear complexions before zits… but AFTER their mothers and grandmothers
order? or my Stephanie… have you never questioned authority? it does a body and soul good from time to time.
btw – how 12 year old boys feel? I’m far less concerned about that when compared to asking how the women of the church feel … forever relegated to the back of the bus.
April 7, 2008 at 9:48 am
That’s sad, Mary. I care about how 12 year old boys feel just as much as I care about how women feel – particularly my own sons. What do you propose? We go from oldest to youngest? Even in the Aaronic priesthood, there are many men. No matter how you do it, someone would be offended . . . IF they are looking to be.
April 7, 2008 at 10:21 am
Stephanie, don’t feed the trolls.
April 7, 2008 at 10:24 am
Well, it could be worse. The women didn’t vote separately at all until the Solemn Assembly sustaining President Hinckley. We’ve come a long way, baby??
April 7, 2008 at 1:37 pm
Interesting point, Ma.Magdalene, one to think more about.
I don’t connect priesthood (the power and authority of God) to sex, but if those who administer the priesthood are called to sustain the prophets by office (greater to lesser), why not interject the Relief Society (by office) into the mix?
April 7, 2008 at 3:47 pm
I’m there with you PL – ask for RS sustaining – somewhere around HP group?