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		<title>By: Tod Robbins</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2008 07:19:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Margaret

One of the new elders could be Elder Scott Snee from Scotland?  Going to Paris?  Maybe?  He is a good friend of mine and this all sounds too coincidental not to be him.

PS:  The Blacks in the Scriptures people sent me the DVDs, and it is so amazing.  Thanks for being a part of all that, with Darius Gray and such.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Margaret</p>
<p>One of the new elders could be Elder Scott Snee from Scotland?  Going to Paris?  Maybe?  He is a good friend of mine and this all sounds too coincidental not to be him.</p>
<p>PS:  The Blacks in the Scriptures people sent me the DVDs, and it is so amazing.  Thanks for being a part of all that, with Darius Gray and such.</p>
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		<title>By: MarkinPNW</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2008/05/22/welcome-to-your-mission/#comment-107680</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 27 May 2008 09:49:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In one of the last areas of my daughter&#039;s mission in Ecuador, the local bishop was a very black, intelligent, and well educated man from, I believe, the DR of Congo (or perhaps Nigeria, I don&#039;t remember for sure).  He was living in South America for business reasons, and according to my daughter was a very strong, if somewhat strong-willed, member of the church.

In regard to #12, I think that the Perpetual Education Fund might be one part of the answer to preparing the members of the church to lead and bring up the poor of the world who will flock to the restored gospel.

Interestingly, when I was growing up in the Mormon Corridor (Sandy, UT) in the late &#039;60&#039;s and early &#039;70&#039;s, we actually had an Arab Bishop in our ward (his family of origin was from Lebanon).  As I recall, he was a really good Bishop, especially with the youth.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In one of the last areas of my daughter&#8217;s mission in Ecuador, the local bishop was a very black, intelligent, and well educated man from, I believe, the DR of Congo (or perhaps Nigeria, I don&#8217;t remember for sure).  He was living in South America for business reasons, and according to my daughter was a very strong, if somewhat strong-willed, member of the church.</p>
<p>In regard to #12, I think that the Perpetual Education Fund might be one part of the answer to preparing the members of the church to lead and bring up the poor of the world who will flock to the restored gospel.</p>
<p>Interestingly, when I was growing up in the Mormon Corridor (Sandy, UT) in the late &#8217;60&#8242;s and early &#8217;70&#8242;s, we actually had an Arab Bishop in our ward (his family of origin was from Lebanon).  As I recall, he was a really good Bishop, especially with the youth.</p>
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		<title>By: Jami</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2008/05/22/welcome-to-your-mission/#comment-107679</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 24 May 2008 20:20:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[NAA--I am just really thankful that this is the last dispensation and that the church will not be required to face the challenges of growth (or of atrophy) without a prophet.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NAA&#8211;I am just really thankful that this is the last dispensation and that the church will not be required to face the challenges of growth (or of atrophy) without a prophet.</p>
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		<title>By: Non-Arab Arab</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2008/05/22/welcome-to-your-mission/#comment-107678</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Non-Arab Arab]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 May 2008 17:49:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sorry, I meant &quot;first century AD&quot;.  And also I realize I came across sounding a bit patronizing talking about how will the church &quot;serve the needs of these people&quot;.  Yes, the church exists to serve it&#039;s people, but the church also is the people/the saints.  So the question is not just how the church will adjust to accommodate the very different cultural and economic needs of its new poor Saints, but how will the wealthier in the church adjust when it becomes clear that the needs of most church members are best served by leaders from the slums of Delhi, Lagos, and Quezon City.  We&#039;ve certainly begun to experience some of these changes, but I think sheer numbers mean that we&#039;ve barely seen the tip of the iceberg.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, I meant &#8220;first century AD&#8221;.  And also I realize I came across sounding a bit patronizing talking about how will the church &#8220;serve the needs of these people&#8221;.  Yes, the church exists to serve it&#8217;s people, but the church also is the people/the saints.  So the question is not just how the church will adjust to accommodate the very different cultural and economic needs of its new poor Saints, but how will the wealthier in the church adjust when it becomes clear that the needs of most church members are best served by leaders from the slums of Delhi, Lagos, and Quezon City.  We&#8217;ve certainly begun to experience some of these changes, but I think sheer numbers mean that we&#8217;ve barely seen the tip of the iceberg.</p>
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		<title>By: Non-Arab Arab</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2008/05/22/welcome-to-your-mission/#comment-107677</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Non-Arab Arab]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 May 2008 17:42:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Another bit of food for thought this inspired in me: if the church&#039;s exponential growth is going to continue, we are overwhelmingly going to become (and really need to become) a church that is poor.  By which I mean there&#039;s only so many rich, middle-class people in the world, even with the development of the BRIC nations.  The poor and their slums are growing at a heartbreaking but nonetheless breakneck pace.  What are we as a church going to do to serve the needs of these people, to bring the Gospel to them in a context that will let them be lifted as earlier generations of impoverished Mormons were, only this time in far greater numbers and far more complex and diverse circumstances?  How will we come to the &quot;unity of the saints&quot; when middle-class white Americans go from a majority of active members, to a plurality, and finally to a small minority?  How will church programs, schedules, financial resources, leadership structures, general conference talks, and all the rest change to reflect a demographically very different church and to serve the needs of that very different church?

I can think of only two times in history that the church faced comparable challenges.  In the first century BC as relatively poor and wealthy, and vastly divergent Greek and Jewish cultures tried to meld into a single church.  Communication simply wasn&#039;t good enough, and reading the New Testament epistles and then some of the post-NT histories and epistles is a heart-rending view of how the church just couldn&#039;t survive the circumstances.  The other was the early days of the restoration as Saints, many (most I presume?) were impoverished to begin with as they crossed the Atlantic or Pacific to gather to Zion and build the kingdom.  A solution was found in the flight to Utah and the ability to build a relatively isolated community that was able to meld diversity into a relatively homogenous whole.  A nice piece of work by the Lord and his people, but not terribly applicable to a church that aims to be literally 1000 or more times bigger, scattered across the entire globe, unable to cloister itself for shelter in the same manner.  Opportunities and challenges.  Questions we are all going to have to consider, cherished cultural and organizational assumptions which will undoubtedly have to drop like scales from our eyes as time goes on, but all for the greater glory of God.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another bit of food for thought this inspired in me: if the church&#8217;s exponential growth is going to continue, we are overwhelmingly going to become (and really need to become) a church that is poor.  By which I mean there&#8217;s only so many rich, middle-class people in the world, even with the development of the BRIC nations.  The poor and their slums are growing at a heartbreaking but nonetheless breakneck pace.  What are we as a church going to do to serve the needs of these people, to bring the Gospel to them in a context that will let them be lifted as earlier generations of impoverished Mormons were, only this time in far greater numbers and far more complex and diverse circumstances?  How will we come to the &#8220;unity of the saints&#8221; when middle-class white Americans go from a majority of active members, to a plurality, and finally to a small minority?  How will church programs, schedules, financial resources, leadership structures, general conference talks, and all the rest change to reflect a demographically very different church and to serve the needs of that very different church?</p>
<p>I can think of only two times in history that the church faced comparable challenges.  In the first century BC as relatively poor and wealthy, and vastly divergent Greek and Jewish cultures tried to meld into a single church.  Communication simply wasn&#8217;t good enough, and reading the New Testament epistles and then some of the post-NT histories and epistles is a heart-rending view of how the church just couldn&#8217;t survive the circumstances.  The other was the early days of the restoration as Saints, many (most I presume?) were impoverished to begin with as they crossed the Atlantic or Pacific to gather to Zion and build the kingdom.  A solution was found in the flight to Utah and the ability to build a relatively isolated community that was able to meld diversity into a relatively homogenous whole.  A nice piece of work by the Lord and his people, but not terribly applicable to a church that aims to be literally 1000 or more times bigger, scattered across the entire globe, unable to cloister itself for shelter in the same manner.  Opportunities and challenges.  Questions we are all going to have to consider, cherished cultural and organizational assumptions which will undoubtedly have to drop like scales from our eyes as time goes on, but all for the greater glory of God.</p>
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		<title>By: Elouise</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 23:54:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Lovely post, Margaret. Thank you so much!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lovely post, Margaret. Thank you so much!</p>
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		<title>By: peterllc</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2008/05/22/welcome-to-your-mission/#comment-107675</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2008 22:53:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;someone asked me why Mormons insisted on going into Third World countries, implying that we were taking advantage of folks who didn’t know better&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Missionaries get it coming and going. In Europe everyone wanted to know why we &lt;em&gt;weren&#039;t&lt;/em&gt; in less developed countries where we could do some good instead of waste time preaching to the choir.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>someone asked me why Mormons insisted on going into Third World countries, implying that we were taking advantage of folks who didn’t know better</p></blockquote>
<p>Missionaries get it coming and going. In Europe everyone wanted to know why we <em>weren&#8217;t</em> in less developed countries where we could do some good instead of waste time preaching to the choir.</p>
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		<title>By: Margaret Young</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2008/05/22/welcome-to-your-mission/#comment-107674</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Margaret Young]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2008 21:22:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A friend of mine observed that Africans are prepared to believe in visions and to have a great appreciation for genealogy, and hence are often receptive to the gospel.

I have found, in general, that people unencumbered by wealth are more spiritually sensitive and indeed more inclined to have visions etc.--and also more inclined to sacrifice.  (I love your perspective, Ronan.  I hadn&#039;t really thought how huge the sacrifice of that scholarship was for this young man.)

Once, on a call-in radio interview, someone asked me why Mormons insisted on going into Third World countries, implying that we were taking advantage of folks who didn&#039;t know better and so let themselves be pushed into a baptismal font.  As I recall, I gave a stupid answer.  (I don&#039;t remember what I said, just that it was stupid.)

I think the best answer would be one which showed proper respect to who those in the Third World really are--and also to the teenagers and slightly olders who give up two years to serve them.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A friend of mine observed that Africans are prepared to believe in visions and to have a great appreciation for genealogy, and hence are often receptive to the gospel.</p>
<p>I have found, in general, that people unencumbered by wealth are more spiritually sensitive and indeed more inclined to have visions etc.&#8211;and also more inclined to sacrifice.  (I love your perspective, Ronan.  I hadn&#8217;t really thought how huge the sacrifice of that scholarship was for this young man.)</p>
<p>Once, on a call-in radio interview, someone asked me why Mormons insisted on going into Third World countries, implying that we were taking advantage of folks who didn&#8217;t know better and so let themselves be pushed into a baptismal font.  As I recall, I gave a stupid answer.  (I don&#8217;t remember what I said, just that it was stupid.)</p>
<p>I think the best answer would be one which showed proper respect to who those in the Third World really are&#8211;and also to the teenagers and slightly olders who give up two years to serve them.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Barney</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2008/05/22/welcome-to-your-mission/#comment-107673</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kevin Barney]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2008 21:06:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[We had several missionaries who were a little bit older; college degrees, time in the armed services, etc.  They were by far the best male elders in the mission.  That little bit extra of maturity and life experience really goes a long ways in producing top notch missionaries, in contrast with the immature, goofy kids like me.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We had several missionaries who were a little bit older; college degrees, time in the armed services, etc.  They were by far the best male elders in the mission.  That little bit extra of maturity and life experience really goes a long ways in producing top notch missionaries, in contrast with the immature, goofy kids like me.</p>
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		<title>By: KLC</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2008 20:57:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In the past few years in my Southern California ward we had one elder who came directly from Seoul.  In the last few months in that same ward we have had three sister missionaries.  One moved to Utah from her native Korea when she was 9.  One arrived directly from Okinawa, Japan.  Our newest arrived directly from Vina del Mar, Chile.

When I&#039;m with these missionaries I think of the parable of the olive tree and the branches that were once scattered in the farthest parts of the orchard being grafted back into the original tree to reinvigorate it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the past few years in my Southern California ward we had one elder who came directly from Seoul.  In the last few months in that same ward we have had three sister missionaries.  One moved to Utah from her native Korea when she was 9.  One arrived directly from Okinawa, Japan.  Our newest arrived directly from Vina del Mar, Chile.</p>
<p>When I&#8217;m with these missionaries I think of the parable of the olive tree and the branches that were once scattered in the farthest parts of the orchard being grafted back into the original tree to reinvigorate it.</p>
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