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		<title>By: Neal Kramer</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2008/06/09/the-intellectual-pleasures-of-mormonism/#comment-152997</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 03:03:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[To all who have responded, thanks for your interest.

Let me briefly say a couple of things in response to questions.

The list of doctrines is short, not exhaustive, out of my sense of the etiquette of posting. If yours did not make the list, I apologize and hope what I wrote helped you think about what makes you study the gospel.

The list of intellectuals is even shorter.  There is a vast and rich history of faithful intellectual encounters with Mormonism.

I have known a number of intellectuals who left the Church in the 40&#039;s  and 50&#039;s.  It seemed to me they never got it.  Thank goodness that so many of us can share our excitement now.

As I look at my bookshelf now, I can see I should have included Spencer W. Kimball, a brilliant writer and careful thinker who has added much to my life and Hugh B. Brown who brought my mind to life with spectacular sermons, independent thinking, and a twinkle in his eye when he thought we were taking ourselves too seriously.

Culture masquerading as doctrine seems to me to be the biggest challenge the international church faces.  While I won&#039;t name names, powerful minds in the church have been writing books to try to make a certain brand of western American Mormon culture the only acceptable culture in the church.  There is constant pressure on all of us to give away some of our rich intellectual heritage in the name of a very sophisticated call to conform.  I hope we&#039;ll keep thinking and sharing.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To all who have responded, thanks for your interest.</p>
<p>Let me briefly say a couple of things in response to questions.</p>
<p>The list of doctrines is short, not exhaustive, out of my sense of the etiquette of posting. If yours did not make the list, I apologize and hope what I wrote helped you think about what makes you study the gospel.</p>
<p>The list of intellectuals is even shorter.  There is a vast and rich history of faithful intellectual encounters with Mormonism.</p>
<p>I have known a number of intellectuals who left the Church in the 40&#8242;s  and 50&#8242;s.  It seemed to me they never got it.  Thank goodness that so many of us can share our excitement now.</p>
<p>As I look at my bookshelf now, I can see I should have included Spencer W. Kimball, a brilliant writer and careful thinker who has added much to my life and Hugh B. Brown who brought my mind to life with spectacular sermons, independent thinking, and a twinkle in his eye when he thought we were taking ourselves too seriously.</p>
<p>Culture masquerading as doctrine seems to me to be the biggest challenge the international church faces.  While I won&#8217;t name names, powerful minds in the church have been writing books to try to make a certain brand of western American Mormon culture the only acceptable culture in the church.  There is constant pressure on all of us to give away some of our rich intellectual heritage in the name of a very sophisticated call to conform.  I hope we&#8217;ll keep thinking and sharing.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2008/06/09/the-intellectual-pleasures-of-mormonism/#comment-152996</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 07:49:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Great post, and great comments. Your testimonies humble me and make me want to study the gospel more. Thanks.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post, and great comments. Your testimonies humble me and make me want to study the gospel more. Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Ray</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jun 2008 21:50:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Amen to the post.  The last line is perfect.

Kevin (#10) - Exactly.  It has always amazed me that people think Mormonism is dull and simple.  It&#039;s spiritually and intellectually breathtaking to me.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amen to the post.  The last line is perfect.</p>
<p>Kevin (#10) &#8211; Exactly.  It has always amazed me that people think Mormonism is dull and simple.  It&#8217;s spiritually and intellectually breathtaking to me.</p>
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		<title>By: Terry Foraker</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2008/06/09/the-intellectual-pleasures-of-mormonism/#comment-152982</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Terry Foraker]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jun 2008 17:08:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Am I alone in thinking that we are on the cusp of a new &quot;Camelot&quot; in the church?  The difference this time is that rather than relying on institutional sanction, it is being  brought about by a new group of &quot;rank and file&quot; intellectuals such as Nathan Oman, Blake Ostler, Kevin Barney, and Terryl Givens, as well as the numerous bloggers who are able to find the delicate balance between faith and reason.

And how cool is it to have a genuine intellectual (Henry B. Eyring)in the First Presidency?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Am I alone in thinking that we are on the cusp of a new &#8220;Camelot&#8221; in the church?  The difference this time is that rather than relying on institutional sanction, it is being  brought about by a new group of &#8220;rank and file&#8221; intellectuals such as Nathan Oman, Blake Ostler, Kevin Barney, and Terryl Givens, as well as the numerous bloggers who are able to find the delicate balance between faith and reason.</p>
<p>And how cool is it to have a genuine intellectual (Henry B. Eyring)in the First Presidency?</p>
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		<title>By: Randall</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2008/06/09/the-intellectual-pleasures-of-mormonism/#comment-152994</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Randall]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jun 2008 04:14:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[For me, intellectual pleasure is in the sharing of ideas with others, and in nudging them a step in the direction of my perspective.  Opening a new spiritual window or horizon.

Our wards are full of people who have pondered for years on the same scriptures and discourses we have.  However, we have each taken a different piece of the Mormon narrative to heart, and come to different conclusions as to its import in our lives.  For example, I loved the strands that developed from DK&#039;s &quot;What is Doctrine?&quot; posting today.

Developing our own thoughts and keeping them to ourselves is isolating and frustrating.  We don&#039;t have a church of intellectual silos.  Rather, each of us is given the chance to testify, teach, edify, and expound.  Our callings and talks encourage us to rub off on each other.  Taking this role seriously, and remaining open to others with a similar pleasure is a core aspect of life as a Saint.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For me, intellectual pleasure is in the sharing of ideas with others, and in nudging them a step in the direction of my perspective.  Opening a new spiritual window or horizon.</p>
<p>Our wards are full of people who have pondered for years on the same scriptures and discourses we have.  However, we have each taken a different piece of the Mormon narrative to heart, and come to different conclusions as to its import in our lives.  For example, I loved the strands that developed from DK&#8217;s &#8220;What is Doctrine?&#8221; posting today.</p>
<p>Developing our own thoughts and keeping them to ourselves is isolating and frustrating.  We don&#8217;t have a church of intellectual silos.  Rather, each of us is given the chance to testify, teach, edify, and expound.  Our callings and talks encourage us to rub off on each other.  Taking this role seriously, and remaining open to others with a similar pleasure is a core aspect of life as a Saint.</p>
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		<title>By: Brad</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2008/06/09/the-intellectual-pleasures-of-mormonism/#comment-152993</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Brad]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jun 2008 02:45:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[No worries, Jared.  I didn&#039;t mean to suggest you did. :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No worries, Jared.  I didn&#8217;t mean to suggest you did. :)</p>
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		<title>By: Jared</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jared]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jun 2008 02:41:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[#14 Brad

I agree with you that intellectual spiritual experiences are sacred. I didn&#039;t intend to suggest otherwise.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#14 Brad</p>
<p>I agree with you that intellectual spiritual experiences are sacred. I didn&#8217;t intend to suggest otherwise.</p>
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		<title>By: Brad</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Brad]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jun 2008 02:23:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Some of the most sacred spiritual experiences I&#039;ve ever had involved intense contemplation and intellectual reaching.  Joseph Smith spoke of &quot;pure intelligence flowing,&quot; and of &quot;sudden strokes of ideas.&quot; I find it enriching beyond description, and the intellectual pleasure cannot be separated from the spiritual encounter.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some of the most sacred spiritual experiences I&#8217;ve ever had involved intense contemplation and intellectual reaching.  Joseph Smith spoke of &#8220;pure intelligence flowing,&#8221; and of &#8220;sudden strokes of ideas.&#8221; I find it enriching beyond description, and the intellectual pleasure cannot be separated from the spiritual encounter.</p>
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		<title>By: Jared</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2008/06/09/the-intellectual-pleasures-of-mormonism/#comment-152990</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jun 2008 01:57:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As wonderful as the intellectual pleasures of Mormonism are to feast upon, the spiritual encounters are a marvel and are unrivaled by any other experience one can have in mortality. There is no experience in life that can begin to surpass a manifestation of the Spirit. Those who have felt the love of the Lord to the extend that they&#039;ve cried out, &quot;enough Lord&quot;, or have received a remission of their sin and felt Fire and the Holy Ghost surround them, or have been in the present of ministering angels (seen or unseen) and received divine help in answers to pray, will all testify that man is nothing without God and we live in a dark, dreary, and forsaken place so that we can acquire experience. I like the way Brigham Young put it, &quot;the kingdom of God or Nothing&quot;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As wonderful as the intellectual pleasures of Mormonism are to feast upon, the spiritual encounters are a marvel and are unrivaled by any other experience one can have in mortality. There is no experience in life that can begin to surpass a manifestation of the Spirit. Those who have felt the love of the Lord to the extend that they&#8217;ve cried out, &#8220;enough Lord&#8221;, or have received a remission of their sin and felt Fire and the Holy Ghost surround them, or have been in the present of ministering angels (seen or unseen) and received divine help in answers to pray, will all testify that man is nothing without God and we live in a dark, dreary, and forsaken place so that we can acquire experience. I like the way Brigham Young put it, &#8220;the kingdom of God or Nothing&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Neal Davis</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2008/06/09/the-intellectual-pleasures-of-mormonism/#comment-152989</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Neal Davis]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jun 2008 00:31:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What fascinates me so much is the breadth of thought exhibited by the great thinkers of Mormonism, as you mentioned at the end.  I&#039;ve continually found myself inspired by those brethren, as well as Henry Eyring, Bruce R. McConkie, and a dozen others.  A la #10, I&#039;m at recess all the time!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What fascinates me so much is the breadth of thought exhibited by the great thinkers of Mormonism, as you mentioned at the end.  I&#8217;ve continually found myself inspired by those brethren, as well as Henry Eyring, Bruce R. McConkie, and a dozen others.  A la #10, I&#8217;m at recess all the time!</p>
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