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		<title>By: Jamal</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2008/06/10/exaltation-as-manumission-from-slavery/#comment-58703</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jamal]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 21:08:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Regarding the ayn-b-d root of &quot;slave/servant&quot;.  I don&#039;t know Hebrew other than tangentially, but the same root exists in Arabic.  While I&#039;m not a linguist, my experience with the word over the years has really only shown me two uses (my experience includes the LDS standard works, Islamic religious contexts, historical reading, modern cultural usage). Either a true slave (used matter of factly or as a derogatory racist term such as one hears applied towards sub-Saharan Africans all too frequently in the Arab world), or else in a spiritual symbolic sense describing a person or prophet&#039;s relationship to God.  Almost all the &quot;Abdul&quot; names one hears in Arabic/amongst Muslims mean servant/slave of God (generally using one of his ninety-nine characters/attributes for the second half of the name, though occasionally the name of God itself in Abdullah or the rarer Abd al-Ilah - &quot;servant of the God&quot;).  Some Christians use Christ or titles of Christ in this fashion (i.e. Abdul Masih - &quot;servant of Christ).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding the ayn-b-d root of &#8220;slave/servant&#8221;.  I don&#8217;t know Hebrew other than tangentially, but the same root exists in Arabic.  While I&#8217;m not a linguist, my experience with the word over the years has really only shown me two uses (my experience includes the LDS standard works, Islamic religious contexts, historical reading, modern cultural usage). Either a true slave (used matter of factly or as a derogatory racist term such as one hears applied towards sub-Saharan Africans all too frequently in the Arab world), or else in a spiritual symbolic sense describing a person or prophet&#8217;s relationship to God.  Almost all the &#8220;Abdul&#8221; names one hears in Arabic/amongst Muslims mean servant/slave of God (generally using one of his ninety-nine characters/attributes for the second half of the name, though occasionally the name of God itself in Abdullah or the rarer Abd al-Ilah &#8211; &#8220;servant of the God&#8221;).  Some Christians use Christ or titles of Christ in this fashion (i.e. Abdul Masih &#8211; &#8220;servant of Christ).</p>
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		<title>By: daproff</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 17:46:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ronan,

I agree with you that the Biblical rendition makes it clear that Hagar is the property of Sarah, but we must tread carefully when applying modern biases about slavery with every instance of it anciently, in particular when the individual situation is more accurately understood as servile.

God bless.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ronan,</p>
<p>I agree with you that the Biblical rendition makes it clear that Hagar is the property of Sarah, but we must tread carefully when applying modern biases about slavery with every instance of it anciently, in particular when the individual situation is more accurately understood as servile.</p>
<p>God bless.</p>
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		<title>By: Ronan</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ronan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 12:22:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[daproff,
Always glad to have feedback. I agree that several statuses exist under the rubric &quot;abad&quot; and that some are better described as &quot;servants.&quot; This is certainly the case in Babylonia, the material with which I am most familiar. But those people called &quot;servants&quot; in the OT who are demonstrably kinless are definitely &quot;slaves.&quot; Calling Hagar a maidservant or some such hides who she really was.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>daproff,<br />
Always glad to have feedback. I agree that several statuses exist under the rubric &#8220;abad&#8221; and that some are better described as &#8220;servants.&#8221; This is certainly the case in Babylonia, the material with which I am most familiar. But those people called &#8220;servants&#8221; in the OT who are demonstrably kinless are definitely &#8220;slaves.&#8221; Calling Hagar a maidservant or some such hides who she really was.</p>
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		<title>By: daproff</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2008/06/10/exaltation-as-manumission-from-slavery/#comment-58700</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[daproff]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 07:01:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ronan.

Forgive the intrusion, but technically, it is inaccurate to state that there is only one Hebrew term that means both “servant” and “slave”. The Greek word “doulos” (not Hebrew) means slave or bondage, but there is another Greek word (diakonos) which means hired servant rather than slave. It also means to “minister” as in to tend to another, as well as to be a subordinate administrator to a higher magistrate. There is also the Greek word oiket?s which refers to all those who fall under the authority of the same householder. The Hebrew word ‘abad can refer to slaves, but it also refers to doing work, serving, laborers, and subjects such as those under the rule of a King or law. Another Hebrew word-sakiyr refers to hirelings or paid laborers.

In short, it would be a mistake to substitute the word “slave” every time one reads the word “servant” in the New Testament.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ronan.</p>
<p>Forgive the intrusion, but technically, it is inaccurate to state that there is only one Hebrew term that means both “servant” and “slave”. The Greek word “doulos” (not Hebrew) means slave or bondage, but there is another Greek word (diakonos) which means hired servant rather than slave. It also means to “minister” as in to tend to another, as well as to be a subordinate administrator to a higher magistrate. There is also the Greek word oiket?s which refers to all those who fall under the authority of the same householder. The Hebrew word ‘abad can refer to slaves, but it also refers to doing work, serving, laborers, and subjects such as those under the rule of a King or law. Another Hebrew word-sakiyr refers to hirelings or paid laborers.</p>
<p>In short, it would be a mistake to substitute the word “slave” every time one reads the word “servant” in the New Testament.</p>
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		<title>By: Jamal</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jamal]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 01:36:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ronan,

I believe primarily the Sultans and Amirs (i.e., kings and princes).  The wikipedia entry looks decent at first glance: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mamluk

You might also try to read up on the Turkish Janissary system and the Saqaliba in Al-Andalus (Islamic Spain).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ronan,</p>
<p>I believe primarily the Sultans and Amirs (i.e., kings and princes).  The wikipedia entry looks decent at first glance: <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mamluk" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mamluk</a></p>
<p>You might also try to read up on the Turkish Janissary system and the Saqaliba in Al-Andalus (Islamic Spain).</p>
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		<title>By: Ronan</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2008/06/10/exaltation-as-manumission-from-slavery/#comment-58698</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ronan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 22:34:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jamal,
I spend most of my time looking at the elite slaves of the ancient world, particularly those who owned property. As someone has noted, “slavery stripped away a person’s kin ties and fastened them onto his or her new master’s lineage.” A slave&#039;s situation depended entirely on the master. Who &quot;owned&quot; the Mamelukes?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jamal,<br />
I spend most of my time looking at the elite slaves of the ancient world, particularly those who owned property. As someone has noted, “slavery stripped away a person’s kin ties and fastened them onto his or her new master’s lineage.” A slave&#8217;s situation depended entirely on the master. Who &#8220;owned&#8221; the Mamelukes?</p>
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		<title>By: Jamal</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2008/06/10/exaltation-as-manumission-from-slavery/#comment-58697</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jamal]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 22:26:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am reminded of the Mameluke dynasties of Egypt in the middle ages which lingered on some levels right up until Napoleon&#039;s invasion in 1798.  The term &quot;Mameluke&quot; in Arabic means &quot;owned&quot; and is a synonym for slavery.  The Mamelukes were generally bought/brought as slaves while children out of the Balkans (a lot of Albanians in particular), were trained in the arts of war, and eventually became both highly skilled soldiers and emancipated freemen.  Eventually these slaves became so influential and powerful in Egypt that they rose up and became the country&#039;s rulers and ruling class, producing in the process some of the most beautiful art and architecture in the world (the mausoleum of Qait Bay in Cairo&#039;s City of the Dead contains one of the most stunningly beautiful carved stone domes in the world).  The slaves literally became kings.

Not to get too romantic though, a Mameluke ruler generally had a short bloody tenure and violent death.  A good read that includes a chunk on Mameluke Egypt is Max Rodenbeck&#039;s wonderful &quot;Cairo: the City Victorious&quot;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am reminded of the Mameluke dynasties of Egypt in the middle ages which lingered on some levels right up until Napoleon&#8217;s invasion in 1798.  The term &#8220;Mameluke&#8221; in Arabic means &#8220;owned&#8221; and is a synonym for slavery.  The Mamelukes were generally bought/brought as slaves while children out of the Balkans (a lot of Albanians in particular), were trained in the arts of war, and eventually became both highly skilled soldiers and emancipated freemen.  Eventually these slaves became so influential and powerful in Egypt that they rose up and became the country&#8217;s rulers and ruling class, producing in the process some of the most beautiful art and architecture in the world (the mausoleum of Qait Bay in Cairo&#8217;s City of the Dead contains one of the most stunningly beautiful carved stone domes in the world).  The slaves literally became kings.</p>
<p>Not to get too romantic though, a Mameluke ruler generally had a short bloody tenure and violent death.  A good read that includes a chunk on Mameluke Egypt is Max Rodenbeck&#8217;s wonderful &#8220;Cairo: the City Victorious&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Martin Willey</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Martin Willey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jun 2008 21:00:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree that there are many references to Christ as master and lord, and I think they make the servant/master/manumission metaphor complete.  I was just wondering if there were references that developed the slavery image more fully or directly.  I like the Paul references.  Thanks, Ronan and Kevin.  Very thought provoking.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that there are many references to Christ as master and lord, and I think they make the servant/master/manumission metaphor complete.  I was just wondering if there were references that developed the slavery image more fully or directly.  I like the Paul references.  Thanks, Ronan and Kevin.  Very thought provoking.</p>
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		<title>By: Ray</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ray]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jun 2008 20:19:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Excellent, Ronan.  Simply excellent.  (both the post AND comment #8)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent, Ronan.  Simply excellent.  (both the post AND comment #8)</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Barney</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kevin Barney]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jun 2008 20:14:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As Ronan mentioned, almost every time you read &lt;em&gt;servant &lt;/em&gt;in the KJV NT it is a translation of &lt;em&gt;doulos&lt;/em&gt;, which means &lt;em&gt;slave&lt;/em&gt;.  Paul is constantly calling himself a slave of Jesus Christ. Try reading some NT texts and substitute the English word slave for servant and notice the effect.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As Ronan mentioned, almost every time you read <em>servant </em>in the KJV NT it is a translation of <em>doulos</em>, which means <em>slave</em>.  Paul is constantly calling himself a slave of Jesus Christ. Try reading some NT texts and substitute the English word slave for servant and notice the effect.</p>
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