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	<title>Comments on: Stuff I Learned from My First Trip to the Temple</title>
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		<title>By: Bruce H.</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2008/06/18/stuff-i-learned-from-my-first-trip-to-the-temple/#comment-79010</link>
		<dc:creator>Bruce H.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 21:41:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As I was preparing to go for the first time, the temple prep class, my bishop, and others kept telling me, &quot;It&#039;s all very symbolic.&quot; What they didn&#039;t make clear was that there would be little or no explanation of what the symbols were meant to symbolize.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As I was preparing to go for the first time, the temple prep class, my bishop, and others kept telling me, &#8220;It&#8217;s all very symbolic.&#8221; What they didn&#8217;t make clear was that there would be little or no explanation of what the symbols were meant to symbolize.</p>
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		<title>By: J.A.T.</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2008/06/18/stuff-i-learned-from-my-first-trip-to-the-temple/#comment-79009</link>
		<dc:creator>J.A.T.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2008 18:02:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#039;Take-out&#039; is fine!

We can use more nuanced and traditional language, especially in a culturally rich context.

Not long ago somewhere on the bloggernacle there was a very eloquent description comparing the Catholic ritual of mass to the temple ceremony. (Anyone have the citation?) As I recall, one of the main comparisons dealt with the unique way in which the temple is a symbolic walk of the individual TO God, instead of God (via priests) bringing the ordinances TO the masses. Taking into consideration this comparison, &#039;take-out&#039; is a more accurate description of the choices and actions being made BY the individual to receive the blessings which are conditionally available to everyone. (I stand at the door and knock and if any man . . . )
That&#039;s not to be hubristic in thinking that one TAKES from God, but that one TAKES the ordinance and steps striving toward God. God &#039;gives&#039; the endowment, but the individual is the one &#039;taking&#039; the journey to beseech. (&#039;Free agency&#039; right? Oops! I mean choice and accountability.)

I wonder if ‘taking out’ is an attempt to keep sacred the more intimate sanctification process and only discuss the person’s ordinance steps OR whether it is a very literal description of the unique interconnectedness of the ordinance symbolizing the sanctification.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216;Take-out&#8217; is fine!</p>
<p>We can use more nuanced and traditional language, especially in a culturally rich context.</p>
<p>Not long ago somewhere on the bloggernacle there was a very eloquent description comparing the Catholic ritual of mass to the temple ceremony. (Anyone have the citation?) As I recall, one of the main comparisons dealt with the unique way in which the temple is a symbolic walk of the individual TO God, instead of God (via priests) bringing the ordinances TO the masses. Taking into consideration this comparison, &#8216;take-out&#8217; is a more accurate description of the choices and actions being made BY the individual to receive the blessings which are conditionally available to everyone. (I stand at the door and knock and if any man . . . )<br />
That&#8217;s not to be hubristic in thinking that one TAKES from God, but that one TAKES the ordinance and steps striving toward God. God &#8216;gives&#8217; the endowment, but the individual is the one &#8216;taking&#8217; the journey to beseech. (&#8216;Free agency&#8217; right? Oops! I mean choice and accountability.)</p>
<p>I wonder if ‘taking out’ is an attempt to keep sacred the more intimate sanctification process and only discuss the person’s ordinance steps OR whether it is a very literal description of the unique interconnectedness of the ordinance symbolizing the sanctification.</p>
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		<title>By: sister blah 2</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2008/06/18/stuff-i-learned-from-my-first-trip-to-the-temple/#comment-79008</link>
		<dc:creator>sister blah 2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2008 16:09:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes. For shame, Adam! And after we discussed upthread how &quot;received&quot; is the preferred language even. Tsk, tsk.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes. For shame, Adam! And after we discussed upthread how &#8220;received&#8221; is the preferred language even. Tsk, tsk.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark B.</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2008/06/18/stuff-i-learned-from-my-first-trip-to-the-temple/#comment-79007</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark B.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2008 16:02:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can&#039;t we kill &quot;take out&quot; as a verb describing the receiving of a gift or blessing?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can&#8217;t we kill &#8220;take out&#8221; as a verb describing the receiving of a gift or blessing?</p>
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		<title>By: BobW</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2008/06/18/stuff-i-learned-from-my-first-trip-to-the-temple/#comment-79006</link>
		<dc:creator>BobW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2008 15:09:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I had just completed a class on Sigmund Freud. I knew it was symbolic in some sexual way. Sex and death. The freudian angle made it really interesting. Now I know it is really all about sex, starting off by becoming naked in the temple for the washing and anointing.

This was when they carted off a load of missionaries all at once, without much prep, to their first endowment.

Right now, it is all on YOUTUBE, mostly the whole thing. Mercy, mercy. No more mystery for the inquisitive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had just completed a class on Sigmund Freud. I knew it was symbolic in some sexual way. Sex and death. The freudian angle made it really interesting. Now I know it is really all about sex, starting off by becoming naked in the temple for the washing and anointing.</p>
<p>This was when they carted off a load of missionaries all at once, without much prep, to their first endowment.</p>
<p>Right now, it is all on YOUTUBE, mostly the whole thing. Mercy, mercy. No more mystery for the inquisitive.</p>
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		<title>By: sister blah 2</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2008/06/18/stuff-i-learned-from-my-first-trip-to-the-temple/#comment-79004</link>
		<dc:creator>sister blah 2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2008 14:47:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>100% agreed, Adam. I was almost disappointed that the weirdness level was so low.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>100% agreed, Adam. I was almost disappointed that the weirdness level was so low.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam Greenwood</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2008/06/18/stuff-i-learned-from-my-first-trip-to-the-temple/#comment-79005</link>
		<dc:creator>Adam Greenwood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2008 14:31:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So many people told me not to freak out when I took out my endowments that the surprise for me was how churchy and normal everything was.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So many people told me not to freak out when I took out my endowments that the surprise for me was how churchy and normal everything was.</p>
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		<title>By: Left Field</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2008/06/18/stuff-i-learned-from-my-first-trip-to-the-temple/#comment-79003</link>
		<dc:creator>Left Field</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2008 00:13:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For me, the temple turned out to be less strange than I was expecting.  My parents had a copy of &lt;em&gt;Temples of the Most High&lt;/em&gt;, and I had read &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ldshistory.net/1904/tempgeog.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; this article&lt;/a&gt; from the book.  I was expecting to go to the temple and hear a full explanation of all that business about circles and triangles and Roman numerals.  I was a bit puzzled when the ceremony ended with pretty  much no mention of anything in Bangerter&#039;s article.

Oddly enough, the most disconcerting thing I remember from my first visit is noticing that the wallpaper panels were slightly misaligned.  I had always heard that the temple had nothing but the finest materials and workmanship.  Nothing is too good for the Lord.  I think I realized right away that my expectations in that regard were a little unrealistic, and I have since come to appreciate the human element in the temple.  I loved the experience I had in a small temple of having my elder&#039;s quorum president officiate at the veil, and then a few minutes later seeing him with a mop and a bucket, preparing to clean the temple before closing for the day.    A marvelous demonstration of the interaction between the human and divine in the place where God and humanity meet on sacred ground.

I agree that our temple preparation process needs work.  Before people go to the temple, they should at least have an explanation of structure (though not the full content) of the ceremony.  They should have a pretty clear idea of what they will be doing.  An introduction to the importance of symbolism and ritual would be in order.

For example, I think it might be helpful to explain that the ceremony is not intended to be a historical account of actual events and dialog.  I think that not having that understanding can cause a lot of confusion in making sense of the ceremony.  Also, the filmed version of the endowment largely obscures the fact that the temple patrons as well as officiators together are actors in the sacred drama.  We are there in the garden as Adam and Eve&#039;s posterity, interacting directly with the other characters.  (I love the Terrestrial room in Manti where the altar is in the center of the room and all of the principals in the ritual are enclosed together in the same space.)  For me, the ritual takes on greater meaning if I think of myself as a participant, not an observer.  If we are prepared to think in those terms on our first visit, it might help in connecting to the meaning of the ceremony.  For those who can, I would strongly recommend receiving your own endowment in Salt Lake or Manti, where you don&#039;t have to imagine yourself interacting with characters on a projection screen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For me, the temple turned out to be less strange than I was expecting.  My parents had a copy of <em>Temples of the Most High</em>, and I had read <a href="http://www.ldshistory.net/1904/tempgeog.htm" rel="nofollow"> this article</a> from the book.  I was expecting to go to the temple and hear a full explanation of all that business about circles and triangles and Roman numerals.  I was a bit puzzled when the ceremony ended with pretty  much no mention of anything in Bangerter&#8217;s article.</p>
<p>Oddly enough, the most disconcerting thing I remember from my first visit is noticing that the wallpaper panels were slightly misaligned.  I had always heard that the temple had nothing but the finest materials and workmanship.  Nothing is too good for the Lord.  I think I realized right away that my expectations in that regard were a little unrealistic, and I have since come to appreciate the human element in the temple.  I loved the experience I had in a small temple of having my elder&#8217;s quorum president officiate at the veil, and then a few minutes later seeing him with a mop and a bucket, preparing to clean the temple before closing for the day.    A marvelous demonstration of the interaction between the human and divine in the place where God and humanity meet on sacred ground.</p>
<p>I agree that our temple preparation process needs work.  Before people go to the temple, they should at least have an explanation of structure (though not the full content) of the ceremony.  They should have a pretty clear idea of what they will be doing.  An introduction to the importance of symbolism and ritual would be in order.</p>
<p>For example, I think it might be helpful to explain that the ceremony is not intended to be a historical account of actual events and dialog.  I think that not having that understanding can cause a lot of confusion in making sense of the ceremony.  Also, the filmed version of the endowment largely obscures the fact that the temple patrons as well as officiators together are actors in the sacred drama.  We are there in the garden as Adam and Eve&#8217;s posterity, interacting directly with the other characters.  (I love the Terrestrial room in Manti where the altar is in the center of the room and all of the principals in the ritual are enclosed together in the same space.)  For me, the ritual takes on greater meaning if I think of myself as a participant, not an observer.  If we are prepared to think in those terms on our first visit, it might help in connecting to the meaning of the ceremony.  For those who can, I would strongly recommend receiving your own endowment in Salt Lake or Manti, where you don&#8217;t have to imagine yourself interacting with characters on a projection screen.</p>
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		<title>By: jane</title>
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		<dc:creator>jane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jun 2008 23:01:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I didn&#039;t like it very much the first time.  I&#039;ve been a handful of times since, and didn&#039;t like it any better on those visits.  I wonder if I should give it another try some day.

I recently read Eat, Love, Pray.  The author talks about a ritual at her ashram in India that she hated, but forced herself to attend repeatedly, and eventually grew to appreciate.  When I read that, I wondered if maybe I could grow to appreciate temple worship.  I&#039;m not really sure if I can work up the energy and courage to try again.  (I find the negative emotions I have associated with the temple to be really draining).  But every once in a while, I have just a vague wisp of a feeling that maybe I should give it another go.

I appreciate people willing to share their stories.  Thanks, Cynthia, and others.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didn&#8217;t like it very much the first time.  I&#8217;ve been a handful of times since, and didn&#8217;t like it any better on those visits.  I wonder if I should give it another try some day.</p>
<p>I recently read Eat, Love, Pray.  The author talks about a ritual at her ashram in India that she hated, but forced herself to attend repeatedly, and eventually grew to appreciate.  When I read that, I wondered if maybe I could grow to appreciate temple worship.  I&#8217;m not really sure if I can work up the energy and courage to try again.  (I find the negative emotions I have associated with the temple to be really draining).  But every once in a while, I have just a vague wisp of a feeling that maybe I should give it another go.</p>
<p>I appreciate people willing to share their stories.  Thanks, Cynthia, and others.</p>
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		<title>By: TMD</title>
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		<dc:creator>TMD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jun 2008 22:36:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m a wednesday nighter...</description>
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