Comments on: Patriotism in the international church http://bycommonconsent.com/2008/07/27/patriotism-in-the-international-church/ A Mormon Blog Sat, 21 Nov 2009 05:02:51 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 By: Mark B. http://bycommonconsent.com/2008/07/27/patriotism-in-the-international-church/#comment-59267 Mark B. Thu, 31 Jul 2008 02:34:21 +0000 http://www.bycommonconsent.com/?p=4022#comment-59267 Thanks kendall. Thanks kendall.

]]> By: kendall smith http://bycommonconsent.com/2008/07/27/patriotism-in-the-international-church/#comment-59266 kendall smith Thu, 31 Jul 2008 00:10:52 +0000 http://www.bycommonconsent.com/?p=4022#comment-59266 Mark B: It is standard for Spanish acronyms to repeat the letter if the plurals are involved. So the acronym for the Spanish term for Armed Forces--Fuerzas Armadas--would be FFAA. Not sure if that explanation makes much sense. From the Diccionario Panhispanico de Dudas: "En abreviaturas formadas por una sola letra, el plural se expresa duplicando esta: ss. por siguientes, EE. UU. por Estados Unidos." Estadounidense wouldn't confuse anyone--it is common knowledge that it applies only to citizens of the United States. http://buscon.rae.es/dpdI/ Mark B:

It is standard for Spanish acronyms to repeat the letter if the plurals are involved. So the acronym for the Spanish term for Armed Forces–Fuerzas Armadas–would be FFAA. Not sure if that explanation makes much sense.

From the Diccionario Panhispanico de Dudas:
“En abreviaturas formadas por una sola letra, el plural se expresa duplicando esta: ss. por siguientes, EE. UU. por Estados Unidos.”

Estadounidense wouldn’t confuse anyone–it is common knowledge that it applies only to citizens of the United States.

http://buscon.rae.es/dpdI/

]]> By: Mark B. http://bycommonconsent.com/2008/07/27/patriotism-in-the-international-church/#comment-59265 Mark B. Wed, 30 Jul 2008 20:36:53 +0000 http://www.bycommonconsent.com/?p=4022#comment-59265 I'm with Rick Reilly in loving La Marseillaise--but maybe it's just because I don't speak French. The last three lines of the refrain are stirring: Marchons, marchons ! Qu'un sang impur Abreuve nos sillons ! According to one website, in English that's: Let us march, let us march! May their tainted blood Soak our furrows! Frankly, I'd be happy to make "impur" its English cognate--those guys' blood isn't just tainted. It's impure through and through. And "sillons" is furrows? Can't we come up with a better word. (The gutters running with blood is a fine image!) I’m with Rick Reilly in loving La Marseillaise–but maybe it’s just because I don’t speak French.

The last three lines of the refrain are stirring:

Marchons, marchons !
Qu’un sang impur
Abreuve nos sillons !

According to one website, in English that’s:

Let us march, let us march!
May their tainted blood
Soak our furrows!

Frankly, I’d be happy to make “impur” its English cognate–those guys’ blood isn’t just tainted. It’s impure through and through.

And “sillons” is furrows? Can’t we come up with a better word. (The gutters running with blood is a fine image!)

]]> By: queuno http://bycommonconsent.com/2008/07/27/patriotism-in-the-international-church/#comment-59264 queuno Wed, 30 Jul 2008 19:53:29 +0000 http://www.bycommonconsent.com/?p=4022#comment-59264 Also, ESPN the Magazine has a National Anthem quiz leading up the Olympics that might be interesting... http://sports.espn.go.com/espnmag/story?id=3511089 Also, ESPN the Magazine has a National Anthem quiz leading up the Olympics that might be interesting…

http://sports.espn.go.com/espnmag/story?id=3511089

]]> By: John Mansfield http://bycommonconsent.com/2008/07/27/patriotism-in-the-international-church/#comment-59263 John Mansfield Wed, 30 Jul 2008 19:19:56 +0000 http://www.bycommonconsent.com/?p=4022#comment-59263 What others call Americans is their business. I wish the anglicized forms of foreign city names didn't change every other decade. I was briefly baffled by a recent National Geographic mentioning some place called "Kolkata." What others call Americans is their business. I wish the anglicized forms of foreign city names didn’t change every other decade. I was briefly baffled by a recent National Geographic mentioning some place called “Kolkata.”

]]> By: queuno http://bycommonconsent.com/2008/07/27/patriotism-in-the-international-church/#comment-59262 queuno Wed, 30 Jul 2008 19:02:15 +0000 http://www.bycommonconsent.com/?p=4022#comment-59262 Mark - I think most American Hispanics (going all the way down to Tierra del Fuego) would be happy to let us have "estadounidense" if we'd stop using "americano" exclusively. Mark – I think most American Hispanics (going all the way down to Tierra del Fuego) would be happy to let us have “estadounidense” if we’d stop using “americano” exclusively.

]]> By: queuno http://bycommonconsent.com/2008/07/27/patriotism-in-the-international-church/#comment-59261 queuno Wed, 30 Jul 2008 19:00:40 +0000 http://www.bycommonconsent.com/?p=4022#comment-59261 By the way, Rick Reilly from ESPN offers his take on anthems, and gives love to the Brits: http://sports.espn.go.com/espnmag/story?id=3509848 By the way, Rick Reilly from ESPN offers his take on anthems, and gives love to the Brits:

http://sports.espn.go.com/espnmag/story?id=3509848

]]> By: Mark B. http://bycommonconsent.com/2008/07/27/patriotism-in-the-international-church/#comment-59260 Mark B. Wed, 30 Jul 2008 16:39:32 +0000 http://www.bycommonconsent.com/?p=4022#comment-59260 Problem is, queuno, that the nation to the south is "Estados Unidos de Mexico". So estadounidenses might be confusing. We could begin with the Spanish abbreviation, EEUU (don't ask me, I have no clue where it comes from) and call us "eeuus", which would match many non-Americans' feelings perfectly! Or we could turn to the Japanese for inspiration: Nobody there calls us Amerika Gasshukoku--instead it's "Beikoku" or Rice Country. How about "Ricelanders"? Problem is, queuno, that the nation to the south is “Estados Unidos de Mexico”. So estadounidenses might be confusing.

We could begin with the Spanish abbreviation, EEUU (don’t ask me, I have no clue where it comes from) and call us “eeuus”, which would match many non-Americans’ feelings perfectly!

Or we could turn to the Japanese for inspiration: Nobody there calls us Amerika Gasshukoku–instead it’s “Beikoku” or Rice Country. How about “Ricelanders”?

]]> By: queuno http://bycommonconsent.com/2008/07/27/patriotism-in-the-international-church/#comment-59259 queuno Wed, 30 Jul 2008 16:23:33 +0000 http://www.bycommonconsent.com/?p=4022#comment-59259 Ah, but in Spanish, you can have "americanos" and "estadounidenses". Ah, but in Spanish, you can have “americanos” and “estadounidenses”.

]]> By: Alison http://bycommonconsent.com/2008/07/27/patriotism-in-the-international-church/#comment-59258 Alison Tue, 29 Jul 2008 22:19:16 +0000 http://www.bycommonconsent.com/?p=4022#comment-59258 Ronan, I fear "Kingdominian" and "Tukogbanian" sound a little too Star Trek for me...I'll stick with Scottish! Ronan,

I fear “Kingdominian” and “Tukogbanian” sound a little too Star Trek for me…I’ll stick with Scottish!

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