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	<title>Comments on: My Standard Plan Tabernacle (1986)</title>
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		<title>By: Left Field</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2008/08/11/my-standard-plan-tabernacle-1986/#comment-95278</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Left Field]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Aug 2008 19:36:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I like this.  It avoids a lot of the issues that were noted with the other design.  It looks like the deacons&#039; room is somehow connected with the sacrament preparation area, as you had in the other plan.  The main criticisms that come to mind are that the YM/YW rooms look way bigger than they need to be (as you said, a reflection of the perspective of your age), having the primary classrooms open directly into the primary assembly room is not a good idea, and there are no rooms dedicated to the elders and high priests.  C1 and C2 might be big enough for the high priests, but the elders would have to either use the chapel or else open all the dividers in the upstairs classrooms.  Both of those options for the elders would seem like an ad hoc solution.  My main suggestion would be putting in another classroom large enough for the elders.  What is that above the chapel overflow?  A windowed cry room, perhaps?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like this.  It avoids a lot of the issues that were noted with the other design.  It looks like the deacons&#8217; room is somehow connected with the sacrament preparation area, as you had in the other plan.  The main criticisms that come to mind are that the YM/YW rooms look way bigger than they need to be (as you said, a reflection of the perspective of your age), having the primary classrooms open directly into the primary assembly room is not a good idea, and there are no rooms dedicated to the elders and high priests.  C1 and C2 might be big enough for the high priests, but the elders would have to either use the chapel or else open all the dividers in the upstairs classrooms.  Both of those options for the elders would seem like an ad hoc solution.  My main suggestion would be putting in another classroom large enough for the elders.  What is that above the chapel overflow?  A windowed cry room, perhaps?</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Barney</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kevin Barney]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Aug 2008 18:28:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Separating the YM and YW was an inspired design choice, John.  The YM may throw spit wads at you, but the YW will erect a statue in your honor.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Separating the YM and YW was an inspired design choice, John.  The YM may throw spit wads at you, but the YW will erect a statue in your honor.</p>
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		<title>By: John Hamer</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John Hamer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Aug 2008 16:37:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I was looking through some of my papers and I found another one.  I think this one is earlier, probably from 1985.  It&#039;s a one-ward meetinghouse rather than a Stake Center / Tabernacle and it&#039;s more temple-inspired than tabernacle-inspired.

&lt;img src=&quot;http://www.annuitech.com/ms/ftp/Jim/LDS_Chapel_1985.jpg&quot; alt=&quot;1985 Meetinghouse&quot; /&gt;

Some peculiarities include 4 upstairs classrooms (with no elevators / very non-ADA-ready).  Also, the young men and young women have their own side of the building.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was looking through some of my papers and I found another one.  I think this one is earlier, probably from 1985.  It&#8217;s a one-ward meetinghouse rather than a Stake Center / Tabernacle and it&#8217;s more temple-inspired than tabernacle-inspired.</p>
<p><img src="http://www.annuitech.com/ms/ftp/Jim/LDS_Chapel_1985.jpg" alt="1985 Meetinghouse" /></p>
<p>Some peculiarities include 4 upstairs classrooms (with no elevators / very non-ADA-ready).  Also, the young men and young women have their own side of the building.</p>
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		<title>By: Kourtney</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2008 00:19:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I too have tried to come up with new floor plans for the church on a few occassions, but have yet to come up with something as functional as the current design.

I can see the pro&#039;s and cons to the standard buildings the church builds now.  It is great when you are in a different city, for example, because you know which one is the LDS church without even looking for the sign.  Also, when you are visiting a different ward, everything is located in pretty much the same spot.  It adds to the unity of the church - the same floor plan, same lesson, same heirarchy as every other ward.  And i understand the need for the church to save money wherever possible.

On the downside, when you live here in the suburbs of Salt Lake and there are 10 buildings on one road that look exactly the same (and i mean down to the brick, carpeting, etc) it is not only drab and obnoxious but painfully difficult to know which building you are supposed to be at.  several times i have missed farewells, baby blessings, etc because i went to the wrong church and didn&#039;t figure that out until it was too late.  I for one would sure appreciate larger address numbers that can be seen well from the street.
I love that my building was built in the 70&#039;s &quot;H&quot; pattern.  We do have a little bit of natural light thanks to the floor to ceiling windows at the front of the chapel (we hold our satelite broadcasts in another, newer building in our stake) It might have a rust-orange color scheme and be made entirely of cinderblocks (we dont have velcro walls!), but at least it is a little unique and still extremely functional... with plenty of dead ends for catching the little ones.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I too have tried to come up with new floor plans for the church on a few occassions, but have yet to come up with something as functional as the current design.</p>
<p>I can see the pro&#8217;s and cons to the standard buildings the church builds now.  It is great when you are in a different city, for example, because you know which one is the LDS church without even looking for the sign.  Also, when you are visiting a different ward, everything is located in pretty much the same spot.  It adds to the unity of the church &#8211; the same floor plan, same lesson, same heirarchy as every other ward.  And i understand the need for the church to save money wherever possible.</p>
<p>On the downside, when you live here in the suburbs of Salt Lake and there are 10 buildings on one road that look exactly the same (and i mean down to the brick, carpeting, etc) it is not only drab and obnoxious but painfully difficult to know which building you are supposed to be at.  several times i have missed farewells, baby blessings, etc because i went to the wrong church and didn&#8217;t figure that out until it was too late.  I for one would sure appreciate larger address numbers that can be seen well from the street.<br />
I love that my building was built in the 70&#8242;s &#8220;H&#8221; pattern.  We do have a little bit of natural light thanks to the floor to ceiling windows at the front of the chapel (we hold our satelite broadcasts in another, newer building in our stake) It might have a rust-orange color scheme and be made entirely of cinderblocks (we dont have velcro walls!), but at least it is a little unique and still extremely functional&#8230; with plenty of dead ends for catching the little ones.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Aug 2008 18:53:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think beauty is dependent upon creativity and imagination, not great expense; and it need not be distracting. The sun room in the house I grew up in is not fancy, but it is most attractive and I have never found it difficult to concentrate on either dinner or conversation while there.

Clean lines, judicious use of color and texture, good lighting-these are the things from which an attractive building is derived. Properly used they can convey a sense of beauty without drawing attention to themselves. In this respect, architecture is like a woman&#039; make up. If it&#039;s done poorly, a man notices the eye shadow and lipstick. Done well, he sees remarkably attractive eyes and lips.

I might add that in this day and age, inviting one&#039;s neighbors and friends to church is usually more effective evangelism than knocking on doors. Hence, an attractive worship space might have some positive bearing on gaining a few converts. It&#039;s not going to replace caring and spirituality, but it might make visitors a bit more comfortable and at home, so they can concentrate on the message and not how unimaginative the building is or why they&#039;re sitting under a basketball hoop. (BTW, I LOVE basketball :-)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think beauty is dependent upon creativity and imagination, not great expense; and it need not be distracting. The sun room in the house I grew up in is not fancy, but it is most attractive and I have never found it difficult to concentrate on either dinner or conversation while there.</p>
<p>Clean lines, judicious use of color and texture, good lighting-these are the things from which an attractive building is derived. Properly used they can convey a sense of beauty without drawing attention to themselves. In this respect, architecture is like a woman&#8217; make up. If it&#8217;s done poorly, a man notices the eye shadow and lipstick. Done well, he sees remarkably attractive eyes and lips.</p>
<p>I might add that in this day and age, inviting one&#8217;s neighbors and friends to church is usually more effective evangelism than knocking on doors. Hence, an attractive worship space might have some positive bearing on gaining a few converts. It&#8217;s not going to replace caring and spirituality, but it might make visitors a bit more comfortable and at home, so they can concentrate on the message and not how unimaginative the building is or why they&#8217;re sitting under a basketball hoop. (BTW, I LOVE basketball :-)</p>
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		<title>By: Anita</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Aug 2008 06:16:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Since the chapels are built using the hard earned tithing monies that the members sacrifice to give, I think it&#039;s in keeping with God&#039;s purpose to have a place of worship that&#039;s funtional and yet uses funds prudently.  I also think it makes more sense to build MORE chapels than to build fewer more elaborate ones.

When I was a new convert to the church, I felt the same as my friend David who posted blog #54.  BORING and in a few cases, some of the older chapels seemed to me even &quot;tacky&quot; in their out dated mode.  It didn&#039;t take long for me to realize that what is missing in physical attractivness is more than made up for in spiritual fulfillment.

Now, when I go into houses of worship that are adorned, and are breathtakingly beautiful, I often see it as a distraction instead of an attraction.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since the chapels are built using the hard earned tithing monies that the members sacrifice to give, I think it&#8217;s in keeping with God&#8217;s purpose to have a place of worship that&#8217;s funtional and yet uses funds prudently.  I also think it makes more sense to build MORE chapels than to build fewer more elaborate ones.</p>
<p>When I was a new convert to the church, I felt the same as my friend David who posted blog #54.  BORING and in a few cases, some of the older chapels seemed to me even &#8220;tacky&#8221; in their out dated mode.  It didn&#8217;t take long for me to realize that what is missing in physical attractivness is more than made up for in spiritual fulfillment.</p>
<p>Now, when I go into houses of worship that are adorned, and are breathtakingly beautiful, I often see it as a distraction instead of an attraction.</p>
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		<title>By: David Stout</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David Stout]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Aug 2008 04:28:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I attended a Mormon chapel a couple of months ago with a Mormon friend. I very much enjoyed the people and the singing but I have to say the building was painfully functional. Given the color and pageantry of the LDS story and its cosmology, surely something a bit more architecturally interesting could be deemed appropriate, could it not? At the very least it might engage those who are more visually oriented. So here is one friendly &quot;Gentile&quot; thumbs up to your idea.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I attended a Mormon chapel a couple of months ago with a Mormon friend. I very much enjoyed the people and the singing but I have to say the building was painfully functional. Given the color and pageantry of the LDS story and its cosmology, surely something a bit more architecturally interesting could be deemed appropriate, could it not? At the very least it might engage those who are more visually oriented. So here is one friendly &#8220;Gentile&#8221; thumbs up to your idea.</p>
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		<title>By: JC</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 17:50:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think it would be great to have stained glass windows in our chapels.  I do however, remember as a child the bishop calling our family into his office each year and telling us that our family was expected to donate such-and-such amount of money to the building fund, in addition to our regular tithes and offerings.  We weren&#039;t well to do and had a lot of health expenses.  I can only imagine what the amount would have been if the chapel plans were more than a brick box.

The building I now attend was built by the members in the early 1970s.  Many of the members are still here and can point out what they helped with.

The small temples may not be breathtaking, but the insides really are lovely.  Not having to travel thousands of miles to the nearest temple more than makes up for the size.  I believe that blessing the people of the world is more important than stained glass windows.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it would be great to have stained glass windows in our chapels.  I do however, remember as a child the bishop calling our family into his office each year and telling us that our family was expected to donate such-and-such amount of money to the building fund, in addition to our regular tithes and offerings.  We weren&#8217;t well to do and had a lot of health expenses.  I can only imagine what the amount would have been if the chapel plans were more than a brick box.</p>
<p>The building I now attend was built by the members in the early 1970s.  Many of the members are still here and can point out what they helped with.</p>
<p>The small temples may not be breathtaking, but the insides really are lovely.  Not having to travel thousands of miles to the nearest temple more than makes up for the size.  I believe that blessing the people of the world is more important than stained glass windows.</p>
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		<title>By: Paula</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Paula]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 21:38:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Another thought-- a real pipe organ, with someone in each ward who&#039;s able to play it. I&#039;ve been in a few wards that had one, but they&#039;re getting very rare.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another thought&#8211; a real pipe organ, with someone in each ward who&#8217;s able to play it. I&#8217;ve been in a few wards that had one, but they&#8217;re getting very rare.</p>
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		<title>By: Researcher</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Researcher]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 20:56:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think if it&#039;s labeled M or W it&#039;s a bathroom.

List of wants in church buildings:

Forget natural light. I would like a building without a hallway that goes clear around the building like a track. That is a nightmare for parents with small children. There needs to be a dead end, like in the plan above.

More bathrooms and a nice mother&#039;s nursing lounge.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think if it&#8217;s labeled M or W it&#8217;s a bathroom.</p>
<p>List of wants in church buildings:</p>
<p>Forget natural light. I would like a building without a hallway that goes clear around the building like a track. That is a nightmare for parents with small children. There needs to be a dead end, like in the plan above.</p>
<p>More bathrooms and a nice mother&#8217;s nursing lounge.</p>
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