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	<title>Comments on: Mormons in the Next Congress, Part II</title>
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		<title>By: Bob King</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2008/09/21/mormons-in-the-next-congress-part-ii/#comment-88848</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bob King]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 22:31:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;strong&gt;Polling Update&lt;/strong&gt;

Several recent polls have shown Republican Senator Gordon Smith&#039;s race in Oregon getting closer, while Tom Udall in New Mexico and his non-Mormon cousin Mark Udall in Colorado are opening up a wider gap over their opponents.  Here are results as of September 23 from &lt;a href=&quot;http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/polltracker/2008/09/eye-on-the-senate-latest-round-6.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;CQPolitics.com.&lt;/a&gt;  [Congressional Quarterly is a respected non-partisan media organization that follows Congress.]

&lt;strong&gt;Senator Gordon Smith - Oregon&lt;/strong&gt;  -- Smith  is in a statistical dead heat with his Democratic challenger Jeff Merkley, the Speaker of the state House, leading him 46 percent to 45 percent with 2 percent choosing &quot;other&quot; and 7 percent undecided in a poll completed September 15.

&lt;strong&gt;Congressman Tom Udall - New Mexico Senate Race&lt;/strong&gt; -- Udall is leading his Republican opponent Congressman Steven Pearce by 57 percent to 37 percent with 6 percent undecided in a poll completed September 19.

&lt;strong&gt;Congressman Mark Udall - Colorado Senate Race&lt;/strong&gt;  Mark Udall of the Arizona Mormon political dynasty, who himself is not a Church member, leads his Republican opponent former Congressman Bob Schaffer by 48 percent to 40 percent with 1 percent &quot;other&quot; and 11 percent undecided in a poll completed September 21.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Polling Update</strong></p>
<p>Several recent polls have shown Republican Senator Gordon Smith&#8217;s race in Oregon getting closer, while Tom Udall in New Mexico and his non-Mormon cousin Mark Udall in Colorado are opening up a wider gap over their opponents.  Here are results as of September 23 from <a href="http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/polltracker/2008/09/eye-on-the-senate-latest-round-6.html" rel="nofollow">CQPolitics.com.</a>  [Congressional Quarterly is a respected non-partisan media organization that follows Congress.]</p>
<p><strong>Senator Gordon Smith &#8211; Oregon</strong>  &#8212; Smith  is in a statistical dead heat with his Democratic challenger Jeff Merkley, the Speaker of the state House, leading him 46 percent to 45 percent with 2 percent choosing &#8220;other&#8221; and 7 percent undecided in a poll completed September 15.</p>
<p><strong>Congressman Tom Udall &#8211; New Mexico Senate Race</strong> &#8212; Udall is leading his Republican opponent Congressman Steven Pearce by 57 percent to 37 percent with 6 percent undecided in a poll completed September 19.</p>
<p><strong>Congressman Mark Udall &#8211; Colorado Senate Race</strong>  Mark Udall of the Arizona Mormon political dynasty, who himself is not a Church member, leads his Republican opponent former Congressman Bob Schaffer by 48 percent to 40 percent with 1 percent &#8220;other&#8221; and 11 percent undecided in a poll completed September 21.</p>
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		<title>By: Ogan</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2008/09/21/mormons-in-the-next-congress-part-ii/#comment-88847</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ogan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 21:33:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[After 30 years of voting in New Mexico I have never heard of or witnessed anyones religion being an issue.  How many generations your family has lived in the State will occasionaly come up.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After 30 years of voting in New Mexico I have never heard of or witnessed anyones religion being an issue.  How many generations your family has lived in the State will occasionaly come up.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob King</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2008/09/21/mormons-in-the-next-congress-part-ii/#comment-88846</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bob King]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 04:22:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[RE: John Mansfield - Comment #4 above

&quot;With the analysis of Gordon Smith’s race, Mr. King identified some areas where Senator Smith’s religion has come up. Is it a factor at all for Tom Udall, particularly since Mr. Udall does not participate with the Mormon church?&quot;

In my discussion of Gordon Smith&#039;s senate reelection campaign I mentioned the incident when Senator Smith talked about his Mormon background.  That was a rare instance of when the Church was raised in a campaign outside Utah or southeastern Idaho.  In following Tom Udall&#039;s campaign, I haven&#039;t encountered any occasions when his Mormon background has come up.  I think it has nothing to do with his level of church activity and more to do with the fact that church membership isn&#039;t a political issue.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RE: John Mansfield &#8211; Comment #4 above</p>
<p>&#8220;With the analysis of Gordon Smith’s race, Mr. King identified some areas where Senator Smith’s religion has come up. Is it a factor at all for Tom Udall, particularly since Mr. Udall does not participate with the Mormon church?&#8221;</p>
<p>In my discussion of Gordon Smith&#8217;s senate reelection campaign I mentioned the incident when Senator Smith talked about his Mormon background.  That was a rare instance of when the Church was raised in a campaign outside Utah or southeastern Idaho.  In following Tom Udall&#8217;s campaign, I haven&#8217;t encountered any occasions when his Mormon background has come up.  I think it has nothing to do with his level of church activity and more to do with the fact that church membership isn&#8217;t a political issue.</p>
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		<title>By: Cicero</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2008/09/21/mormons-in-the-next-congress-part-ii/#comment-88845</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Cicero]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 02:06:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[CAW,

Remember that the political parties did not used to be so ideologically pure.

Both the Republicans and Democrats had conservative and liberal wings.

And of course how can we forget the legendary division of the wards between Democrat and Republican at the time of statehood.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CAW,</p>
<p>Remember that the political parties did not used to be so ideologically pure.</p>
<p>Both the Republicans and Democrats had conservative and liberal wings.</p>
<p>And of course how can we forget the legendary division of the wards between Democrat and Republican at the time of statehood.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob King</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2008/09/21/mormons-in-the-next-congress-part-ii/#comment-88844</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bob King]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 23:10:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Chris Cannon (R-Utah) 3rd Congressional District.  That will be discussed in Part III -- Stay tuned!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris Cannon (R-Utah) 3rd Congressional District.  That will be discussed in Part III &#8212; Stay tuned!</p>
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		<title>By: Ann</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2008/09/21/mormons-in-the-next-congress-part-ii/#comment-88843</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ann]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 21:52:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In your first article you mentioned a LDS member of Congress who lost his party&#039;s primary.  Who is that?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In your first article you mentioned a LDS member of Congress who lost his party&#8217;s primary.  Who is that?</p>
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		<title>By: Bob King</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2008/09/21/mormons-in-the-next-congress-part-ii/#comment-88842</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bob King]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 21:00:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There seems to be a double standard when it comes to deciding whether a public figure is a member of the Church or not.

On the one hand, when we are counting Church membership for statistical purposes, we include any baptized member of the Church, who has not requested that his or her name be removed or whose name has not been removed for disciplinary reasons.  The standard is not high -- no requirement about Sacrament Meeting attendance, no requirement for a current temple recommend, no requirement for an address.

On the other hand when we are looking at political figures, we want to say that this or that political leader does not have the same political views as I (a Church member) do, and therefore, he or she can&#039;t be a member of the Church.  And that -- not Sacrament Meeting attendance or holding a temple recommend -- is the basis for most people&#039;s judgment about whether to consider a political leader a Church member.

By the Church&#039;s definition and by his own definition, Congressman Mo Udall (D-Arizona 1961-1991) was LDS.  He frequently referred to himself as &quot;a one-eyed Mormon Democrat from conservative Arizona, and you can&#039;t have a higher handicap that that.&quot;  He expressed opposition to for the Church policy toward Africans before it was changed in 1978, but he still considered himself a Mormon.  The New York Times obituary of Mo Udall does an excellent job of looking at the Mormon facets of Udall&#039;s life.  (&lt;a href=&quot;http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9E03E7DC173DF937A25751C1A96E958260&amp;sec=&amp;spon=&amp;pagewanted=all&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&quot;Morris K. Udall, Fiercely Liberal Congressman, Dies at 76,&quot; New York Times, December 14, 1998.&lt;/a&gt;)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There seems to be a double standard when it comes to deciding whether a public figure is a member of the Church or not.</p>
<p>On the one hand, when we are counting Church membership for statistical purposes, we include any baptized member of the Church, who has not requested that his or her name be removed or whose name has not been removed for disciplinary reasons.  The standard is not high &#8212; no requirement about Sacrament Meeting attendance, no requirement for a current temple recommend, no requirement for an address.</p>
<p>On the other hand when we are looking at political figures, we want to say that this or that political leader does not have the same political views as I (a Church member) do, and therefore, he or she can&#8217;t be a member of the Church.  And that &#8212; not Sacrament Meeting attendance or holding a temple recommend &#8212; is the basis for most people&#8217;s judgment about whether to consider a political leader a Church member.</p>
<p>By the Church&#8217;s definition and by his own definition, Congressman Mo Udall (D-Arizona 1961-1991) was LDS.  He frequently referred to himself as &#8220;a one-eyed Mormon Democrat from conservative Arizona, and you can&#8217;t have a higher handicap that that.&#8221;  He expressed opposition to for the Church policy toward Africans before it was changed in 1978, but he still considered himself a Mormon.  The New York Times obituary of Mo Udall does an excellent job of looking at the Mormon facets of Udall&#8217;s life.  (<a href="http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9E03E7DC173DF937A25751C1A96E958260&amp;sec=&amp;spon=&amp;pagewanted=all" rel="nofollow">&#8220;Morris K. Udall, Fiercely Liberal Congressman, Dies at 76,&#8221; New York Times, December 14, 1998.</a>)</p>
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		<title>By: Kristine</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kristine]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 20:14:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ogan, I&#039;m a little squirmy about information you glean from membership directories being broadcast here.  We can have the conversation about his activity level (if we really have to--does it matter?) based on public statements.  Thanks.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ogan, I&#8217;m a little squirmy about information you glean from membership directories being broadcast here.  We can have the conversation about his activity level (if we really have to&#8211;does it matter?) based on public statements.  Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: CAW</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[CAW]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 19:41:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I remember once meeting a member of the Udall family and asked him about the political heritage in his family.  I remember him saying something about his ancestor (don&#039;t remember which generation back) deciding to start a political dynasty and dividing up the family between Democrats and Republicans -- like telling children, &quot;you&#039;re the Democrats&quot; and others, &quot;you&#039;re the Republicans.&quot;  He felt like his family could make more of a difference if they had both bases covered.  I remember thinking it was savvy, but kind of wierd, like they weren&#039;t allowed to make their own principled decisions about which party to join.  Did you come across anything about that story in the family history?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I remember once meeting a member of the Udall family and asked him about the political heritage in his family.  I remember him saying something about his ancestor (don&#8217;t remember which generation back) deciding to start a political dynasty and dividing up the family between Democrats and Republicans &#8212; like telling children, &#8220;you&#8217;re the Democrats&#8221; and others, &#8220;you&#8217;re the Republicans.&#8221;  He felt like his family could make more of a difference if they had both bases covered.  I remember thinking it was savvy, but kind of wierd, like they weren&#8217;t allowed to make their own principled decisions about which party to join.  Did you come across anything about that story in the family history?</p>
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		<title>By: Ogan</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2008/09/21/mormons-in-the-next-congress-part-ii/#comment-88839</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ogan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 19:22:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am a member of the Santa Fe Ward (The only ward in the City), Tom Udall is on our membership roles but is inactive.  He is married to Jill Z. Cooper who is not a member of the LDS Church.

I to am a dreaded Mormon Democrat. Tom was a good State Attorney General and is a very dependable trustworthy Congressman.  He will make a great Senator.  His religion active or inactive does not play a role here in New Mexico, nor should it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a member of the Santa Fe Ward (The only ward in the City), Tom Udall is on our membership roles but is inactive.  He is married to Jill Z. Cooper who is not a member of the LDS Church.</p>
<p>I to am a dreaded Mormon Democrat. Tom was a good State Attorney General and is a very dependable trustworthy Congressman.  He will make a great Senator.  His religion active or inactive does not play a role here in New Mexico, nor should it.</p>
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