Comments on: Whoa. http://bycommonconsent.com/2008/09/23/whoa/ A Mormon Blog Fri, 01 Jun 2012 20:55:46 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.com/ By: Patricia Lahtinen http://bycommonconsent.com/2008/09/23/whoa/#comment-44304 Tue, 30 Sep 2008 07:03:31 +0000 http://www.bycommonconsent.com/?p=4183#comment-44304 #77 et al:

Good luck finding a pharmacist who will fill your Plan B prescription…

]]> By: Melinda http://bycommonconsent.com/2008/09/23/whoa/#comment-44303 Mon, 29 Sep 2008 15:34:11 +0000 http://www.bycommonconsent.com/?p=4183#comment-44303 #115: The key phrase here is “who gets a chance to live”. Capital punishment and war are separate issues because we are dealing with people who have already had the chance to live and have chosen to perpetrate evil upon others.

Contraception is a bit more complex. Although, in such instances, we are attempting to prevent a life from being created, therefore the only lives being affected are the two individuals involved. However, once a life has been created (whether by failure of contraception or on purpose, it does not matter), there is now another individual with a chance to live and we don’t have the right to stop it. Just my opinion, anyway.

BTW–I am a mother of 5 beautiful lives–three of whom were the tremendous blessings of failed contraception. :)

]]> By: MCQ http://bycommonconsent.com/2008/09/23/whoa/#comment-44302 Sat, 27 Sep 2008 05:45:21 +0000 http://www.bycommonconsent.com/?p=4183#comment-44302

Who are we to take upon ourselves the authority of God to determine who gets a chance to live and who does not?

That’s possibly the worst argument against abortion I have ever heard. Based on that, why isn’t it taking upon ourselves the authority of God when we practice contraception? What about capital punishment? What about war? Apparently, taking upon ourselves the authority of God is only wrong sometimes.

]]> By: Costanza http://bycommonconsent.com/2008/09/23/whoa/#comment-44301 Sat, 27 Sep 2008 04:19:01 +0000 http://www.bycommonconsent.com/?p=4183#comment-44301 Melinda,
One problem with your argument is that the church does allow for the possibility of abortions to be acceptable under certain conditions. I assume that this is why you have put the word “chosen” in caps–to emphasize that in cases of rape or (presumably, but not necessarily) incest, the choice isn’t operative. However, the second part of your agrument obtains without regard to the circumstances of conception. Whether intercourse was consensual or coerced, once pregnancy occurs, “there is now the possibility for a new life to begin” etc. So, in fact, even your own comments suggest the moral complexity both of this issue broadly defined and the church’s position on it.

]]> By: Steve Evans http://bycommonconsent.com/2008/09/23/whoa/#comment-44300 Sat, 27 Sep 2008 01:02:22 +0000 http://www.bycommonconsent.com/?p=4183#comment-44300 okey-dokey! Thanks for your thoughts melinda.

]]> By: Melinda http://bycommonconsent.com/2008/09/23/whoa/#comment-44299 Sat, 27 Sep 2008 00:23:50 +0000 http://www.bycommonconsent.com/?p=4183#comment-44299 Maybe my comment was a bit too harsh. I just find it astounding when I hear Latter-Day Saints debating the finite details of abortion. As if the matter would finally be settled if God would just reveal the exact moment when life begins. He has! I just quoted Him (although off the top of my head, which apparently was a mistake–I just figured this group would not need a reference for such a basic, fundamental doctrine).

Just as we (meaning members of The Church, under the guidance of a living prophet) do not condone the practice of euthenasia for the terminally ill because we believe it is wrong to confer the power to end life upon doctors; it is the same principle with abortion. Just because the Supreme Court of the United States decreed it legal does not make it legal in God’s court.

To me, this means that the question of when life begins is moot. Once a man and a woman have CHOSEN (and that’s the key, here) to commit the act of creating life, whether intentionally or not–it is the only means by which life can be created–they are bound to the consequences of that choice. There is now the possibility for a new life to begin; a life which should be respected and given it’s agency to choose as well. Who are we to take upon ourselves the authority of God to determine who gets a chance to live and who does not?

]]> By: Steve Evans http://bycommonconsent.com/2008/09/23/whoa/#comment-44298 Sat, 27 Sep 2008 00:08:18 +0000 http://www.bycommonconsent.com/?p=4183#comment-44298 Sure, you can use the D&C — but don’t pretend that Moses came down and the Ten Commandments said “Kill or anything like unto it.”

]]> By: Steve Evans http://bycommonconsent.com/2008/09/23/whoa/#comment-44297 Sat, 27 Sep 2008 00:07:30 +0000 http://www.bycommonconsent.com/?p=4183#comment-44297 Melinda, read the comments. You’ll see that very little of what is being discussed has to do with the issue of when life begins.

]]> By: Melinda http://bycommonconsent.com/2008/09/23/whoa/#comment-44296 Sat, 27 Sep 2008 00:06:52 +0000 http://www.bycommonconsent.com/?p=4183#comment-44296 Are we not allowed to use the D&C here?

]]> By: Melinda http://bycommonconsent.com/2008/09/23/whoa/#comment-44295 Sat, 27 Sep 2008 00:03:55 +0000 http://www.bycommonconsent.com/?p=4183#comment-44295 Okay, then. What is the debate about?

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