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	<title>Comments on: &#8220;White on the outside; white on the inside&#8221;</title>
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		<title>By: MCQ</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2008/10/13/white-on-the-outside-white-on-the-inside/#comment-108276</link>
		<dc:creator>MCQ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Oct 2008 06:42:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, and the reason to take the card out of the bookstore is that it&#039;s not just some guy&#039;s bookstore, it&#039;s at a bookstore owned and operated by the Church, meaning that it&#039;s presence makes members of the Church look like a bunch of racist rubes.  It seems to me that Brother Joseph&#039;s idea of &quot;teaching correct principles&quot; might have included a lesson in not offending people we are suppossed to love as brothers and sisters.  In other words, he would have tossed the card out forthwith.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, and the reason to take the card out of the bookstore is that it&#8217;s not just some guy&#8217;s bookstore, it&#8217;s at a bookstore owned and operated by the Church, meaning that it&#8217;s presence makes members of the Church look like a bunch of racist rubes.  It seems to me that Brother Joseph&#8217;s idea of &#8220;teaching correct principles&#8221; might have included a lesson in not offending people we are suppossed to love as brothers and sisters.  In other words, he would have tossed the card out forthwith.</p>
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		<title>By: MCQ</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2008/10/13/white-on-the-outside-white-on-the-inside/#comment-108275</link>
		<dc:creator>MCQ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Oct 2008 06:38:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I don’t even live in the same universe as the mentality which “thinks” that way.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

If only that were true.

The statement you find so ridiculous is actually a very standard POV taken in literary criticism.  It&#039;s touchstone is that words actually mean things independent of what the author wants or intends them to mean.

Quite apart from literary criticism, however, the idea that &quot;You don&#039;t get to define your own words&quot; is as close and as obvious as a dictionary (although it appears you don&#039;t have easy access to one) the purpose of which is to define the words you use.

So, the answer to your question is: No.  You most certainly do not get to define your own words (presuming of course that you are using words from an accepted form of communication like, say, English).  Those words have already been defined for you by Mr. Webster, among others, and I trust him to have done a more thourough job than you.  Seriously.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I don’t even live in the same universe as the mentality which “thinks” that way.</p></blockquote>
<p>If only that were true.</p>
<p>The statement you find so ridiculous is actually a very standard POV taken in literary criticism.  It&#8217;s touchstone is that words actually mean things independent of what the author wants or intends them to mean.</p>
<p>Quite apart from literary criticism, however, the idea that &#8220;You don&#8217;t get to define your own words&#8221; is as close and as obvious as a dictionary (although it appears you don&#8217;t have easy access to one) the purpose of which is to define the words you use.</p>
<p>So, the answer to your question is: No.  You most certainly do not get to define your own words (presuming of course that you are using words from an accepted form of communication like, say, English).  Those words have already been defined for you by Mr. Webster, among others, and I trust him to have done a more thourough job than you.  Seriously.</p>
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		<title>By: the mirror</title>
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		<dc:creator>the mirror</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Oct 2008 04:39:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I’ve seen a lot of wise things on this site, and alot of not-so-wise. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

That might be the best self-description in any comment I&#039;ve seen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I’ve seen a lot of wise things on this site, and alot of not-so-wise. </p></blockquote>
<p>That might be the best self-description in any comment I&#8217;ve seen.</p>
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		<title>By: SD</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2008/10/13/white-on-the-outside-white-on-the-inside/#comment-108273</link>
		<dc:creator>SD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Oct 2008 04:33:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes it&#039;s a stupid card. I&#039;ve seen a lot of wise things on this site, and alot of not-so-wise. &quot;&lt;em&gt;Any author gives up the right to define what he/she meant as soon as the text is published&lt;/em&gt;&quot; has got to be one of the most utterly asinine statements ever posted. I don&#039;t get to define my own words? You don&#039;t? Seriously? I don&#039;t even live in the same universe as the mentality which &quot;thinks&quot; that way.

Why is it that leftists are so hell-bent on censoring those things they find offensive? If you don&#039;t like the card, don&#039;t buy it. It&#039;s that simple. By what right do you deny another the chance to buy a card that they may not find offensive?

J.S. said that he taught the Saints correct principles and they governed themselves. As I understand it, his point was that he did not simply dictate people&#039;s behavior for them. Perhaps you could learn from that.

sd</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes it&#8217;s a stupid card. I&#8217;ve seen a lot of wise things on this site, and alot of not-so-wise. &#8220;<em>Any author gives up the right to define what he/she meant as soon as the text is published</em>&#8221; has got to be one of the most utterly asinine statements ever posted. I don&#8217;t get to define my own words? You don&#8217;t? Seriously? I don&#8217;t even live in the same universe as the mentality which &#8220;thinks&#8221; that way.</p>
<p>Why is it that leftists are so hell-bent on censoring those things they find offensive? If you don&#8217;t like the card, don&#8217;t buy it. It&#8217;s that simple. By what right do you deny another the chance to buy a card that they may not find offensive?</p>
<p>J.S. said that he taught the Saints correct principles and they governed themselves. As I understand it, his point was that he did not simply dictate people&#8217;s behavior for them. Perhaps you could learn from that.</p>
<p>sd</p>
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		<title>By: Adam Greenwood</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2008/10/13/white-on-the-outside-white-on-the-inside/#comment-108272</link>
		<dc:creator>Adam Greenwood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Oct 2008 16:29:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Or, if you do buy it, ask for a discount.

All cards that structuralize the hegemonic discourse of race, 5% off!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Or, if you do buy it, ask for a discount.</p>
<p>All cards that structuralize the hegemonic discourse of race, 5% off!</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2008/10/13/white-on-the-outside-white-on-the-inside/#comment-108271</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Oct 2008 04:49:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wowzers, is this what academics do for a good time?  203 posts about a silly card.  How bout you don&#039;t buy it (contrary to sensational reports, capitalism really works). With all this thinking going on I&#039;d a thought the world&#039;s problems would have been solved buy now and we&#039;d be ringing in the day of peace -- if we&#039;d think about something significant.  Perhaps this is why the quality of &quot;books&quot; is tanking -- the authors are all chasing blog posts and the boogie man. I guess we now get into authorial intent again.  What is this guy really trying to say?  How about the name of this blog -- &quot;By Common Consent?&quot;  I can&#039;t believe someone would have the nerve to publish such a title -- in today&#039;s world.  Didn&#039;t that go through some vogue committee?  Didn&#039;t someone consider the obvious misinterpretations -- or was it done on purpose?  We must put an end to such offenses. Who has authority to stop this nonsense?  I think I&#039;ll contact the Trib.  O.K., I&#039;ll Put the paint brush away.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wowzers, is this what academics do for a good time?  203 posts about a silly card.  How bout you don&#8217;t buy it (contrary to sensational reports, capitalism really works). With all this thinking going on I&#8217;d a thought the world&#8217;s problems would have been solved buy now and we&#8217;d be ringing in the day of peace &#8212; if we&#8217;d think about something significant.  Perhaps this is why the quality of &#8220;books&#8221; is tanking &#8212; the authors are all chasing blog posts and the boogie man. I guess we now get into authorial intent again.  What is this guy really trying to say?  How about the name of this blog &#8212; &#8220;By Common Consent?&#8221;  I can&#8217;t believe someone would have the nerve to publish such a title &#8212; in today&#8217;s world.  Didn&#8217;t that go through some vogue committee?  Didn&#8217;t someone consider the obvious misinterpretations &#8212; or was it done on purpose?  We must put an end to such offenses. Who has authority to stop this nonsense?  I think I&#8217;ll contact the Trib.  O.K., I&#8217;ll Put the paint brush away.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam Greenwood</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2008/10/13/white-on-the-outside-white-on-the-inside/#comment-108270</link>
		<dc:creator>Adam Greenwood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Oct 2008 15:45:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>GST, I reassure you of your moral superiority.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GST, I reassure you of your moral superiority.</p>
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		<title>By: gst</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2008/10/13/white-on-the-outside-white-on-the-inside/#comment-108269</link>
		<dc:creator>gst</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Oct 2008 00:23:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;You know, I’m not worried about myself here. I’ve been around, ya know? If it comes to it, I can muster up enough racial resume bona fides to assure most people I’m one of the good guys. I’m worried about my dad–a kind, loving person who has good will towards everyone he meets. But I can very easily imagine him saying the wrong thing. Because he didn’t know any better–he hasn’t been around. And if you explained it to him he might not get it at first. It might be a completely new concept. And depending on who he is speaking with and how big the crowd that gathers around to watch grows he could find himself in the middle of a shit storm that he didn’t see coming and he doesn’t know how to get out of. I worry about that.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Sounds like your dad is like Barack O&#039;bama&#039;s grandmother--you know, a &quot;typical white person.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>You know, I’m not worried about myself here. I’ve been around, ya know? If it comes to it, I can muster up enough racial resume bona fides to assure most people I’m one of the good guys. I’m worried about my dad–a kind, loving person who has good will towards everyone he meets. But I can very easily imagine him saying the wrong thing. Because he didn’t know any better–he hasn’t been around. And if you explained it to him he might not get it at first. It might be a completely new concept. And depending on who he is speaking with and how big the crowd that gathers around to watch grows he could find himself in the middle of a shit storm that he didn’t see coming and he doesn’t know how to get out of. I worry about that.</p></blockquote>
<p>Sounds like your dad is like Barack O&#8217;bama&#8217;s grandmother&#8211;you know, a &#8220;typical white person.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: CS Eric</title>
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		<dc:creator>CS Eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 21:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some times we can feel like we aren&#039;t &quot;racist&quot; (whatever that means) because of our experience living in different parts of the world, or even of the US.

For example, when I was on my mission in Korea, I am pretty sure that there were weeks or even months where I was the only blond, blue-eyed, white person within several miles of any direction.  I know that I stuck out in a crowd.  But I didn&#039;t notice it so much because I couldn&#039;t see that contrast from where I was.  Every where I looked, I saw people with black hair and skin darker than mine.  Looking out from my eyes, everyone around me looked similar, and since I couldn&#039;t see myself, I didn&#039;t feel that different.  I had no context otherwise.  You can be sure that people around me saw that difference, though.

I suspect that part of why I didn&#039;t feel so conspicuous was that I was also a dumb 19-21-year-old who was secure in some status as an American in what was at the time mostly a 3rd world country.

For several years we lived in southern New Mexico, near Las Cruces and El Paso, Texas, both border towns.  Since many of the people there also had the black hair and darker skin than mine, I still felt like I fit in better than I probably did, because as I looked around and saw mostly people with darker hair and skin than mine, I was seeing what I was used to seeing.  Does that mean that I was/am not racist?  I suspect it is more likely that I did not experience any racism directed toward me, than that I don&#039;t have racially tinged thoughts and ideas.  I say that because I had a black friend who worked in my office who got pulled over by the police at a rate of nearly once a month solely for the offense of &quot;DWB&quot;--Driving While Black.  I have never been pulled over for&quot;DWW&quot;, driving while white.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some times we can feel like we aren&#8217;t &#8220;racist&#8221; (whatever that means) because of our experience living in different parts of the world, or even of the US.</p>
<p>For example, when I was on my mission in Korea, I am pretty sure that there were weeks or even months where I was the only blond, blue-eyed, white person within several miles of any direction.  I know that I stuck out in a crowd.  But I didn&#8217;t notice it so much because I couldn&#8217;t see that contrast from where I was.  Every where I looked, I saw people with black hair and skin darker than mine.  Looking out from my eyes, everyone around me looked similar, and since I couldn&#8217;t see myself, I didn&#8217;t feel that different.  I had no context otherwise.  You can be sure that people around me saw that difference, though.</p>
<p>I suspect that part of why I didn&#8217;t feel so conspicuous was that I was also a dumb 19-21-year-old who was secure in some status as an American in what was at the time mostly a 3rd world country.</p>
<p>For several years we lived in southern New Mexico, near Las Cruces and El Paso, Texas, both border towns.  Since many of the people there also had the black hair and darker skin than mine, I still felt like I fit in better than I probably did, because as I looked around and saw mostly people with darker hair and skin than mine, I was seeing what I was used to seeing.  Does that mean that I was/am not racist?  I suspect it is more likely that I did not experience any racism directed toward me, than that I don&#8217;t have racially tinged thoughts and ideas.  I say that because I had a black friend who worked in my office who got pulled over by the police at a rate of nearly once a month solely for the offense of &#8220;DWB&#8221;&#8211;Driving While Black.  I have never been pulled over for&#8221;DWW&#8221;, driving while white.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Evans</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2008/10/13/white-on-the-outside-white-on-the-inside/#comment-108267</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Evans</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 20:27:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mat, how about heartless sinner?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mat, how about heartless sinner?</p>
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